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 Post subject: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:18 pm 

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Hey guys. As you can remember, about a year ago, there was a talk in the steam locomotive rumors chat, and one person said that J1 6435 was never scrapped. I also heard about a J1 at the bottom of horseshoe curve, and one buried under the Duck under in the Pitcarin, Pa yard. Could one of these rumored J1's be 6435? Also, one more question. How many surviving J tenders are there? There is at least one up where 4483 is, and is there another one?


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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:17 pm 

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I think one was seen by a group out "Squatching".


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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:32 pm 

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the extra tender that the 4483 group has is NOT from a J....






PRR #6659 Class 210F75A Tender

The WNYRHS also owns a PRR "Coast to Coast" tender class 210F75A, removed from an M1 locomotive. Water and Coal capacity's respectively were 21000 gallons and 31 tons. It is believed to be one of the last "16" wheel tenders in existence. The M1 at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania is displayed with a 12 wheel tender. The tender was converted to one large water tank by the Pennsy before the HRCV Corp. recieved ownership before the Society. The stoker and the ubiquitous "Dog House" were removed presumably to facilitate its conversion, and when the Society gets it's permanent home, this will be the tender displayed with the I1sa. Tender is now in storage in North Collins, New York.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:44 pm 

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I can't place where I had read it, but I remember mention of a Pennsy engine in a quarry.................


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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:26 pm 

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Monocacy quarry,PRR B-8,dont know road# or if its really down there,


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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:16 pm 

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I remember seeing a 16 wheel tender down by a coaling tower in 1981, in Hagerstown, Md. Anyone know what happened to that. Oh, I also heard about that B-8 story, sadly, it's a myth.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:22 pm 

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The big PRR tender being discussed, at Hamburg (area), NY is the former Hagerstown Yard tender in question, acquired by Historic Red Clay Valley, Inc./Wilmington & Western in 1982 or 1983, immediately after a photo of it showed up in Trains Magazine on a "Would You Believe It?" page of odd photos sometime in 1981. It was reportedly used as a fuel tank for diesels at the yard.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:45 am 

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Does anyone remember that Model Railroader fictional story in the early 1970's describing a reclusive branch line with rare steam locomotives that hauled powdered Jello? It may have been an April Fools story. I was like 7 or 8 years old at the time, and it took me a year to realize the story was not real.

It was a pretty creative story. One paragraph talked about a rare Pennsy turbine or NYC Hudson that was lost because the train derailed at a river and the engine sank in liquid Jello.

Just shows how our imagination can get the best of us.

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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:23 am 

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Thats interesting there Pancake Head as U were part of the discussion,

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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:54 pm 

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Get back on topic people.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:32 am 

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Rumored "buried/sunken" steam locomotives have been a decades-long "fetish" of several folks here, including one of the founders of this website. Search this forum if you must. I'm sure the alleged "J1 buried at the Curve" has been rehashed at least once, if not three times or more. You may also find much discussion of the practicality, or lack thereof, of burying wrecked locomotives.

Suffice it to say that we could shut down all of Norfolk Southern and dig up the entire Horse Shoe Curve and environs strip-mining style, find no evidence whatsoever of this alleged loco or any other, and those who swear by the legend would continue to insist "you didn't dig in the right place". Or say "It rusted away, you fools! If only we had dug sooner!"


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:56 am 

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The subject 4-4-2 was found in a barn fixed up and toured the "finest layouts" of the day.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:42 pm 

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That's pretty cool, there was a few rumors about some damaged Milwaukee road cars, damaged in world war 2, turns out the rumors were true. Now there are two rumors about the j1, they say one is at the bottom of horseshoe curve, another says a j is under the duckunder in Pitcairn. Now since there is a specific place listed, and some people swear (NOT FOAMERS) that the engine is down there, I would go to try to find the "J" in Pitcarin. I would notify Norfolk southern, get a couple of metal detectors, and if I find something below ground, start shoveling. There is a possibility rumors are true, so to clarify they are, you have to search for them.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR J1 6435, and J1 tenders
PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:28 am 

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A metal detector is not the proper tool for finding a lost locomotive. It does not detect deep enough and it will be distracted by all the junk buried just below the surface. What is needed is a magnetometer, but they are relatively expensive and not readily available for rental. Magnetometers find a magnetic anomaly. Readings are taken at station points, and the magnetic field is shown in a topographical map. A buried locomotive will produce a very large and obvious anomaly signature.

The signature will not prove the existence of a locomotive, because it could be caused by other items made of iron, and having a total mass similar to that of a locomotive. But a lack of any significant magnetic anomaly will prove that there is no locomotive there.

If people confirm that there is a class J1 buried where you say it is, what is the story about how that came to be? Surely, the people who know it is there also know how it got there.


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