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 Post subject: Railroads In Iraq
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:55 am 
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I'm over here in southern Iraq working for KBR doing Recovery. Our recovery team had a 16 hour mission yesterday and we passed through Al Najaf in southern Iraq. I've seen the main north-south rail line off of the main highway. but this was the first time I've seen actual engines, etc...

In Najaf I saw some tank cars and some covered hoppers at a cement plant. I did see some large looking diesels but it was at night so I couldn't really identify them. Coming back through Najaf the next morning i saw a railyard with more freight.

I'm assuming the engines do run, because the cement plant operates.

Anyone have any info iraq railroads, or first hand accounts.

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 Post subject: Re: Railroads In Iraq
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Jeff- A guy I used to work with was in the Naval Reserves (Seabees) and was sent over a couple of years ago specifically to work on the railways. I haven't talked to him since he got back but that must at least mean the railways are in use.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:41 am 
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I had read in an official book put out by the DoD that rail service reopened in late 2003 in Baghdad. I'm sure like you said that the USA was involved in reopening some portions of rail traffic.

The tank cars I saw in Najaf, I would assume were carrying oil possibly or some form of petroleum. That far south would mean the product came from Kuwait, but the north-south line through Nasiriyah looked pretty beat up and not in use in a few years. Of course a lot of the infastructure here looks like that but is in service everyday.

I know this doesn't directly pertain to preservation, but I find it interesting to see a working rail line in a country which is patched together.

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 Post subject: Re: Railroads In Iraq
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:08 am 
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Did find some interesting links online;

UK comp. of info.
http://www.ajg41.clara.co.uk/iraqrailways.html

Plus some steam info;
http://www.ajg41.clara.co.uk/iraq/locom ... html#steam

UK Ministry of Defence website, rebuilding of Basra line.
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/phot ... ailway.htm

Nice video clip;
http://vodpod.com/watch/1187137-100-yea ... still-runs

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 Post subject: Re: Railroads In Iraq
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:26 am 
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Not to keep post-hogging, but some great steam photos from 1967;
http://www.gwrarchive.org/site/sitel2pg ... 70326.html

Keep hitting the next image button.

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 Post subject: Re: Railroads In Iraq
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:20 pm 

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Trains Magazine had an extensive on-the-scene cover story by former editor Mark Hemphill, who was also in Iraq as a contractor, a couple years ago. You might be able to seek out that issue.

Also: http://www.trains.com/trn/default.aspx?c=a&id=2601 (may not be available to non-subscribers).

(Note: I find it a bit of a flaw that I can't search the magazine's website to find out when that cover story was.........)


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 Post subject: Re: Railroads In Iraq
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:46 pm 

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That 2-8-0 looks to be in very good condition. This photo from the link you posted:

http://www.gwrarchive.org/site/sitel2pg ... 70324.html

appears to be the remains of a streamlined Pacific. Very interesting!

Edit- more complete sister loco photo here: http://www.gwrarchive.org/site/sitel2pg ... 70332.html

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 Post subject: Re: Railroads In Iraq
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:22 pm 
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Regarding steam only:

Of the ones pictured in that album, the one plinthed in front of Bagdad West station was still there; at least before the war, and 1429 still survives. None of the rest have been reported; although a Sentinel steam rail switcher was spotted outside the railway workshops in Bagdad.

An Iraqi Petroleum 2-8-4T was reported spotted on a siding in Mosul; though this sighting has not been confirmed.

On a smaller scale; when the Iraqis invaded Kawait, they took back with them a Crown Metal Products 4-4-0 steam locomotive and trainset, and placed them in Zawra Park amusement park in Bagdad. Once again, I don't know how well it fared during the war.

Those are all of the steam sightings that have crossed my desk to date. Any others would be gladly welcomed.

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 Post subject: Re: Railroads In Iraq
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:19 am 
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Thanks for the responses, I enjoy these leads. Would be nice to do some railfanning, but highly unlikely. If I see anything else, I'll be sure to post about it, pics may be harder as I'm on time constraints outside the wire.

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Came across this little gem today, I have no idea when the picture was taken, well before OIF, maybe even the first Gulf War as well in front of the Railway Headquarters in Baghdad.

Apparently built by Borsig 1912. (?)

http://gwrarchive.org/scripts/imgdisplay.php

http://gwrarchive.org/site/sitel2pg/Iraq/iraq.php


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Another shot of the same locomotive;


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Interesting read from 1928;

http://fuchs-online.com/iraq/files/The_ ... l_1928.pdf

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survivingworldsteam wrote:
An Iraqi Petroleum 2-8-4T was reported spotted on a siding in Mosul; though this sighting has not been confirmed.



A model of said loco.
http://www.andrewgrantham.co.uk/iraq/tag/steam-loco/

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>Trains Magazine had an extensive on-the-scene cover story
> by former editor Mark Hemphill, who was also in Iraq as a contractor,
> a couple years ago. You might be able to seek out that issue.

I have a copy of the Trains back-issue DVD, so if someone will provide me the particular date I can provide a synopsis.

If I may make a recommendation: Trains Magazine has its own forums, and at one time Mark Hemphill was a regular participator. If you were to post this question over there, I think you might get him to reply in detail.

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 Post subject: Re: Railroads In Iraq
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Overmod wrote:

If I may make a recommendation: Trains Magazine has its own forums, and at one time Mark Hemphill was a regular participator. If you were to post this question over there, I think you might get him to reply in detail.


I've yet to see the article in Trains, but some of his photos and reports have been posted around the web.

He was senior consultant for the IRR from 2005-2007.

Railway Age magazine apparently had an article by him in November 2006.

Interestingly enough, one of the recovery missions our department went on from Camp Cedar II in early 2010 was a KBR tractor trailer that was struck by a train in Nasiriyah.

I wasn't on that mission, but did see the truck at the maintenance yard. It was totaled.

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