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 Post subject: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:29 pm 

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Have been following the numerous threads,
about what to do with old steam loco's.

Rebuild them at great expense, or paint them up as a display.

Would like to offer an idea for your consideration.

Very impressed with what Steamtown did with 1923 Baldwin #8.
Whoever did that cut-away, really understood steam locos.

If you can't afford to restore it, how about turning it into a first-class teaching aid.
Passing down steam knowledge to the younger generation is a dying art.

Just a thought.


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:54 pm 

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Monticello (IL) should consider this for 401's old boiler.


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:32 pm 

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That is slick !


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:03 pm 

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That's not limited to steam. At the Electric City Trolley Museum, across the parking lot from Steamtown in Scranton, we have a cut down Reading Birney that illustrates how a trolley goes together.

Take a look:

http://www.ectma.org/506html.html

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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:41 pm 

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As I recall, the Steamtown display is former Duquesne Slag, ne Penn View Mountain #8


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:20 am 

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Steamtown didn't originate the idea.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... motive.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bertie_is ... 3867392815
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/sta ... otos-75271


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:04 pm 

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There are several museums that can benefit from having such a display. The IRM comes to mind as well as the CSRRM. Remember for most everyday peoples perspective the knowledge of how steam locomotives work is at least 2 generations lost and in some cases 4! There are many suitable locomotives that would be good candidates. The GTW 0-8-0 and UP 2-8-0 classes come to mind


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:28 pm 

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Note that these cut away diplaies also include a first class cosmtic restoration which isn't cheap. Much better than a rusting hulk out back. If you have a lot of locomotives of the same class you could stage a wreck in your museum.
https://www.fotosearch.com/FNE051/3607840/


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:36 pm 

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Consider reversability in terms of artifact treatment. Seems as if it could be difficult under these circumstances.

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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:39 pm 
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JayZee wrote:
Remember for most everyday peoples perspective the knowledge of how steam locomotives work is at least 2 generations lost and in some cases 4!


Not too surprising considering how rare actual instructional presentations on the mechanics and function of steam locomotives are in the industry and the hobby. I recall only seeing three comprehensive clinics/programs presented in about 50 years of attending preservation and history events.

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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:25 pm 

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It is an excellent teaching tool, and the only thing lost is the locomotive itself. A mock-up or a digital model, especially an interactive one aimed at young people, would be instructive and would require destruction of the locomotive.

I'm sorry, thumbs down on this from a retired science teacher.

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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:33 pm 

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Richard Glueck wrote:
It is an excellent teaching tool, and the only thing lost is the locomotive itself. A mock-up or a digital model, especially an interactive one aimed at young people, would be instructive and would require destruction of the locomotive.

I'm sorry, thumbs down on this from a retired science teacher.

Of course, Mr. Conrad did this long before the technology you mention existed. This has been discussed previously:

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2361&p=9462&hilit=spang+chalfont&sid=d11ad0460bb0b887eeb12736ab0a558d&sid=d11ad0460bb0b887eeb12736ab0a558d#p9462

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4198&hilit=spang+chalfont&sid=d11ad0460bb0b887eeb12736ab0a558d


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:41 pm 

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Like Mr. Glueck, I too have to vote N0. Once this is done to a locomotive, any future restoration is highly unlikely. Much better a model or other alternative to explain the workings.


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:59 pm 

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We have enough digital stuff. Children need to see the real thing, up close and full size. One less locomotive of no particular significance won't ruin things.


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 Post subject: Re: Another use for old engines.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:38 pm 

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Regardless of the pro's and con's and using a real locomotive for this purpose, this display was one of the many reasons FRA chose to conduct training for new FRA steam inspectors at Steamtown in 2015. It was invaluable for the understanding of how these locomotives work for these inspectors.

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