Shhhhhhh! Don't even.....

/Kevin Madore

Part 230 defines retirement as any locomotive that has not had a 1472 day inspection. It could also mean any locomotive that has completed a 1472 day inspection but has been out of service and is now beyond the 15 year time limit.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "15 years" starts a year after the date the first tube was put in ... but the first of the 'service days' occurred when they fired her up. Two different parts of the measurement.

Part 230, section 17a states:
"......the initial 15 year period shall begin on the day that the locomotive is placed in service or 365 calendar days after the first flue tube is installed in the locomotive, whichever comes first."

This means that the 15 year clock can start any time between the first flue and the first 365 days. It also means that a locomotive that has exceeded its 1472 days or 15 years is considered "retired" until the next 1472 day inspection is completed.

Oh Kevin, red worked well here!

http://www.eisenbahncanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/No.-1-type-in-Vermilion-red-as-on-may-1982.jpg

;-)

Randy

I said that as a comment entirely meant in jest, but without getting into an intense livery debate, I don’t have a problem in seeing Reading 2102 in a similar scheme as both 425 and 225.

What matters more to me is that it operates. And even if it is painted blue, hey it’s unique, something different to most other big locomotives. And so what if it isn’t historic? R&N 425 has been painted in blue for a good long while now and that color has been identified with the locomotive so much that I think it’s hard for anyone to imagine 425 in any other color. No one seems to have a problem with that, or the livery 2101 was painted in for the Chessie Steam Special.

I don’t see them painting 2102 in blue. Reading 2102 unlike 425 or 225 is a locomotive that will be running on home rails, and i’m 99% sure they’d paint the locomotive in a historic Reading scheme. But I have zero problems with them doing something out of the box like they’ve done for their other locomotives.

Hmmmm. The CNJ Pacifics that pulled the Blue Comet were Packard Blue to match the train. They ran on RDG's Atlantic City RR from Winslow Jct. to Atlantic City. RDG painted a few Pacifics blue in the 1930's for Main Line trains. The Crusader Pacifics were blue where they weren't stainless steel.

B&O's P-7 Pacifics were initially green but were Royal Blue by the late 1930's. B&O's Royal Blue Line ran over RDG from Park Jct. Philadelphia to Bound Brook Jct. NJ. A P-7 was assigned to B&O 35, an express from RDG's Wayne Junction in NW Phila to Washington every weekday morning until 1953, being the last schedulled steam passenger train on RDG. (it connected with RDG's commuter trains at Wayne Jct.) (return service terminated at B&O's 24th and Chestnut Station and did not run on RDG; returning Wayne Jct. pax probably took the Royal Blue and enjoyed a B&O dinner in the dining car)

Phil Mulligan

230.18 - "A service day is accrued each day the locomotive boiler has steam pressure above atmospheric pressure, with fire in the firebox; ... [it is possible the definition is a calendar day, in which case if the locomotive had pressure and fire after 12:01 that might count as two service days...]

I do not know if this means FRA defines "being placed in service" as "accruing the first service day". If so the clock started running on the 1472 dayson the day of first fire -- and possibly the 15-year clock started that same day.

What defines putting the first tube in? Simply placing a tube in flue sheets is not 100% installation of the tube. Rolling the firebox end and not the smokebox end (yet...) is not considered a full install. Seems to me that a bit of prep work in that regard could be carried out and not burn up valuable time on the paperwork.

I think many of these questions can be answered and/or clarified by reading the preamble to Part 230 and the reasoning involved.

Mike Ramsey

I recall we discussed firing days in a recent earlier thread? Maybe the topic was the Nevada Northern engine or C&O 1309.

The gist of the discussion was some leeway in counting test firing and hydro tests against the 1472 clock. Maybe an experienced searcher or Kelly A. can assist my memory.

Wesley

I wouldn’t be surprised to see her painted blue. That’s kind of their branding on that line.

I thought I read somewhere that she will be painted in a Rambles era inspired scheme.

John

Excellent news - an Uncle ran for the Reading and loved the T hogs. I'm also grateful that nobody so far has questioned the timing or hurry involved, if any...... I think the original whistles were high pitched single note hooters.