Today I browsed some 20 year old photos made at the Galveston RR Museum.

Engine in question is
Waco, Beaumont, Trinity & Sabine RR #1 a Baldwin 2-6-2

I can NOT trace any of the available info about this engine back to the original/first owner/operator
of this locomotive. I did NOT find any matching info in my Baldwin data.

Does anyone have the class designation/line number of that engine that I can trace back within Baldwin records?
If the cylinder-diameter at steamlocomotive . info is correct it should look like this:
10-24-1/4-D,xxx

Or maybe someone can match the supposed serial number 53413 to the line number?

https://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocom ... splay=1173
http://wbtsrailway.net/photos.htm

This is what ownership history we have on this locomotive:
https://www.steamlocomotive.info/nlocoo ... which=1173

My information shows the same heritage data as listed at Dougs site. The loco was built 7-1920 with 15x24-44" cylinders & drivers.

With what info you have check the Baldwin sales record books at DeGolyer Library at SMU and there will be a ton of additional deep dive type info if that is of interest.

If you have any trouble finding it let me know. Am away from my records today.

Allen Stanley
Greer, SC

Allen,
yes that is what I have - ALL databases from SMU - but nowhere to find this loco!
That is the reason I asked here.
You know the data is all based on class not serial number.

Also Wes Barris site did not list it!

And yes I have the info from Dougs site with the first owner name "H.G. Bohlssen Co. #1".
But nothing of "Bohlssen" "Bohlsen" "Bolsen" "Bohlsson" "Bohlson" "Bolson" etc is to find in
the DeGolyer data!
And I checked not only the 10-24, I checked also the 10-22 and 10-26 in case somebody had the the cylinder diameter false.

Hi
Here is the information that i found in J.David Conrad book Vol # 2 The Steam Locomotive Directory of North America.

Built for H.G. Bohlssen Co. # 1 location unknown.
Sale date unknown to Angelina Hardwood Lumber Co. #1 Kelly's TX.
Sale to Southland Paper Mills inc 9/44 as there # 1 Herty, TX
Sale to Waco Beaumont Trinity & Sabine Railway #1 Trinity, TX 4/48
Donation to Moody Foundation date unknown.

cylinder 15"+ 24" BP 160 drivers 43"

Man, did this ever take on a life of its own.

First off, the 15" cylinders pretty clearly place this machine in Class 10-24-1/4D. Because I'm curious and apparently don't have anything else to do I spent a while looking at and summarizing the Baldwin records available on the SMU website. Second, the order for this locomotive is very clearly present in the Index of Construction Numbers, transcript from that source is "53413, 7/1920, H.G. Bohlssen Mfg. Company #1, 2-6-2, 15x24 cylinders, 44" drivers, to Angelina Hardwood Lbr. Co. #1.". A handwritten note at the bottom of the page reads "53413 later to Waco, Beaumont, Trinity & Sabine #1". Third, I spent a brief amount of time googling H.G. Bohlssen Lumber, the Tram & Railroad Database on the Texas Forestry Museum website has the following information entered for this operation:

"The Angelina Hardwood Lumber Company, located at Ewing, was a joint partnership between H. G. Bohlssen and interests from Angelina County Lumber Company. With Bohlssen's death in 1922, his Widow sold her interests to Angelina County Lumber Company and the Henderson family. The mill operated until 1944. Tramming operations were conducted by Angelina Hardwood Company. Effie Boon reported that the company operated a small locomotive on the spurs and a steam loader. Shipping was handled by the Angelina & Neches River RR Co., the Angelina County Lumber Company tap-line. It is uncertain who owned the steam railroad equipment of the Angelina Hardwood Company, either it or its parent, Angelina County Lumber Company. It is possible the Angelina Hardwood leased it and other equipment from the A&NR. Most of the in-woods operations were handled by oxen and mules, trucks, and two-wheeled carts. The train yard and loading docks at Ewing were dangerous. H. G. Bohlssen, the owner, was killed by sliding lumber on a loading dock, in 1922. John Franklin Davison died underneath a train at the switching yard some years later. Keeling notes that Angelina Hardwood Company operated a logging tram, but he does not give a list of equipment. He also notes the tram road under Bohlssen Mfg. Co. of Lufkin."

Now to the Baldwin factory records. Baldwin nominally built 161 locomotives in the 10-24-1/4D class. The specification sheets website includes two indexes, one by purchaser and the other by class. Someone probably at SMU created these indexes, I have found a few transcription errors in them in the past but generally they are good. That being said, this locomotive as linkthebutler indicates does not appear in either index. I summarized the information for the 10-24-1/4D Class from the Class index, and I found there are several examples of duplicate numbers in the index (specifically numbers 42-45 are duplicate and there are two #48s and two #88s) and then three numbers that are missing from the index, #56 (1905 date), #131 (1919 date), and more importantly to this question #136 from 1920. Given available information it appears this locomotive is likely 10-24-1/4D-136. I have never been able to decipher the rationale behind the order in which locomotives appear in the 80 or so volumes of the specification sheets posted to the SMU website, so I have no way of narrowing down in which volume this locomotive might appear.

The index of the 10-24-1/4D class as summarized from the SMU follows, with the duplicates hopefully in red text and the three missing records in blue. Edited to add the duplicates may be class number transcription errors, but I'm not about to invest the time at least now to run those down.

1-6 Government of New Zealand, 1885
7-8 Liku Ho, 1890
9-10 Wellington & Manawatu #9-#10, 1891
11-15 Frazar & Company for Liku Ho #10-#14, 1890
16-19 Frazar & Company for Britain Ry. #1-#4, 1890
20-24 Takata & Co. (for Nara Ry.) #1-#5, 1893
25-27 Frazar & Company for Liku Ho #17-#19, 1894
28-30 Frazar & Company for Hoshyu #2-#4, 1894
31-32 Frazar & Company for Sanyo Ry. #32-#33, 1894
33-34 Frazar & Company for Liku Ho #27-#28, 1895
35 Williamsville, Greenville & St Louis #6, 1895
36-38 Frazar & Company for Hoshyu #6-#8, 1894
39-42 New Zealand Government #351-#354, 1901
43 Globe Lumber Limited #6, 1902
44 Eastern & Western Lumber #1, 1902
45 King Ryder Lumber #5, 1904
42-45 Braganca of Brazil #17-#20, 1907
46 Krajewski & Pesant for Francisca M. Duranona “Silvia” #2, 1904
47 Krajewski & Pesant for Cia Azucarera De Guines #1, 1904
48 Grayling Lumber
48 Braganca “Antonio Lemos” #14, 1904
49 Little River #105, 1904
50 Trout Creek Lumber #1, 1904
51 Grant Land & Lumber #1, 1905
52 Braganca “Augusto Montenegro” #15, 1904
53 Ozark Land & Lumber #4, 1905
54 Trout Creek Lumber #229, 1905
55 Polson Logging #4, 1905
56
57 Victoria Fisher & Western #6, 1905
58 East Union Lumber & Manufacturing #18, 1906
59 Hudson River Lumber #20, 1906
60 Trout Creek Lumber #5, 1905
61 Gilver Alexander Lumber #3, 1906
62-63 Long Bell Lumber #95-#96, 1906
64 Fremont & Lumber #21, 1906
65 Victoria, Fischer & Western #7, 1905
66 Tremont Lumber #55, 1907
67-68 Calcaseiu Long Leaf Lumber #70-#71, 1907
69 Central San Angustin (by Galban & Company), 1908
70 Western Washington Logging #3, 1908
71 California Western Railroad & Navigation #7, 1909
72-74 Louisiana & Pacific #46, #97, #98, 1909
75 Waterman Lumber #1, 1909
76 Thompson Bros. Lumber #10, 1909
77 Good Pine lUmber #6, 1909
78 Thompson & Tucker Lumber #6, 1909
79 Anglo-Newfoundland Development #4, 1909
80 Frost Johnson Lumber
81 Mason County Logging #7, 1910
82-83 Yueh Han #3-#4, 1910
84 Thompson Bros. Lumber #11, 1909
85 Rapid City, Black Hills & Western #48, 1911
86 East Union Lumber & Manufacturing #20, 1910
87 Gates Lumber #7, 1911
88 Frost Johnson #103, 1911
88 Norton Timber #1, 1911
89 Thompson Bros. Lumber#12, 1909
90 Sumter Lumber #5, 1911
91 Klondike Mines #4, 1911
92 Ouachita & Northwestern #8, 1912
93 Bel (J.A.) Lumber #4, 1912
94 Waterman Lumber #3, 1912
95 Anglo-Newfoundland Development #5, 1912
96 California Western Railroad & Navigation Company #11, 1913
97 Missouri & Louisiana
98 Amsinck #23, 1913
99 Lufkin Land & Lumber #7, 1913
100 Grayling Lumber #4, 1913
101 Arkansa Short Leaf Lumber
102 Texas Long Leaf Lumber #7, 1914
103 Frazar for Fuji Minbu #4, 1914
104 Hebard, Charles & Sons
105 Harbeson, W.B. Lumber #100, 1915
106 Union Lumber #12, 1915
107 Wilson Lumber #2, 1915
108 S&A Lumber #101, 1915
109 Rapid City, Black Hills & Western #49, 1915
110 Victoria, Fisher & Western #8, 1915
111-2 Harbeson, W.B. Lumber #102-#103, 1915
113 Blount-Decker Lumber #3, 1916
114-5 Frazar for Fuji Minbu #12-#13, 1916
116 Aruco Ltd.
117-8 Antofagasta Nitrate #1-#2, 1917
119-20 Frazar for Fuji Minbu #11, #14, 1917
121-2 Frazar for Ome #5-#16, 1917
123 King Ryder Lumber #48, 1919
124-5 Florala Saw Mill #100-#101, 1919
126-7 Antofagasta Nitrate #3-#4, 1919
128-9 Harbeson, W.B. Lumber #14-#16, 1919
130 Lufkin Land & Lumber #17, 1919
131
132 Harbeson, W.B. Lumber #17, 1919
133 Mardez Lumber #6, 1919
134 Crowell & Spencer Lumber #200, 1920
135 Meredith Lumber #104, 1920
136
137 Kentucky Lumber #6, 1920
138-40 Joso #1, #7, #8, 1920
141 Anglo-Newfoundland Development #10, 1920
142-3 Fuji Minobu #15-#16, 1920
144 Geibi #7, 1920
145 Hokkaido Kogyo Tetsudo, K.K. #1, 1921
146 Mitchell, W.G. Lumber #6, 1921
147 Lipsitz, Harris Lumber for Chronister Lumber #8, 1921
148 Graves Brothers #9, 1922
149 Waterson Lumber #4, 1922
150 Hebard, Charles #5, 1922
151 Sierra Railway Co. of California #30, 1922
152 Waterman Fouke Lumber #2, 1922
153 Trout Creek Lumber #4, 1922
154 Haynesville Lumber #5, 1922
155 Ingham-Burnett Lumber #22, 1923
156-7 Kominato #1-#2, 1924
158 W.B. Harbeson #11, 1924
159 California Fruit Exchange #1, 1925
160 Allison Lumber #103, 1925
161 Hartmann, E. #2, 1926

Jeff Moore
Elko, NV

As close as I could find:

53413 Std 15x24 44” 2-6-2 Soft Coal 6/1920 10-24 ¼ -D
H. G. Bohlssen Manufacturing #1
Angelina Hardwood Lumber #1
Southland Paper Mills #1, Herty, Texas
Waco, Beaumont, Trinity & Sabine River #1, Trinity, Texas

Specification information appears in the SMU Baldwin Spec book Volume 65 page 31 and following three pages. This is the missing 136 of the class.

(This also happens to be the PDF double page number 31 and 32)

The BLW classification covers some rather different locomotives: the 2-6-2 in question, #1, has piston valves (superheated?) and asymmetrical driver axle spacing.

This locomotive is 10-24 ¼ -D-160. Slide valves, symmetrical driver axle spacing. Built for Allison Lumber Co., owner of the S&C.



Some locomotives in the 10-24 ¼ -D class had larger diameter boilers, some tapered and some straight.

Seems like a very strange "classification" system....

Howard P.

Nobody commented on the RR's nickname (apparently well deserved): Wobble, Bobble, Turn over and Stop.

Baldwin diesel classes were also confusing.

Reading Company had its 1000 HP Baldwin shifters in two classes: VO1000 (with 8 cyl VO engine) and DS 4-4-1000 (with 8 cyl 608NA engine) in one class and DS 4-4-1000 (with 6 cyl turbo 606TC engine) in another.

Some PRR Baldwins were better known by their PRR classes: PRR BP20 Passenger Sharks (BLW DR-6-4-2000) and PRR BP60/BH50 Centipedes (BLW DR-12-8-1500/2)

Phil Mulligan

Howard P wrote “ Seems like a very strange "classification" system..”

Yes, yes it is. Baldwin classes up until 1938 were largely based on number of wheels, cylinder diameter, number of drivers, and pilot/trailing trucks. Thus for this class the code means the following:

10- number of wheels
24- Indicates 15” cylinders
1/4- Indicates presence of both pilot and trailing trucks
D- Indicates three sets of driving wheels.

Given the structure the class could and did encompass a vast array of locomotive sizes.

The following website explains the system fairly well:

https://www.trains.com/trn/railroads/hi ... on-system/

Jeff Moore
Elko, NV

@Jeff
many thanks for your help. You are a real encyclopedia, great!

My problem is that I have no access to the construstion number list.
I have only the SMU public available records and as you mention in the index this one is missing.
I then checked the most logical 62, 65 and 71 but not find it.
Thanks to Brian Norden I found it in 65. My fault that I not found before.
Yes it is 10-24-1/4-D,136.
That pages are very very very light scans - almost unreadable. That maybe the reason this engine
is not listed on Wes Barris database.

Again thanks to all for help!

The construction lists are available through the following page on the SMU website:

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digi ... mode/exact

Unlike the specification books these are not available for full scrolling on the website, to access them click on whatever series of numbers you are interested in seeing, on the next page you will get a scan of the front page and the catalog information. To the right of the top of the image there will be a "search this record" box, above the right side of that box there should be two buttons for Print and Download. Click the Download button, that entire book should then download and open as a PDF file.

Hope this helps. And you're welcome! And thanks to Brian for providing the Volume and Page information on the specifications for this locomotive!

Jeff Moore
Elko, NV