That Vermilion I mentioned to Eric back in the single-digit pages of this thread is also the PRR's Toluidine Red...

Early Ford reds are a little messy so we'll see how well that holds up. LOL

WE5868 is the bright red on the old Shell gas pump I posted on the very first page of this thread. The Ditzler/PPG code is 70001...

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail ... ode=WE5868

According to this crop from an Andrew Brown chip sheet, Shell Oil Red is prepared from single-pigment Toluidine Red and seems to be a popular fleet color choice among other oil companies as well.

It is also listed as Ford Aurora Red which is somewhat of a mystery color so far. The first Ford vermilion was English Coach Vermillion and the second was Swift Red as Vermilion Red on trucks. From the mid-forties into the fifties, Ford Vermilion is chip shown above...

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail ... =93-55141R

So eventually we'll see where this all leads since all those nasty rumors about the Pennsy's Toluidine Red being the exact same color as the brighter Coca-Cola red are probably true...

Here you can see the somewhat of a difference between the C&O and B&O blues...

Those C&O and B&O units are the same color - Enchantment Blue. The difference on them is the amount of road grime. After the C&O takeover, 1963, Bando Blue went away.

Here Eric, this one's much better. Using Boatswain Blue as the field color of the nose herald for the reference, Ferrara Blue is the only other blue that even comes close...

This is a color called Granada Brown on a 1942 Oldsmobile B44...

Olds Granada Brown is GM code WE5856. I have very little doubt it's the exact same color we again see here on the WPYR...

This color does seem to be a bit of a troublemaker, however. LOL The fan deck version of WE5856 looks brown like the car on the left while the Martin-Senour chip from their catalog shows more of a greenish cast as demonstrated on #211 and the car to the right.

PaintRef is having problems figuring out this color as well...

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail ... ode=WE5856

Besides Oldsmobile Granada Brown, WE5856 is also known as Chevrolet Scout Brown. The Ditzler/PPG code is 20066...

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail ... zler=20066

On the Ditzler/PPG Oldsmobile chip chart for 1942, this color is labeled as "20055" which is most likely a misprint. The DuPont codes listed are 98461, 246-50964, and 93-22113.

Here's the 1942 DuPont formula and chip for Chevy Scout Brown. They made it out of Black, White, Burnt Umber, and Light Red Oxide...

Going by the cyber sample provided, WE5856 does greatly resemble the color Arizona Hobbies sells as Santa Fe Heavyweight Pullman Green...

https://www.arizonahobbies.com/Santa-Fe ... _2053.html

Here's another shot of that Olds. It's pretty easy to find on the internet since being a 1942 model, it is a fairly rare beast. Definitely not a Reading color, though...

That looks like Lackawanna Yellow as well...

From the Charles L. Uebele book "Paint Making and Color Grinding" published in 1913, here is the chapter entitled "Types Of Pullman Coach Body Color Ground In Coach Japan"...

https://chestofbooks.com/home-improveme ... Japan.html

Notice how Mr. Uebele deftly avoided calling the two concoctions either a brown or a green. LOL Here is a link to the entire book online...

https://chestofbooks.com/home-improveme ... index.html

Looks like a decent rundown of paints, coatings, sealants, and other gooey stuff as they were back in the early 20th century. The Pennsylvania Railroad is mentioned frequently in other chapters especially the ones dealing with reds. Barnes and Noble has the book available in paperback...

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/paint- ... 1133237287

Anyway, neither of those two formulas contain any green pigment like the Granada/Scout Brown above. Same deal here with this modern mix of UPS Brown from Northstar...

http://www.mixmaster.biz/v_formulas/Details/33127

So now here is the 1947 Pullman Green color card from the NPRHS set sandwiched in-between UPS Brown and Granada Scout Brown from the fan deck under various lighting conditions ranging from a sunny window to the shade of the hemlock tree. Basically, to the naked eyeball, it looks just like UPS Brown only a couple shades lighter. Kind of cool how I could turn them all into Pullman Grays...

Now that I have a decent sense of what the Pullman colors are all about, I'll officially call this one for 2015 Brewster Green...

What a rare picture! 551 is one of four RDG AS-16's that could MU with an EMD. The performance dynamics of a 567 vs. a 608A engine are vastly different but the controls WILL MU.

551-554 could not MU with RDG's other Baldwin AS-16's. The other 6 units in the 10-unit batch sat unsold in Eddystone until BLH converted the controls to WABCO air throttles and PRSL bought them once they could MU with the rest of their all-Baldwin fleet.

Phil Mulligan

Here's a pic of #553 hooked up with one of the RS-3's, Phil...

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1629676

#6024 is one of the six from that batch that eventually ended up on the PRSL. Theirs lasted all the way up into Conrail...

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... ?id=915249

In his book, Mr. Uebele lumps both Brewster Green and the darker American version of Brunswick Green into the category of "composite greens"...

https://chestofbooks.com/home-improveme ... Japan.html

On the Andrew Brown sheet, 2015 Brewster Green is made up of Green, Black, White, and Orange...

The six 1953-1956 AS-16's were painted PRR Dark Green Locomotive Color and 6022-6023 were geared for 65 mph and freight service, 6024-6027 80 mph and passenger service.

PRSL used PRR's pre-1923 numbering system where engine numbers were assigned to a specific subsidiary (here WJ&S) in a block independent of class or date built. WJ&S was 6000-6099. Only GP38's 2000-2009 broke this tradition.

Note the MU plugs on RDG 553 and the nest of air hoses on PRSL 6024. 6024 and 6025 flowed to ConRail.

Since this is a paint forum, note PRSL's DGLE color on 6024 did not hold up that well with a hot engine. It looks like it's the paint Baldwin put on it in 1956, 20 years earlier.

Phil Mulligan