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 Post subject: Frisco 4500
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:34 am 

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Painted up for movement and donation to Tulsa, Oklahoma in May 1954, at Springfield, Missouri:

http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?j ... sf4500.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: Frisco 4500
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:18 pm 

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How many of the Frisco's 25 Northern's were originally painted up in this "Meteor" tender paint scheme? Anyone know?

Les


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 Post subject: Re: Frisco 4500
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:45 pm 

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Why did such a big, modern engine like SL-SF 4500 have a dome throttle rather than a multiple-valve throttle?

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 Post subject: Re: Frisco 4500
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:01 pm 

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As I recall from some previous research regarding this particular locomotive, there were four. They were the 4500-4503. I could be mistaken and there were only three, in which case the road #'s were 4500-4502. They were all oil burners primarily for passenger service while the rest of the fleet were coal burners. There is an out of print book on Frisco steam power that I have in my personal library, but I am currently out of town, so confirmation will have to wait unless someone else has the book.

Howard - when I looked at this engine a few years back, I had the same question - relatively modern engine with a dome throttle... methinks they were friction bearing on the drivers as well...

Mike


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 Post subject: Re: Frisco 4500
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:27 pm 

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There were three of them 4500-4502, oil burners and the remaining 22 were coal burners.
Dome throttles, friction bearings. Wartime engines for a railroad that wasn't rolling in dough, but good maintenance and operating practice made them do yeoman's work.
They followed the Burlington's O5 design very closely as no new designs were allowed during the war. They were good engines.
Frisco saved four of them for display.


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 Post subject: Re: Frisco 4500
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:05 pm 

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Thanks for the information gentlemen! Now another question; of the four 4500's preserved (4500, 4501, 4516 and 4524), the first two were originally "Meteor" locomotives. Are both of these preserved with the Meteor painting on their tenders?

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 Post subject: Re: Frisco 4500-dome throttle valves
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:18 pm 

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Howard,

I recall hearing that the Frisco had "issues" with scale jamming up multiple valve throttles and elected to use dome type instead.


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 Post subject: Re: Frisco 4500
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:23 pm 

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4501 was just repainted back into the blue and white scheme last week. It does not yet have the "METEOR" logo on the tender - yet. Researching the finer points of this cosmetic restoration have been difficult due to lack of official documentation on paint colors and lettering diagrams. We have yet to find an in-service color photo of any of the 4500s in the blue and white scheme.

Ben Kroger
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 Post subject: Re: Frisco 4500
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:07 pm 

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The 4500 was donated to Tulsa in the Meteor scheme. 4501 for whatever reason was just shoved in the roundhouse from the dead line, lubricated and sent to Dallas with no paint or restoration done, very un-Frisco like. I never did figure out why they did that.
The group in Springfield, MO repainted the 4524 several years ago and painted the attractive FFF logo and striping on the tender. That made the freight 4500s a very attractive engine. I wish they wouldn't have painted the tires and counterbalances white on the '24, but that's life.
When Clark Hungerford took over the Frisco, rumor has it that he saw a 4500 with the FFF and asked "How much tonnage does that paint pull". They were ultimately repainted without the plumage, as were the all the passenger engines. What a shame.


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 Post subject: 4501 question
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:11 am 

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Does the 4501 still have asbestos lagging present or was it removed as was done on many of the other SL-SF locomotives before donation?


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 Post subject: Re: 4501 question
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:23 pm 

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I don't know what the "A" word situation is. I do know Frisco was religious about removing it and leaving the space between the boiler shell and the jacketing open. Pretty thoughtful for back in the '50s.
I inspected the 4500 several years ago and the shell was pristine at that time after all those years. I didn't see one staybolt sleeve or anything that would need to be replaced in an operable restoration.


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