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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, Bill Purdie, Jim Bistlin
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:24 pm 
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I'd love to see 2716 return in her C&O Livery. We need a C&O steam loco to be restored, one thats still in C&O Livery.

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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, C&O 2716
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:52 pm 

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Did/does C&O 2716 have a booster? There appears to be exhaust from the trailing truck.


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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, C&O 2716
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:59 pm 

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wesp wrote:
Did/does C&O 2716 have a booster? There appears to be exhaust from the trailing truck.



She does. In a couple of videos on You Tube the booster can be clearly heard while the main drivers are slipping.


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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, Bill Purdie, Jim Bistlin
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:15 pm 

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Txhighballer,

Thanks for confirming what I thought I was hearing!!!

Wesley


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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, Bill Purdie, Jim Bistlin
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:53 am 

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Thanks for posting these! Great memories!!!
Bruce


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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, Bill Purdie, Jim Bistlin
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:14 pm 

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''SOUTHERN'' 2716 was a favorite of mine.
Too bad her career was sidelined.
Great to see all those ''steam people'' again, too.
Thanks for sharing.


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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, Bill Purdie, Jim Bistlin
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:32 pm 

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Another YT user posted clips from "Six Hire Guns" a documentary style with most of the old SOU Steam Program Locomotives:

Six Hired Guns - PART 1 - Canadian Pacific Royal Hudson 2839
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEzksl6ON38

Six Hired Guns - PART 2 - Chesapeake and Ohio 2716
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JLQq3pIStc

Six Hired Guns - PART 3 - Southern 722 and S&A 750 doubleheaded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKEMXk3Cno4

Six Hired Guns - PART 4 - Southern 4501
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtKSq9psWtU

Six Hired Guns - PART 5 - Southern 4501 and Texas and Pacific 610
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY_ug4IdJ2A&feature=plcp

Now here SOU (C&O) 2716 today:

Chesapeake & Ohio 2716 (Museum Tour), 07-31-2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhI3R3ScVhs

Enjoy! ^_^

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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, Bill Purdie, Jim Bistlin
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:06 pm 

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How long it's been! So, so many things gone now, or changed; love to see not only the steam engine, but the heavyweight cars in green (and it seems so few tourist roads or excursions run with those anymore, which were also the best riding cars ever built), classic lineside details like signals and whistle posts, even some jointed rail, and of course, so many of the people have passed on. . .

The 2716 seems like it must have been a nice, loud engine, including its air compressors. I bet Bill Purdie loved having this modern, high-capacity, roller-bearing, booster-equipped engine, at least until firebox issues sidelined it.

All this got me curious, and I found a video clip with some slipping, but most notably several sequences where the booster is clearly heard:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32229

For a while, the engine did run some excursions in its C&O form. I can't find videos of it, but there are some very nice photos available, including this one:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 028&nseq=4

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 064&nseq=3

The master at work:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 17&nseq=93


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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, Bill Purdie, Jim Bistlin
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:34 pm 
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J3a-614 wrote:
How long it's been! So, so many things gone now, or changed; love to see not only the steam engine, but the heavyweight cars in green (and it seems so few tourist roads or excursions run with those anymore, which were also the best riding cars ever built), classic lineside details like signals and whistle posts, even some jointed rail, and of course, so many of the people have passed on. . .

The 2716 seems like it must have been a nice, loud engine, including its air compressors. I bet Bill Purdie loved having this modern, high-capacity, roller-bearing, booster-equipped engine, at least until firebox issues sidelined it.

All this got me curious, and I found a video clip with some slipping, but most notably several sequences where the booster is clearly heard:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32229

For a while, the engine did run some excursions in its C&O form. I can't find videos of it, but there are some very nice photos available, including this one:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 028&nseq=4

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 064&nseq=3

The master at work:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 17&nseq=93


I have a special attachment to C&O, probably because they're the ones that ran the rail line through my county before CSX tore it up in 1985 (Lexington Sub.). I wish there was a C&O 2-8-4 restored to operation. On an off-topic note... I'm working with one of my substitute teachers, on at least trying, to get a historical society going in Olive Hill, KY. Being 16, and in school; we'll have to wait and see how that goes.

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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, Bill Purdie, Jim Bistlin
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:17 am 

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J3a-614 wrote:
The 2716 seems like it must have been a nice, loud engine, including its air compressors. I bet Bill Purdie loved having this modern, high-capacity, roller-bearing, booster-equipped engine, at least until firebox issues sidelined it.

All this got me curious, and I found a video clip with some slipping, but most notably several sequences where the booster is clearly heard


The main instance of 2716 with the booster was on the Southern's Appalachia Division (the former Interstate RR mainline) between Appalachia and Norton, VA in May 1982. Basically the whole thing boiled down to a very heavy train, wet rail, no diesel assistance available, and some absolutely horrible coal. Rather ironic to get bad coal in the heart of coal country, but such was the case.

From people who were there on the train (and chasing), the coal was so bad they couldn't keep enough steam pressure. The situation went like this....build pressure, get going, pressure drops, train brakes come on, 2716 stalls, repeat. They ended up having to hand-fire the engine to supplement the stoker to make the hill.

Ron Flanary did a big article in Railfan & Railroad at the time, and there is both video and audio that was commercially released from the trips. Main Line Motion Pictures released a full video at the time covering the entire weekend, and I believe Menkel Sounds released an audio cassette. It was simply a case of being at the right place at the right time.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the 2716 firebox cracks that developed by mid-July could be traced back to the Appalachia runs. With the bad coal, the 2716 was pushed to its limit and beyond on those runs.



J3a-614 wrote:
For a while, the engine did run some excursions in its C&O form. I can't find videos of it, but there are some very nice photos available


It's hard to find, but the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society put together a 30 minute video of the 2716 operations in 1996, including the break-in runs (with freight) and excursions. Doubt it was ever issued on dvd however.
Kevin


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 Post subject: Re: Early NS Steam Program Footage, Bill Purdie, Jim Bistlin
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:13 am 

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I iz an idiot--posted the wrong link to the 2716 with slips and an audible booster! Here is where she really is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gUailWC ... re=related

Thanks for finding the other material on this engine and all else. Once again, we must thank the people who have the passion for this, and the willingness to share it.


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