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 Post subject: OT - Queen Mary operator files for bankruptcy
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:37 pm 

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Article here:

https://www.frommers.com/blogs/passport ... -collapses

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:17 pm 

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What a shame!

RMS Queen Mary is the equivalent of the 1938 Century, Broadway, Capitol and Super Chief together, and then some.

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 Post subject: Re: OT - Queen Mary operator files for bankruptcy
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:07 pm 

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I once stayed a couple or three nights at the Queen Mary while attending an Association of California Archivists meeting instead of commuting from home. Another time or two, I met with my parents at the Queen Mary for a birthday dinner.

Los Angeles Times article:
Operator of Queen Mary in Long Beach files for bankruptcy protection

Long Beach Press-Telegram article:
Firm that manages Queen Mary files for bankruptcy, along with 26 related companies

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:35 pm 

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all the museum ships are hurting, but not with the added millions of debt before 2020.Visited her several years ago, Grand Lady.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:18 pm 

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Doesn't say whether it is Chapter 11 or the more onerous Chapter 7 ...

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:20 pm 

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S. Weaver wrote:
Doesn't say whether it is Chapter 11 or the more onerous Chapter 7 ...


Chapter 11 is listed in the article. The ship itself is owned by the City of Long Beach. The bankruptcy action was filed by the company that operates it.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:27 am 

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Good point -- and unless one takes a detailed look at the court documents, you can't tell if the Queen Mary per se was operating in the black or the red because the parent company is involved with over two dozen hotels.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:00 pm 

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The Queen Mary has not been adequately maintained for many years.

https://www.presstelegram.com/2019/10/19/years-of-queen-mary-inspection-reports-show-little-repair-progress-has-been-made-despite-new-operator/
Neglected maintenance report from 2019:
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Years of Queen Mary inspection reports show little repair progress has been made, despite new operator

Long Beach officials argued the reports don't reflect the full scope of work that has occurred.

By HAYLEY MUNGUIA | hmunguia@scng.com | Long Beach Press-Telegram
PUBLISHED: October 19, 2019 at 7:00 a.m. | UPDATED: October 19, 2019 at 7:01 a.m.

The Queen Mary, a retired British ocean liner that Long Beach has sought for decades to restore to its former glory, continues to languish.

Years of inspection reports obtained by the Press-Telegram, predating and including the current operator’s lease, revealed that little progress has been made on urgent repair work to the ship.

Long Beach officials, for their part, have argued that the inspection reports don’t reflect the full scope of work that has occurred on the ship. But the inspector tasked with analyzing the Queen Mary’s condition said he has seen little, if any, evidence that enough rehabilitation work is being done to prevent the ship from falling further into disrepair.

“The biggest problem is that maintenance isn’t being performed,” Long Beach’s third-party inspector, Edward Pribonic, said in a phone interview this week. “And there is no enforcement on the city’s side to get that done.”

Lack of maintenance and repair work has been an ongoing theme throughout Pribonic’s reports, despite the city’s selection of a new operator for the ship in 2016. Early that year, Urban Commons took over a 66-year lease and agreed to take on the Queen Mary’s maintenance.

As part of the deal, Long Beach agreed to pay $23 million toward the repair work. But that money dried up last year, and problems persist.

Pribonic’s comments were consistent with years of monthly reports he has submitted to the city about the Queen Mary’s state.

In a January 2016 report, Pribonic noted that the ship’s expansion joints have been an ongoing issue since at least 1999. After years of noting the issue could become a danger, he noted, an attempt to repair them resulted in “a large section of the corroded expansion joint (falling) from overhead nearly striking staff below it.”

After that, he was informed that only a portion of the joints would be repaired.

“I consider this unacceptable from both a safety viewpoint and a preservation viewpoint,” he wrote.

In reports from this year, Pribonic wrote that staff had indicated work was being done on the expansion joints. But despite those assurances, he wrote in May, “I found this not to be the case.”

Other issues, like the ship’s lifeboats, have also made repeat appearances in inspection reports over the years.

“No work on containing the expanding corrosion of the lifeboats has been done in years,” he wrote in November 2015. “I would like to raise awareness to the fact that the davit structures that hold up the boats is also rapidly corroding and structural cracks are appearing.”

In January of this year, Pribonic noted that the lack of work on the lifeboats “is a critical safety concern.”

And in May, he reiterated, “The danger of structural failure of the lifeboats is the highest priority.”

In his interview with the Press-Telegram, Pribonic said he, city staff and the ship’s operator, Urban Commons, have all agreed that the lifeboats are some of “the most critical items.”

But the company, Pribonic said, has no funding to address his concerns.

Representatives for Urban Commons declined to answer questions about the state of the ship. Spokeswoman Martha Dickerson pointed to previous statements made by Urban Commons’ principal and co-founder, Taylor Woods.

“Repairs to The Queen Mary have been underway for some time, with each item outlined in our agreement appropriately prioritized and either already addressed, or postponed,” Woods said in an Oct. 4 statement, “with supporting documentation in favor of issues that required immediate attention to ensure the ship remains safe for visitors and crew at all times.”

Long Beach, for its part, appears to have confidence in Urban Commons’ stewardship.

“I can say without any reservations that the ship is far safer than it was three years ago, or the day before Urban Commons took over the contract,” Long Beach Economic Development Director John Keisler said in a Friday, Oct. 18, interview.

“We know that a lot of the issues in the reports that have been addressed — they just dropped off the reports,” Keisler added, noting that significant progress has been made on repairs to the Queen Mary’s fire and life-safety systems, including the ship’s fire alarm panel and emergency generator.

“Inspection reports should all be bad,” Keisler said. “They should be addressing issues of concern.”

In that respect, it appears Pribonic is succeeding in his task.

But, counter to Keisler’s point, Pribonic said he stood by his reports as documents noting the state of the Queen Mary as a whole.

“I question how you can go through $23 million and get virtually nothing done,” Pribonic said, “and there’s no problem with that.”

As for where the ship goes from here, Pribonic said it’s unclear, because his understanding is that Urban Commons simply doesn’t have the money to keep up with the necessary work.

Keisler acknowledged funding is an issue, but he said the operator is working cooperatively with the city to come up with solutions.

Although Keisler sent a letter earlier this month to Urban Commons, warning the firm that it may default on its lease, Keisler said Friday that was no longer a concern.

“They’ve shown they’re being very responsive,” he said, “and they intend to not only meet those deadlines, but they want to make sure they fulfill those obligations.”

Meanwhile, Long Beach is eyeing hiring another third-party firm to check Pribonic’s work.

“The main thing here is that, in the last three months, the language that’s being used by our consultant and our inspector has become more acute,” Keisler said, “and so we’re now asking a third-party engineer, a larger engineering firm with operational capacity, to do a deeper dive to look at those specific issues.”


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Update January 20, 2021 from the Long Beach Press-Telegram
Firm that manages Queen Mary files for bankruptcy, along with 26 related companies
https://www.presstelegram.com/2021/01/20/firms-behind-queen-mary-management-and-hotels-in-pasadena-anaheim-and-palm-desert-file-for-bankruptcy/

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...The real estate firm has faced similar, though less extreme, troubles in Long Beach. In late 2019, city officials issued a notice to the company that it was in danger of defaulting on its Queen Mary lease because of its failure to complete urgent repair work. Around the same time, Long Beach’s third-party inspector for the Queen Mary began speaking publicly about the lack of maintenance and repairs that he saw on the ship.

But early last year, the city ended its longstanding contract with the inspector.

Long Beach officials, though, have repeatedly stood by Urban Commons in the face of criticism.

“I can say without any reservations that the ship is far safer than it was three years ago, or the day before Urban Commons took over the contract,” Long Beach Economic Development Director John Keisler said in a 2019 interview, shortly after he advised the firm that it could default on its lease.

But in December 2019, City Auditor Laura Doud announced that she would begin an audit of the city’s Queen Mary lease agreement with Urban Commons. Doud has not yet released the results of that audit.

A Wednesday statement from the city said Long Beach is “concerned” about the bankruptcy filings.

“The City is concerned with this development, as the company has a long-term obligation to ensure the upkeep and operation of the City’s asset,” the statement said. “The City will be requesting information from (Eagle Hospitality Trust) to understand their immediate operational plans and will take appropriate legal steps in the process to ensure the City and the Queen Mary are protected.”


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:12 pm 

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A ship is a hole in the water, into which you pour money.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:29 pm 

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I think this is a perfect example of why the SS United States is never going to come to fruition outside of being a non profit cash cow.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:31 pm 

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See also: USS Olympia, USS Texas, USS Alabama. Sigh.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:26 pm 

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USS Massachusetts had some hull compartments open to the sea until an extensive hull repair was done a few years ago.

SS Nobska met its end when the program to replate the vessel ran out of money and she was cut up in the drydock.

And you can see the wisdom of the USS Slater staff in planning their plating replacements in increased thickness, which also helps protect the ship from ice flow in the river. They also got Coast Guard approval for new watertight doors to provide horizontal access for visitors to the aft engine room and motor room. When I first visited the ship the only engine room and motor room access was vertical ladder trunks.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:04 pm 

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USS Olympia (C-6) is being repaired but will need drydock time for hull repairs. The Delaware at Philadelphia is considered freshwater but there is some salinity.

USS New Jersey (BB-62) is across the river in Camden NJ and will eventually need drydocked.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:35 am 

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Sadly, the history of the Queen Mary as a tourist attraction and hotel since being placed at Long Beach in 1967 is filled with as many bad years as good.

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 Post subject: Re: OT - Queen Mary operator files for bankruptcy
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:59 am 

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I read that one of the problems with all of the ships on display is that none of them sit on their design water lines. None are "combat loaded" or in ready for sea condition so they sit higher than designed, on thinner plates and therefore more susceptible to corrosion.

When Queen Mary was brought to Long Beach the economic circumstances were probably quite different than they are today. Why pour money into a ship with little or no real connection to the area when highways need to be repaved, etc.?


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