Choosing Seacrest Green as Woodfield would help me very much reconcile this picture of the remains of #301 taken inside the Alco museum since I did have a real problem there earlier on matching it up with the Singer green...

IIRC, National Lead sold their paint lines to Sherwin Williams in the early ‘70s so that’s another avenue for potential research. I don’t know if the old Acme and SW colors can be cross referenced. Acme lives on as a SW brand of acrylic enamel automotive finishes.

I was just popping back on to post this, Eric. LOL

https://www.company-histories.com/NL-In ... story.html

National Lead actually started in Philadelphia and Dutch Boy was one of their paint brands as well.

I'll edit in a picture here once I find one. Have to stay consistent, you know. Now wait, how about a potential alternative example of Monon gold? The newest boxes aren't quite the same but the old ones were all fleet colors including that dastardly 1317 Green again. The gold in question would be the main background color...

Scans seem to work well for finding the varying shades of the same hue. The new El Rey box matches MS 11556 pretty well so I would think the old color may have been 11557 instead of 8645.

Tilt your computer screens up and down and watch what happens... LOL

Here's the chip scan for the Deepwater Green the Rochester & Genesee Valley museum used on their Penn Central transfer caboose...

http://www.rgvrrm.org/penn-central-deepwater-green/

I erred again earlier when I said I thought 93-74110 might be the darker Singer/Seven-Up green. LOL If you go by Railfont's listed Ditzler/PPG code of 43836 for Deepwater Green on PaintRef, it comes back as 74110...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetai ... zler=43836

I can get the chip from PaintRef's 1969 DuPont fleet chart to match up more closely with my scan of the Martin Senour chip if I play with it a little bit. This is what my computer screen might start to look like when I'm dicking around with too many colors at once. Two or three simultaneous color matches from identical sources are great if you can pull them off...

Yard pics are always good for helping develop a sense of how the different railroads' colors generally relate to one another like this one taken at Allentown. The afternoon HB trains almost always had coal on the head end...

As long as both chips are manipulated in exactly the same fashion colorwise...

Holy crap, what did Eric say about further research again? LOL Looks like this thread may make it through 2021 and perhaps even beyond. I guess we all know how to conjure up Venetian Yellow now or something pretty close to it. Happy New Year, everyone!!!...

Before I get started on my pork and kraut this morning, I just wanted to clarify the Acme GMC chip I posted above is from 1940 while the DuPont Buick chip precedes it by ten years. I just stuck it in there for the formula.

TCP Global has the old Ditzler Intermix "IM"-code sheets posted on their Auto Color Library site now. You can go through all of these and actually look for the colors by name. Once I have a little more time...

https://www.autocolorlibrary.com/pages/ ... -im-colors

So here are the Ditz-Lac Intermix and later Ditzler/PPG five-digit code numbers for Venetian Yellow also. No one of sound mind and body should ever have to screw this color up from here on in and that includes all y'all perfeshinals!!! LOL

I seem to be pretty adept at futzing up the shading, myself. LOL For instance, the olive oil label, while being a golden hue, actually comes in far closer to CNW's Traditional Yellow than Grande Gold II. I guess that's what happens when you view the world through smoky gray-colored, polarized safety glasses half the time. I might have to check out that Hellmann's label just for fun...

This pic of #6300 and #7600 together illustrates the difference between the Alco/GE and EMD paint jobs. While Alco and GE dropped the lower green band behind the cab, EMD ran it at the same level all the way down and around the long hood like that of the GP-30 demonstrators from which the Reading's original 1962 livery was derived...

I'll bet you guys thought I was going after the yellow including me but when you break out the Hellmann's, you break out the Export Blue... LOL

LOL First, it was pale imitation gold and then Bachman Yellow and Dodge Truck Brite Yellow. Next, it was Lackawanna Yellow, Reading Traditional Yellow, and later, Kraft Yellow.

Now, it's just bloomin' Jonquil...

My lovely wife brought home a bag of Thin'n Rights today. Just in case anyone's curious, the current Bachman main packaging color is John Deere Yellow...

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail ... zler=82009

Like any other pretzel, they're best after you leave them sit out for awhile.

Anyway, after looking through some of those old Acme sheets, I came up with a brand new theory concerning the origin of Aspen/Grande Gold II so now I have more chips in the mail. LOL Still waiting for the others.

Perhaps soon we'll finally have some good alternative examples of that color...