https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTCsKe95WuQ

Maybe somebody have actual information and pics from the lokies?
My last infos about 5+ years old. Since then they have disappeared from the
english speaking internet. Hope they not disappeared (scrapped) in real...?

Sammy King wrote an article about it from a visit around 1988 or so. You can find it in the Articles section, third one down. If I recall, disposition of the locos has been discussed in the forum. Sammy will likely post some info here.

Well, my article covered it up until 1989. I've got oodles of pictures here at the house, both #4 AND #6. My video is an hour long, edited, and I posted it along with my information/profile/description on youtube, but it won't display publicly even though I can look at it on their site (lot of good THAT does me). I've got a few extra DVDs, if anybody wants to see what the other fella missed.... I only had a Betamax camera, but he had a Betacam, of course.

No current information on the Spanish speaking internet, I got nowhere calling the museum in Los Mochis, or emailing the Mexican Consulate, --- Dave Conrad and I have been trying for at least a year. Last I knew, #2 was in the Museo Trapiche w/o tender, and #7 is displayed next to a nice, wet FOUNTAIN in a shopping center, again w/o tender. The whereabouts of #6 and #4 is unknown to us, as well as #2's tender, #4's original wood rack tender, #6's vandy, or #7's tank.

At least one of the missing lokies appears on Facebook in a scrap yard maybe for sale

https://www.facebook.com/groups/AOTTORCH/

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=944 ... 9297316648

location in mexico
20°29'36.3"N 103°15'13.7"W

I just got the information from John Skiba. The $64,000 question isn't if she's for sale, it's ARE THEY COVERED UNDER NATIONAL PATRIMONY LAW ?? A German feldbahn lok from the FFCC Tacubaya, ancient and historic as all Hell to Mexico, was recently sold legally and left the country. Who goes nuts for California Western ?? They only want about $126,000 for the engine AND tender, but be careful what you wish for. When she was in service, she would have cost a staggering sum to fix up, and now I hate to think.

If nobody beats me to it, I'll try to find out if she is or ever was owned by any governmnt entity. She very well COULD be private property.

Just to make sure anybody know what I am talking about.

In the early 1920s California Western Railroad out of Ft. Bragg, CA received three identical
2-6-2 oil burners from Baldwin (No 21-22-23).
The first one was sold 30 years later to the sugar railroad Mexicano del Pacifico in
Los Mochis, MX where it operated until the 1990s!
After that sporadically pics appear on the internet until about 2018.
Now resourfaced...

Here it sister 22 new at Baldwin and 21 as MdelP 6 operational in the 1990s.

That picture of #6 was taken after she was out of service, to judge by the missing goodies...

With appropriate apologies to everybody who is sick of me plugging my article:

http://www.rypn.org/articles/single.php ... 223522.txt

Thanks to Dr John Kirchner for providing the information that Ingenio de Los Mochis in modern times was owned by the Mexican government, meaning that MdelP #6 is subject to national patrimony. The pictures I saw (but can't post) of her in the scrapyard in El Salto, Jalisco would give a person the idea that nobody cares what happens to her, but it is still illegal for the carcass to leave the country. I'd say they've already stared scrapping her, since it looks like all the brass has been removed and there don't seem to be any rods. Oh yea, she's covered with asbestos, too. At least I have my memories...

Hi Sammy,

that people like me (German) like to follow local and international laws is a known fact...
But Americans do too? This is new to me!

First it is 500+ miles away from the former place of use.
So nobody with heart and soul connections is around.

Second it is clearly for sale from a private entity.

Load it on two flatbed trucks as scrap metal wih destination "Metal & Steel xxx city nowhere US". (No No No name of Museum, Railroad, Historical...).

Do NOT ship via any sea-port - the people know the rules.
Ship it via two different border crossings (eg Nogales and El Paso) where the officials only deal with NAFTA and "incentive" business...bingo!

just thoughts hahaha

This locomotive is very dear to me, if you've seen my MdelP article, you can understand my feelings. How do most Americans feel about Mexican steam ?? Look at the New Hope deadline. Oh, but this one is originally from California...

All it takes is one guy with a badge and a gun. You'll have to get past a lot of them before you cross the border. How many can you afford to pay off ?? Pay off one cop, and there will be a long line of them wanting their cut.

I think you could make a reasonable argument that nobody in Mexico seems to care about #6, and that gringos not only care, but will pay good money for her. The law is still the law. OK, get a lawyer. I can't find a lawyer in my home town who actually gives a shit about anything except lining his pockets. Best of luck finding one in Mexico.

Have you ever been to the MdelP ?? That locomotive was awful junky when she was in service, but have you looked at those scrapyard pictures ?? You would have damn few original parts left by the time you got her past the FRA.

I've got enough in the bank to buy #6 and her tender. But, you got to pick your battles. The little saddletanker I'm determined to restore already represents a nice house I'm not living in, a nice truck I'm not driving, and oodles of nice vacations I'll never take. I've already had two iron horses shot out from under me, so other than giving out advice, I'm afraid I can't help with this project. I wish anybody well who wants to attempt it, but the best thing I can do for them personally is try and talk them out of it.This is no laughing matter, as anybody who takes the bait will see soon enough. The time for action was 35 years ago, when I was trying to spread the word, but nobody would listen.