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 Post subject: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:33 pm 

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CORRY R.A.I.L.S. has begun the process of restoring/renovating CLIMAX A-313. The below is an image of a partially assembled 1902 Class A Climax A-313. All dimensions were taken from the WOOD and have not been confirmed by attaching any steel or iron parts or measuring any such parts. Therefore this is a first approximation subject to remeasuring and remeasuring and assembling some parts to determine the (hopefully) original sizes of the wood parts 120 years later.

The cylinder shown is to indicate to the viewer the location of the Boiler and is NOT based upon any measurements of the Boiler. I will be preparing 2D drawings of each part so that the measurements can be confirmed and corrected and a 3D CADD Model be created from which to re-create the parts.

Link to 3D pdf. Best viewed in Solid Outline in Adobe Acrobat Reader.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/SIMONTON/A-313+Frame.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:49 am 

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Having been there at the open house in May, looking at the rather large wood puzzle of the disassembled wood frame was actually encouraging.

The entire sills are southern yellow pine, not oak, reportedly as oak would be too heavy. There's a variety of wood on it. That sketch doesn't do justice to the rather intricate jointwork of notching and dovetailing though that Climax did in that era.

One sill side is relatively intact, and the other is very deteriorated, but as the only surviving one of it's type, even having shards to measure is a huge advantage.

The other nice thing is that Corry, PA is on the southern edge of a large, and growing, regional Amish population. There were lot of Amish at the open house. As this isn't exactly prime farmland up here in NW Pennsylvania, the local population is primarily skilled trades - including home sawmills, all manner of steel and leather crafts, etc. If you have original wood pieces and can scale it out, to them it looks like just another barn, this time on wheels.

I have an Amish friend up there that's both a railfan and an HO model railroader, he has an exquisite finish-grade sawmill of furniture quality, all powered with a natural-gas engine and electric generator from his own well (legal) and an overhead-belt driven mill powering nearly everything that would make the EBT machine shop fans feel right at home. So for a Climax, with a lot of wood, the local resources are actually there.

The other thing about A313 that surprised me was that while it's 36" gauge, the wheels look like they were done by Lionel - wide tread and deep flange. It looks like wood beam or strap rail wheels. Supposedly they were ordered that way to compensate for the 'irregular' nature of the gauge in Alaska due to permafrost heaves.


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 Post subject: Re: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:31 am 

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Check out the 3D pdf. One can hide parts in a 3D pdf to observe the Mortises and Tenons which are concealed.

Note the Mortises in the Front Bolster. I speculate that A-313 was a transitional frame from Vertical Boiler to T-Boiler with the Cross Member behind the Front Sill being added to what was in essence a Vertical Boiler frame design to support the Smokebox Saddle of the T-Boiler making the mortises in the front sill redundant.

Just a thought as the thought process is just beginning.


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 Post subject: Re: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:34 am 

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It's a fascinating locomotive not just because it survived at all when so much of it is wood, but it's a living piece of engineering history in the evolution of geared steam.

I'd have to spend some more time in the Climax book and studying build numbers and photos, but the boiler on 313 that's clearly a transitional vertical to horizontal design is fascinating to examine. Obviously it worked or it wouldn't have survived, but so has a Platypus.

I've always admired Scott's (Gilbert) patent design for the helical drive gears, but there's lots of other little brilliant touches on a design both this old, and this basic, to admire, and to make it 'simple stupid' to maintain with few resources at hand.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US393896A/en


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 Post subject: Re: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:21 pm 

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Another visit to Corry, PA to work on Climax A-313 (1902). With so much time, the wood has shrank, been damaged and is some cases rot has affected the wood parts. With that in mind much work on re-engineering the frame remains. The following are three screen shots of the results to date. Please keep in mind that as Corry RAILS matches wood to steel and iron, some things may change because what we think can and will change as the forensic investigation continues.


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 Post subject: Re: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:48 pm 

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A number of individuals were kind enough to share their Notes and Sketches, some from Keith Christenson, and some photos of details. Although every dimension will be remeasured where available and the Notes consulted and reconciled as some are conflicting, the below illustrates a March 1902 15 Ton Class A Climax fairly accurately with a number of place holders like the roof arches, etc. I am aware of a number of errors and construction details which are inaccurate but do not want to impose my 21st Century ideas of what they did or did not do especially when working in 21st Century CADD. So view these screenshots from my CADD program with a grain of salt and please offer any constructive comments if you have any original or second hand detail of which you are aware.

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 Post subject: Re: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:29 am 

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As I have said my drawings of A-313 are a work-in-progress. Last night after posting the three screenshots of the progress on A-313. I went back to the Notes and Sketches of Keith Christenson which I was shared. One of the Notes is a handwritten list of square headed bolts required to begin putting A-313 back together along with a few scrawled notes as to the use thereof. By blowing up the list and puzzling out the handwriting I found a note indicating that the Posts and the Facia were bolted together (no tie rods). He lists 1/2" x 5" bolts although a sketch indicates 5/8" holes in the Facia and Posts from those sketches for the facia and posts, I found that 5/8" x 4" square headed bolts with washers both sides work. Now to reconcile my mistakes, Keith's mistakes (I have found some) and Climax's mistakes - at least 3 found so far - a hole drilled and plugged, another hole in the wrong place and a mortise in the wrong place.

Therefore, it would appear that Climax did not tie the sides together except for the 1/2" x "x" Lag Bolts into the ends of the roof arches.

So here is a screenshot of the "revised" setup without tie rods. Other mistakes and puzzles to worked out and "corrected" as I and CORRY R.A.I.L.S. work our way through the rebuild and renovation.

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 Post subject: Re: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:58 pm 

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A pdf of the plan views and elevations of A-313 is attached hereto. All the dimensions are subject to incremental change so I am not showing a dimensioned drawing although it is all to scale. Your contributions to CORRY R.A.I.L.S. a 501 (c)(3) organization can help bring this unique locomotive back to life to its as-new condition when it first went to the Alaska gold fields in 1902.


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 Post subject: Re: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:32 pm 

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For all of those who have wondered how Climax ran the steam exhaust from the Engine to the Stack on a Class A Climax (as I have), here are a couple of screenshots which illustrate the way Climax did it.

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 Post subject: Re: CLIMAX A-313
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:35 pm 

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Progress on Climax A-313 (March 1902).

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