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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:48 pm 

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The copper situation during the war might be the reason this particular green is relatively dull to the eye compared to the others like it, Phil, or else it was just an old color made that way originally.

Hey, my Martin-Senour catalog arrived today. Looks like Seacrest Green survived until at least 1980 so that there would definitely cover the seventies FP-7 repaints.

The MS chip is a bit less glossy which accounts for the apparent slight color difference in the first pic.

One step closer...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:24 pm 

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Although it may no longer be relevant to the Reading, my package did happen to include a bulletin dated August 1, 1980 in regards to the Seven-Up examples I posted earlier. By this time, however, the Singer Company had adopted a medium gray for use on their trucks.

Nevertheless, the one green that Singer and Seven-Up shared wasn't that difficult to find. I guess I have that one sewed up... LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:14 am 

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I got an email concerning Boston & Maine blue awhile back so all I can say is, happy hunting, guys!!! LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:57 am 

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I still need to get the Grande Gold straightened out also and the neat little cross-reference list that came with the package hasn't helped yet, either, as Martin-Senour likes to play the numbers game as well. LOL I'll try to find a chip match to 93-5607 today sometime since the sun's out.

I also want to see if I can get the Seacrest Green chip to flash the brighter green look on camera similar to what I did with the Venetian Yellow way back when.

I haven't posted any PaintRef links lately since it seemed like the site was in a state of flux there for awhile and still might be. This Seacrest Green entry is intact, however, and "662G" is the plate or reference number on a forties DuPont Chevy Truck chip sheet, not the actual 246 or 93-prefix code...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetai ... upont=662g

The corresponding Encycolorpedia link...

https://encycolorpedia.com/36564a

Looking at the color on that page just reminds me of those olde-tyme road information signs, like the ones that had reflectors in the lettering...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:57 pm 

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Since there ain't too much to work with there, this is about the best I can do here. This is pretty much how the Export Blue chip lines up with my jeans as well... LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:08 am 

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The Crusader paint scheme dates to 1937 and Dulux was available then. DuPont was a big RDG shipper in Wilmington and Deepwater NJ (reached by carfloat from Wilmington). Some of the DuPont family lived along RDG's W&N Branch.

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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:10 am 

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Chevrolet Truck Export Blue does fit the timeline, Phil. It does look like the blue on the station place name signs as well. Here's the PaintRef page...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetai ... upont=3430

Encycolorpedia hasn't gotten this one yet...

https://encycolorpedia.com/305782

If you look down the page though, you can see the similar colors they have listed. You might be able to get a lead on a color you're searching for that way when attempting to pick pixels. Yeah, I was even trying that early on with moderate success.

The B&M fellas can knock this one out of the picture now, maybe... LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:02 am 

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The timeline would favor 93-5607 as Grande Gold as opposed to 93-224 which is just a slightly lighter and brighter version of the same color apparently introduced later. Anyway, that's what I figure now after looking at the MS chips. 5607 and 224 are darn near the exact same color to the naked eyeball and would be extremely difficult to tell apart in pictures, new or old. If you'd be considering 5283 also, good luck with that. LOL

Beginning with 5607 as Martin-Senour 11612, further down the column in order, we have DuPont 224, 5248, 5283 Sunflower Yellow, and about two-thirds of 54701 at the bottom...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:18 pm 

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Looks like there's enough Woodfield left on #251 to get a decent match with this chip pic bummed off eBay. Almost there!!!...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:11 pm 

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A reproduction place name sign on east side of the rebuilt Annville station...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:46 pm 

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In your Dupont chip books, do you have:
Duco 246-6195 or Dulux 93-6195. That is Woodfield Green.
Duco 254-6479 or Dulux 93-6479. That is Aspen/Grande Gold.
No substitutes. If you don't have those color numbers, you don't have the correct colors.

Reading used Duco in that time frame, not Dulux, but the color chips would be the same.

Just to reiterate for anyone that hasn't read this whole thread.... You can NOT match paint color using photos or print materials for too many reasons to list here. You must have either a current paint color formula from research already done or a properly prepared sample for scanning by a color lab. Otherwise, you will be deeply disappointed in your end results. Duco and Dulux haven't been made in decades and the color numbers haven't been valid since then and cannot be cross referenced to today's formulations. Dupont being the major supplier for rail equipment is what makes duplication of the original colors such a labor intensive endeavor. I know this as a fact, it's part of what I do.

We have the later Bee Line green and yellow colors in both Axalta and PPG. These are current and were well researched. They are also on my list.
Green: Axalta 870210-42P or PPG 933220
Yellow: Axalta 871165-42P or PPG 801270

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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:41 pm 

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Hey, the museum said they needed help so this is how they're getting some. LOL

This Monon guy Steve knows these are fleet colors, Eric, and many of them are still viable today irrespective and regardless of any superseded or current numbers...

http://www.monon.org/paint.html

Let's do a quick look at the red...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetai ... t=246-9089

Swift Red again, huh? There it is on the bottom step of U-23B #601...

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1359646

Mack Truck Yellow was apparently the safety color. Disregard the default codes at the bottom of the page since they're all for 005 Black...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetai ... ont=93-373

And now a holiday double feature starring MS 8745 as DuPont 93-6202. Turns out I was right about the lemon juice bottle and cap insert. Merry Christmas, everyone!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:50 pm 

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Since the sun has been somewhat less than cooperative lately, I thought I'd try flashing the chips with the Maglite I got a couple Christmases ago. It seems to work okay but the technique could use a little refinement... LOL

Here are Narva and Seacrest Green. Santa should've brought me a new camera this year but he blew his wad on old paint chips instead...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:04 pm 

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I just had to do the Brewster Green first, though, and it actually came out half-decent. Brewster's the only postwar Reading green that leans toward yellow. All the rest are on the blue side...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:37 am 

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And just one more for 93-2015 GMC Brewster Green and the Great Northern... LOL


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