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 Post subject: Surviving GN Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:50 am 
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Okay, continuing on a theme here:

Thought I'd go ahead and start a thread concerning the cars of the GN, seeing as how my disposition list is nowhere near complete. Living on the western end of GN territory, I have an interest in finding out where they all went!

As before, with the SOU-CofG list, I'll go about this in a logical manner and split the roster into manageable sections, starting again with: sleepers.

Total of 70 GN-CB&Q-SP&S sleepers:

P-S, 1946-47, Lot #6751:

Ten Cars, Plan #4107, 1946-47, 8RM-4S-4DB "Pass"-Series:

GN #1160 "Gunsight Pass"
GN #1161 "Ptarmigan Pass"
GN #1162 "Dawson Pass"
GN #1163 "Piegan Pass"
GN #1164 "Logan Pass"
GN #1165 "Triple Divide Pass"
GN #1166 "Lincoln Pass"

No disposition information on these seven whatsoever.

GN #1167 "Cut Bank Pass" transferred to CB&Q #1167 at unknown date (1955?). To Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in 1969.

CB&Q #1168 "Red Gap Pass" transferred to GN #1168 in 1955. No disposition information whatsoever.

CB&Q #1169 "Swift Current Pass" wrecked at St. Paul on 10/5/1949. Car was rebuilt in Lot #6895 in 1951 as GN #1169. Was the 1951 rebuild a new car or an actual rebuild of the wrecked car? No disposition information whatsoever.

I read over on MEXLIST that some of the 1947 "Pass"-series sleepers (I don't which ones, or how many) were sold to Mexico and became the "Galaxy"-series sleepers. #588 "Andromeda", for example, but I haven't been able to find out anything more about that sale.

Ten Cars, Plan #4108, 1947, 16RM-4DB "Glacier"-Series:

GN #1170 "Blackfoot Glacier"
GN #1171 "Ahern Glacier"

No disposition information on these two whatsoever.

GN #1172 "Grinnell Glacier" to MofW #968204. No further information.

GN #1173 "Hanging Glacier"
GN #1174 "Many Glacier"

No disposition information on these two whatsoever.

GN #1175 "Oberlin Glacier" reconfigured 1956 to 8RM-2DB 27 seat buffet lounge sleeper #1198 "Manitoba Club" (Plan #4108B). To BN as #A25 "St. Croix River" for executive service. Sold to Northern Rail Car in 1981 as "North Star". Amtrak registration #800289. To St. Louis Car Company. To John Wilson-North Star Charters. To Orrville RR Heritage Society-Ohio Railway Supply as FLNX #3. Painted for Presidential Election of 2004 as "Rail Force One". Now used by the FEC for executive service as "St. Augustine", still FLNX #3. Often used in conjunction with FEC sleeper lounge observation "Azalea".

GN #1176 "Sexton Glacier". No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1177 "Harrison Glacier" reconfigured 1956 to 8RM-2DB 27 seat buffet lounge sleeper #1199 "Winnipeg Club" (Plan #4108B). No disposition information whatsoever.

CB&Q #1178 "Sperry Glacier". To Denver Railcar as DRCX #1178 for use on Mexican-American Railways based in Nogales. Was this car part of the DRCX equipment auction in San Antonio? Disposition?? Current whereabouts??

CB&Q #1179 "Siyeh Glacier". No disposition information whatsoever.

Five Cars, Plan #4109, 1947, 2DB-1DR Buffet Lounge Observation "River"-Series:

GN #1190 "Mississippi River" (1st) reconfigured in 1955 to 4DB-1C-6RM lounge observation "Choteau Coulee" (Plan #4109K). Rebuilt in 1967 to 68 seat coach #1300. To BN #6801. To Amtrak in 1971 as #6801. Retired in 11/1977. No further information.

GN #1191 "Missouri River" (1st) reconfigured in 1955 to 4DB-1C-6RM lounge observation "Twelve Mile Coulee" (Plan #4109K). Rebuilt in 1967 to 68 seat coach #1301. To BN #6802. To Amtrak in 1971 as #6802. Retired in 11/1977. Sold to Bruce Moore-Big Pasco Industrial Park in Pasco, WA, at unknown date. To Northwestern Rail Equipment as NRE #1191 and stored in Walla Walla, WA.

GN #1192 "Flathead River" reconfigured in 1955 to 4DB-1C-6RM lounge observation "Corral Coulee" (Plan #4109K). Rebuilt in 1967 to 68 seat coach #1302. To BN #6803. To Amtrak in 1971 as #6803. Retired in 9/1975. No further information.

GN #1193 "Kootenai River" (1st) reconfigured in 1955 to 4DB-1C-6RM lounge observation "Rocky Coulee" (Plan #4109K). Rebuilt in 1967 to 68 seat coach #1303. To BN #6804. To Amtrak in 1972? as #6804. Retired in 8/1977. Sold to Bangor & Aroostook as BAR #602. Was for sale by Ozark Mountain Railcar. Sold to private owner.

CB&Q #1194 "Marias River" reconfigured in 1955 to 4DB-1C-6RM lounge observation "Trail Coulee" (Plan #4109K). No disposition information whatsoever.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6828:

One Car, Plan #4107, 1950, 8RM-4S-4DB "Pass"-Series:

SP&S #700 "Indian Pass". No disposition information whatsoever.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6829:

Two Cars, Plan #4163, 1950, 6RM-3DB 22 Seat Buffet Lounge "Mount"-Series:

SP&S #600 "Mount Hood" to BN #1205. Retired and stored in 1971. Donated in 1972 to the Pacific Northwest Chapter NRHS as PNWC #600. Amtrak registration #800198.

SP&S #601 "Mount St. Helens" to BN #1206. Retired and stored in 1971. Sold to Arvid Benson at unknown date. Sold to Mike Gelhaus-Inland Pacific Rail as INPX #601. Painted in NP Loewy Two Tone Green and is part of Mr. Gelhaus' large collection of ex-NP/CB&Q/SP&S equipment from the North Coast Limited/Mainstreeter. Mr. Gelhaus also owns NP dome buffet sleepers #309 & #313, dome coaches #549 (NP) & #557 (CB&Q), 24-8 Slumbercoach #327 "Loch Lomond", day-night coach #581 (ex-Holiday Lounge #487), and Lewis & Clark Traveller's Rest #496.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6877:

Sixteen Cars, Plan #4180, 1950, 6RM-5DB-2C "Pass"-Series:

GN #1370 "Rogers Pass". No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1371 "Pitamakin Pass" transferred to CB&Q #1371 in 1953. To BN as #A20 "Big Horn Pass" (2nd) for executive service. No further information. Current whereabouts??

GN #1372 "Akamina Pass"
GN #1373 "Santiam Pass"
GN #1374 "Park Creek Pass"

No disposition information on these three whatsoever.

GN #1375 "Jefferson Pass" to BN as #A21 for executive service. No further information. Current whereabouts??

GN #1376 "Hart Pass"
GN #1377 "State Pass"

No disposition information on these two whatsoever.

GN #1378 "Firebrand Pass" transferred to CB&Q #1378 in 1953. No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1379 "Big Horn Pass" (1st)
GN #1380 "Suiattle Pass"
GN #1381 "Haines Pass"

No disposition information on these three whatsoever.

GN #1382 "Blewett Pass" transferred to CB&Q #1382 in 1953. Sold to NdeM in 1971 as #640 "Malaga". Was waiting to be scrapped at Huehuetoca in 2000.

GN #1383 "Inuya Pass" sold to NdeM in 1971 as #648 "Paris". No further information.

GN #1384 "Lewis & Clark Pass" to Amtrak in 1972? as #2450. Retired in 11/1977. Sold to private owner at unknown date. To Thomas J. Jaite at unknown date and located at the Mad River & Nickel Plate Historical Society in Bellevue, OH.

SP&S #701 "Wapinitia Pass" to BN #1385. To MofW as bunk car #968212. Donated to Northwest Railway Museum in Snoqualmie, WA, in 1983. Currently stored in BN MofW red paint.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6878:

One Car, Plan #4109A, 1950, 2DB-1DR Buffet Lounge Observation "River"-Series:

GN #1197 "Priest River" reconfigured in 1955 to 4DB-1C-6RM lounge observation "Grand Coulee" (Plan #4109K). Rebuilt in 1968 to 68 seat coach #1304. To BN #6805. To Amtrak in 1972? as #6805. Retired at unknown date and stored. Sold to Howard & Peggy Thornton in 10/1985 as the "Mistletoe II" and located at the Oklahoma Railway Museum.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6883:

One Car, Plan #4107, 1950, 8RM-4S-4DB "Pass"-Series:

GN #1180 "Stevens Pass" (1st). No disposition information whatsoever.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6889:

Sixteen Cars, Plan #4181, 1950, 4S-7RM-3DB-1C "River"-Series:

GN #1260 "Skykomish River" reconfigured to 7RM-6DB-1C in 1963 (Plan #4181A). To BN as #A22 "Stevens Pass" (2nd) for executive service. To BNSF as #69. Amtrak registration #800503. Sold to Ozark Mountain Railcar in 2003 as OMRX #100.

GN #1261 "Sun River". No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1262 "Snohomish River" reconfigured to 7RM-6DB-1C in 1963 (Plan #4181A). To Amtrak in 1971 as #2400. Retired in 7/1981. No further information.

GN #1263 "Milk River" reconfigured to 7RM-6DB-1C in 1963 (Plan #4181A). No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1264 "Bad Axe River" reconfigured to 7RM-6DB-1C in 1963 (Plan #4181A). To Amtrak in 1971 as #2401. Retired in 7/1981. No further information.

GN #1265 "Chumstick River" to MofW #968019. No further information.

GN #1266 "Sheyenne River" transferred to CB&Q #1266 in 1953. Sold to Steamtown Foundation in Bellows Falls, VT, at unknown date. To Eric Wilde in Sandwich, MA, at unknown date.

GN #1267 "Skagit River" (1st) to MofW #968020. No further information.

GN #1268 "Mouse River". No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1269 "Poplar River" transferred to CB&Q #1269 in 1953. To National Railroad Museum at unknown date.

GN #1270 "Tobacco River". No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1271 "Fraser River" sold to NdeM at unknown date as #647 "Barcelona". Was waiting to be scrapped at Huehuetoca in 2000.

GN #1272 "Spokane River". No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1273 "Pend Oreille River" transferred to CB&Q #1273 in 1953. To Lake Superior Railroad Museum at unknown date. Leased to the Lake Shore Chapter NRHS and located in North East, PA.

GN #1274 "Bois De Sioux River" reconfigured to 7RM-6DB-1C in 1963 (Plan #4181A). To Amtrak in 1971 as #2402. Retired in 11/1977. No further information.

SP&S #702 "Snake River". No disposition information whatsoever.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6890:

Eight Cars, Plan #4108A, 1950, 16RM-4DB "Glacier"-Series:

GN #1181 "Kintla Glacier". No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1182 "Agassiz Glacier" to Wyoming State Fair at Douglas, WY, at unknown date.

GN #1183 "Hudson Glacier"
GN #1184 "Chaney Glacier"
GN #1185 "Paradise Glacier"
GN #1186 "Pumpelly Glacier"
GN #1187 "Tahoma Glacier"
GN #1188 "Two Ocean Glacier"

No disposition information on these six whatsoever.

Sources:

1. Sleeper information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

2. Amtrak information from "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon. Ordering information at: http://on-track-on-line.com/pdfs/orderform-otol.pdf

3. GNRHS Reference Sheet #227 at: http://www.gnrhs.org/ref_sheet_227.htm

4. Ben Ringnalda's list of surviving GN passenger cars at: http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEThisMonthsFeature.php

5. BRHS list of surviving CB&Q passenger cars at: http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/remain_passenger.html

6. Friends of the BN passenger car roster pages at: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/bnpassmain.htm

7. Friends of the BN business car roster page at: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/bnbusscar.htm

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving GN Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:00 am 
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One round-end obs from the Tacoma (I think) Andy's Diner is now privately owned, located at the towing company on Snoqualmie Pass, near Lake Kecheelus.

Also, one BN passenger car, which I believe is former Great Northern, which also came from that Andy's Diner is used off and on as vendor space at Country Village in Bothell, WA.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:07 am 
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One round-end obs from the Tacoma (I think) Andy's Diner is now privately owned, located at the towing company on Snoqualmie Pass, near Lake Kecheelus.

Also, one BN passenger car, which I believe is former Great Northern, which also came from that Andy's Diner is used off and on as vendor space at Country Village in Bothell, WA.


Thanks, Weekendrailroader, for the info!

The observation car would be the "Trempealeau Mountain", which was constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3447, a 36 seat buffet lounge observation with three roomettes serving as dormitory space (there were six total, and five survive today). It was one of two such cars sold to the Andy's Diner operation in 1974. The Tukwila location, where the "Trempealeau Mountain" and "St. Nicholas Mountain" (which is now owned by Eric Hopp) were used, closed in the 1990's (I forget when exactly) and the cars were auctioned off.

The Seattle location, which is no longer Andy's Diner, is made up of a number of heavyweight cars, some of which reportedly came from the Oregon Electric--look closely and you'll notice interurban-style windows. I'd have to do some digging to find out which cars.

The Tukwila location also used GN coach #1128 (P-S, 1947, Lot #6718, Plan #7496), which last I knew was owned by John Holmstrom and located in Ocean City.

Interesting that the "Trempealeau Mountain" is up at Lake Keechelus. I had known that it was still in Washington State, but the private owner had asked for its location to be kept under wraps--apparently he wanted to avoid having vandalism occur. Maybe it's moved since then, or the owner decided to make its location known. Either way, thanks for the info!

As for the car in Bothell, I didn't know about that one and I'm curious to find out more. I had wondered about the other ex-Andy's cars, as I knew my info was incomplete. Again, thanks for the info!

Part Two, which will be coming later, will consist of dining, café, and lounge cars, including all six of the "Mountain" cars.

Part Three will consist of coach and head end cars.

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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GN #1267 "Skagit River" (1st) to MofW #968020. No further information.

to BN work service, to Railway Restoration, to Mexico, tossed off bridge in Mexico, scrapped?

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GN #1183 "Hudson Glacier"

to BN work service, scrapped? (Got a labeled berth ladder as a Xmas present one year for some reason)

The BN in the late 70s - early 80s converted several sleepers to work service at Como Shops, St. Paul, MN.

The program was ended when they found that they couldn't keep the cars warm or cool enough, they then started buying "out-house on a raft" crew accommodations.

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Great Northern 1148 "Devils Lake"
(PS LW lunch counter - diner - dorm rblt. from lunch counter - lounge - dorm)

Here in GN paint
http://www.gn-npjointarchive.org/GNRHSNewby/GNRHS.Newby.Bk4img078.jpg

Here is a link to what it looks like now...N&W inspired paint and lettered for the Roanoke Chapter NRHS
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3109537

Car is presently stored and used rarely on runs at the Virginia Museum of Transportation in Roanoke VA. Car still belongs to the Roanoke Chapter and is used by Chapter on short caboose and passenger car hops at the museum. Also member of the Roanoke Chapter also owns a GN light Weight Baggage Car and is still in GN MofW paint lettered for Signal Dept. stored in Chapter facility in Roanoke VA.

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Here is a surprise for you apparently:
The Minnesota Transportation Museum has been assembling a fleet of GN light and heavyweight cars. A few of the finds you have mentioned would probably have a good home in St. Paul.
http://www.mtmuseum.org/?div=jsr&page=equipment
GN 1146 below...
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Thanks, Olin, for posting the photo!

I'll be posting Parts Two & Three soon, which will include the 7 lightweight GN cars at Jackson Street Roundhouse, as well as other surviving cars which are in museum collections.

Part Two: dining, café, and lounge cars

Part Three: coach and head end cars

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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No problem, Mr. Rainy.
By the way, you need not hunt long for the OE interurban car backgrounds. PNAERC is a traction fans friend. The cars are no longer at an Andy's Diner, but serving another OE.... the Orient Express.
http://www.bera.org/cgi-bin/pnaerc-query.pl?sel_curown=Orient%20Express%20Restaurant

The online data software they made is very good, but if Frank and Jeff get the updated version out of beta release, they just may have the best searchable railway database system out there. I hope people working on research projects such as yours would adopt it or something similar.


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o anderson wrote:
No problem, Mr. Rainy.
By the way, you need not hunt long for the OE interurban car backgrounds. PNAERC is a traction fans friend. The cars are no longer at an Andy's Diner, but serving another OE.... the Orient Express.
http://www.bera.org/cgi-bin/pnaerc-query.pl?sel_curown=Orient%20Express%20Restaurant

The online data software they made is very good, but if Frank and Jeff get the updated version out of beta release, they just may have the best searchable railway database system out there. I hope people working on research projects such as yours would adopt it or something similar.


Thanks, Olin! For some odd reason, it didn't cross my mind to check the BERA PNAERC Hicks-Hakner database! Silly me! The Seattle location of Andy's Diner closed several years ago, and the cars didn't move an inch, as the restaurant property soonafter reopened as the Orient Express.

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There is an ex-GN lightweight car converted to a bar in Elbe, WA. I'll see if I can find a number on it anywhere and post a photo, too. Also, although it's heavyweight, there's an ex-GN RPO converted to a pizza place on the same property. I'll take a pic of it as well, just for good measure.

And while we're talking about ex-GN equipment, the Mt. Rainier Scenic Railroad owns a mail/baggage/rider car that was used as the depot in Elbe until 2006.

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Thanks to Drew, Hudson, Steve, Olin, and Brian for the responses!

Finally got around to posting:

Part Two: Dining, Café & Lounge Cars:

P-S, 1947, Lot #6718:

Five Cars, 1947, Plan #7498, 21 Seat Coffee Shop-Lounge-Dormitory "Lake"-Series:

Built for and assigned to the 1947 Empire Builder. Reassigned to the Western Star in 1951.

18 bunks in dormitory space, cars were reconfigured to coffee shop-dinette-dormitory in 1951.

GN #1140 "Waterton Lake"
GN #1141 "St. Mary Lake"
GN #1142 "Two Medicine Lake"
GN #1143 "Coeur D'Alene Lake"

No disposition information on these four whatsoever.

CB&Q #1144 "Red Eagle Lake" transferred to GN #1144 in 1955. To BN MofW as #968123. Sold to Bruce Moore-Big Pasco Industrial Park in Pasco, WA. To Northwestern Rail Equipment as NRE #1144. Stored in Walla Walla, WA, still in BN MofW red paint.

Five Cars, 1947, Plan #7499, 36 Seat Diner "Lake"-Series:

Built for and assigned to the 1947 Empire Builder. Reassigned to the Western Star in 1951.

GN #1150 "Lake Superior" to BN #1150 to #150. Sold to NdeM at unknown date. No further information.

GN #1151 "Lake McDonald" to BN #1151 to Amtrak in 1971 as #8065. Retired. No further information.

GN #1152 "Lake Chelan" to BN #1152 to Amtrak in 1971 as #8066. Retired. No further information.

GN #1153 "Lake Josephine" to BN #1153 to Amtrak in 1971 as #8067. Retired. No further information.

CB&Q #1154 "Lake Michigan" reconfigured to 42 seats in 1952. Transferred to GN #1154 in 1955. To BN #1154. Renumbered/refurbished to #A12 for executive service in 1973 with 46 seats. Sold to Railway Equipment & Transportation Company in 1983 and refurbished for C&NW executive service. Sold to C&NW as #450 "Cedar River". To UP via merger in 1995. Sold to North Carolina DOT as RNCX conference car-diner #400210 "Core Sound" (1st) for use on Amtrak's Piedmont. Sold in 2006 to West End Station Restaurant in Elizabeth City, NC. Painted Tuscan Red.

P-S, 1947, Lot #6768:

Two Cars, 1947, Plan #7540, 36 Diner:

Originally built for and assigned to the Texas Special. I don't know which trains these two cars were assigned to after being purchased in 1966.

SLSF #650 "Alexander Doniphan" sold to GN in 1966 as #1156 "Lake Pepin". To BN #1156. Sold to Sierra Western Railroad Company at unknown date as SW #156. Painted in SP Daylight colors for use on Eureka Southern-North Coast Daylight excursions on the Northwestern Pacific. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, car stored in Asti, CA, alongside SW #151 (ex-GN Ranch Car #1242 "Hidden Lake"). SW #156 sold to Jon Clark. For sale 2013.

MKT #1100 "Sam Houston" sold to SP&S in 1966 as #406 "Willamette". To BN #1257. Scrapped at unknown date.

GN, 1949:

One Car, 1949, Coffee Shop-Dormitory "Lake"-Series:

I don't know which train this car was assigned to. 1947 Empire Builder? If so, was it also transferred to the Western Star in 1951? Were the #1148 and #1155 additional "protection" cars for the Builder?

GN #1148 "Devil's Lake" sold to N&W?? in 1972 as #1220?? To Roanoke Chapter NRHS as RNRH #1220 "Carol W. Jensen". Renumbered back to #1148. N&W Tuscan Red paint. Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. Was this car originally a coffee shop-lounge-dormitory and reconfigured to a coffee shop-dinette-dormitory in 1951 the same as the #1150-#1154?

P-S, 1949, Lot #6852:

One Car, 1949, Plan #7499, 36 Seat Diner "Lake"-Series:

I don't know which train this car was assigned to. 1947 Empire Builder? If so, was it also transferred to the Western Star in 1951? Were the #1148 and #1155 additional "protection" cars for the Builder?

GN #1155 "Lake Washington" reconfigured to cafeteria car in 1968. To BN. No disposition information whatsoever.

AC&F, 1950, Lot #3124:

Two Cars, 1950, 24 Seat Diner 28 Seat Coach:

Built for and assigned to the International.

GN #1145 to Amtrak #8400. Retired and stored in New Orleans, 1974. Sold to unknown party in 1978. Burned at unknown date and location. To Naparano Iron & Metal Co. in Newark, NJ. Scrapped sometime in the 2000's.

GN #1146 to Amtrak #8401. Transferred to MofW department as #16308. Sold to Alfred K. Nippert-Gator Rail Tours circa 1979. To Louisiana Railway Heritage Trust in Kenner, LA. Sold to Bob Moen and moved to Hooper, NE as CBRX #1146. Bob had the car painted, one side in Big Sky Blue and the other in Empire Builder Orange & Green. Sold to Eric Hopp as ERIX #1146 and moved to the Minnesota Transportation Museum in St. Paul. Located at the Jackson Street Roundhouse.

AC&F, 1950, Lot #3125:

One Car, 1950, 41 Seat Coffee Shop-Diner Lounge Observation "River"-Series:

Built for and assigned to the Red River.

GN #1147 "Red River" reconfigured to 68 seat coach in 1962 as #1147. To BN as #6800. Stored in 1972 until sold to Amtrak in 1974 as #6800. Retired in 1977. Sold to private owner in 1978. To Great Western Tours as GW #568. To Pacific Northwest Chapter NRHS as PNWC #6800 "Red River". Painted in SP Daylight colors for use with SP #4449. Located at new ORHF roundhouse/coach yard with other PNWC/PRPX/DLMX-owned equipment.

AC&F, 1950, Lot #3126:

Two Cars, 1950, 29 Seat Lounge Observation "Port"-Series:

Built for and assigned to the International.

GN #1195 "Port of Seattle" to Amtrak #3770. Retired and sold to Keystone Country Furniture in Aspers, PA. The Minnesota Transportation Museum had shown interest in acquiring the #1195, and a purchasing agreement was reached with the private owner who had purchased the car after Keystone Furniture had gone out of business. The car was still located in the back of the old Keystone property when it was set ablaze on November 11th, 2005. The purchase of the car by MTM became enveloped in a court case, the outcome of which I have no information on. To my knowledge, the fire-damaged #1195 is still located in Aspers, not having moved an inch.

GN #1196 "Port of Vancouver" to Amtrak #3771. Retired and sold to Peter Schultz. To Larry Milsow as #1196 "City of Spokane". Amtrak registration #800362. Based in Spokane, WA. Was recently in Seattle for the AAPRCO 2013 Convention Train to Napa, CA. Painted in GN Green & Orange, with "GREAT NORTHERN" in the letterboard and the addition of the GN Goat Herald in Gold Leaf next to the vestibule. Restored neon sign on the rear of the car reads "THE CITY OF SPOKANE" surrounding the Goat Herald in the center.

AC&F, 1950, Lot #3445:

Six Cars, 1950, 44 Seat "Ranch" 14 Seat Coffee Shop-12 Seat Dinette-18 Seat Lounge "Lake"-Series:

Built for and assigned to the Mid-Century Empire Builder.

GN #1240 "Crossley Lake" wrecked at unknown date and subsequently scrapped by BN in 1971. Any info on the wreck as to when and where??

GN #1241 "Running Crane Lake" to Amtrak #8150 in 1972. Retired and sold to Nicolet Badger Northern. Sold to Golden State Limited-Silver Iris. Sold to Dr. Louis Steplock-Westport Railway Corporation Foundation as WPRX #1241. Leased to the Willamette & Pacific/Portland & Western Railroad (WPRR) for use with their ex-AT&SF business car "Casper Mountain" (ex-AT&SF #35/#57).

GN #1242 "Hidden Lake" to Amtrak #8151 in 1972. Retired and sold to Sierra Western Railroad Company as SW #151 for use on Eureka Southern-North Coast Daylight excursions on the Northwestern Pacific. Painted in SP Daylight colors. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, the #151 was stored in Asti, CA, alongside ex-GN (nee-SLSF) diner "Lake Pepin". Sold to Matt Munson in approx. 2008. Has this car been moved, or is it still in Asti??

GN #1243 "Iceberg Lake" transferred to CB&Q #1243 in 1953. To Amtrak #8152 in 1972. Retired and sold to Bob Moen as CBRX #1243 and moved to Charles City, IA. Relocated to the Mad River & Nickel Plate Historical Society in Bellevue, OH. Was there another owner before Bob acquired this car, and is he still the owner??

GN #1244 "White Pines Lake" sold to Arvid Benson at unknown date and moved to Moorehead, MN. Sold to Ralph Day-Biddeford Station and relocated to Biddeford, ME. Sold to Barry Fromm-Depot Conference Center and relocated to Columbus, OH.

GN #1245 "Whitefish Lake" to Amtrak #8153. Retired and sold to Sierra Western Railroad Company as SW #153. Unlike the #1242 "Hidden Lake", Sierra Western did not repaint the #1245 into SP Daylight colors. Likely used as a parts source for the #1242. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, #153 was stored in Willits, CA. Acquired by the Roots of Motive Power museum in Willits and is now open to the public in near-original condition.

AC&F, 1950, Lot #3446:

Six Cars, 1950, 36 Seat Diner "Lake"-Series:

Built for and assigned to the Mid-Century Empire Builder.

GN #1250 "Lake of the Isles" transferred to CB&Q #1250 in 1953. To Lake Superior Railroad Museum in 1976.

GN #1251 "Lake Wenatchee" to Amtrak #8068 (reconfigured to 48 seats). Retired and sold to Lake Shore Chapter NRHS in North East, PA.

GN #1252 "Lake Ellen Wilson". No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1253 "Lake Union" to Amtrak #8069 (reconfigured to 48 seats). No further information.

GN #1254 "Lake Minnetonka" sold to NdeM at unknown date. No further information.

GN #1255 "Lake of the Woods". No disposition information whatsoever.

AC&F, 1950, Lot #3447:

Six Cars, 36 Seat Buffet Lounge Observation "Mountain"-Series:

Built for and assigned to the Mid-Century Empire Builder.

GN #1290 "Appekunny Mountain" to BN #1200. Sold to Grant Supply Company at unknown date as GS #1290. Painted in SP Daylight colors for use on the 1984 World's Fair Daylight to New Orleans and return. Amtrak registration #800005. Sold to Arizona & California as ARCZ #100 for use on their California Northern line. Based at Napa Junction, CA.

GN #1291 "St. Nicholas Mountain" transferred to CB&Q #1291 in 1953. Renumbered #2408. To BN #2408. Sold to Andy's Diner in 1974 and used at the Tukwila, WA, location alongside #1294 "Trempealeau Mountain". After the Tukwila location closed, the #1291 was sold to Ken Bitten-Northern Central Railway. To Ben Ringnalda and Eric Hopp as ERIX #1291. Undergoing restoration on the WMSR at Ridgeley, WV.

GN #1292 "Going-to-the-Sun Mountain" to BN #1201. Sold to Great Northern Bar at unknown date in Milwaukee. To Kansas City Union Station-Kansas City Rail Experience. Refurbished and open to the public.

GN #1293 "Cathedral Mountain" to BN #1202. Sold to Empire Builder Antiques at unknown date in Walla Walla, WA.

GN #1294 "Trempealeau Mountain" to BN #1203. Sold to Andy's Diner in 1974 and used at the Tukwila, WA, location alongside #1291. After the Tukwila location closed, the #1294 was sold to a private individual and is currently located near Lake Kecheelus on Snoqualmie Pass in Washington State.

GN #1295 "Little Chief Mountain". Wrecked at unknown date and location. Subsequently scrapped.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6870:

One Car, 1950, Plan #7599, 12 Seat Parlor 32 Seat Diner:

Built for and assigned to the Portland Section of the Mid-Century Empire Builder.

SP&S #405 "Columbia" to BN #1256. Stored, Como Shops. Sold at unknown date to Weston Station Restaurant in Alexandria, MN.

Budd, 1955, Lot #9679-155:

Six Cars, 1955, 109 Seat "Great Dome Lounge" "View"-Series:

Built for and assigned to the 1955 Empire Builder.

75 angled seats in dome, 34 seats in lower lounge.

GN #1390 "Glacier View" to Amtrak #9360. Retired and sold to BN as #A24 for executive service. Amtrak registration #800075. To BNSF as #24. Renumbered to #30.

GN #1391 "Ocean View" to Amtrak #9361. Converted to head end power (HEP) as #9300 and assigned to the Auto Train. Reassigned to rotating service in 1996 when the Auto Train was reequipped with the new Superliner II fleet built by Bombardier. Refurbished and renumbered #10031. Still in active Amtrak service. Used on the Adirondack, Pacific Surfliner (the remaining Amfleet/Horizon set), and special runs throughout the course of the year. Was recently sidelined in LA for several months after sustaining damage to one of the three-axle trucks during a switching move in the coach yard. Was repaired in LA, moved to Beech Grove for a short time, and was placed into the regular "Fall Colors" rotation on the Adirondack in upstate New York. Regular "special run" assignments include the Reno Fun Train over Donner Pass and the Leavenworth Snow Train over Stevens Pass.

GN #1392 "Mountain View" to Amtrak #9362. Converted to HEP as #9301 and assigned to the Auto Train. Reassigned to rotating service in 1996. Refurbished and renumbered #10030. Was slated for truck replacement at Beech Grove, but instead it was retired due to budget cuts and sold in 2001 to Henry Hillman-Oregon Rail Corporation for use on the American Orient Express as the "New Orleans". Amtrak registration #800742. Sold to Xanterra. Planned American Railway Explorer name was "Yellowstone". After the ARE project was cancelled, transferred to the Grand Canyon Railway. Refurbished/repainted at Williams and renamed "Grand Canyon".

GN #1393 "Lake View" to Amtrak #9363. Retired and sold to SP. SP wanted the three-axle trucks for business car #141 "Oakland" and scrapped the car! in 1983 at Oakland.

GN #1394 "Prairie View" to Amtrak #9364. Retired at unknown date and stored at Beech Grove for use as a parts source, including the removal of the trucks. Sold to BN in 1993. Sold to Holland America Westours in 1994. Refurbished and renamed as "Deshka", using three-axle trucks from an AT&SF Budd-built business car. Amtrak registration #800606. Sold to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande in 2009. Refurbished and entered regular PV charter service as SLRG #1394 "Prairie View" in GN Empire Builder Green & Orange. Mr. Ed Ellis, the head of Iowa Pacific, has remarked that the reason he decided to paint the #1394 in GN paint instead of IC paint like most of the fleet was because he remembers riding on the #1394 many years ago.

CB&Q #1395 "River View" to Amtrak #9365. Converted to HEP as #9302 and assigned to the Auto Train. Reassigned to rotating service in 1996. Like the #1392 "Mountain View", the #1395 was slated for truck replacement at Beech Grove, but also ended up being retired due to the budget cut and was also sold in 2001 to Henry Hillman-Oregon Rail Corporation for use on the American Orient Express as the "Copper Canyon". Amtrak registration #800743. Sold to Xanterra. After the ARE project was cancelled, transferred to the GCRY along with the #1392. Refurbished/repainted at Williams, retaining the name "Copper Canyon".

P-S, 1955, Lot #6965:

One Car, 1955, Plan #7648, 27 Seat Buffet Lounge 32 Seat Coach:

Originally built for and assigned to the Texas Special. I don't know which train this car was assigned to after being purchased in 1967.

MKT #1301 "Temple" sold to SP&S in 1967 as #309. To Amtrak in 1971 as #3926. Retired and sold to the Lake Shore Chapter NRHS in North East, PA.

Unknown:

GN 48 seat diner #1296. No additional info. Can anyone clarify?

Sources:

1. Information on the Mid-Century Empire Builder from GNRHS Reference Page #227 at: http://www.gnrhs.org/ref_sheet_227.htm

2. Amtrak information from "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon. Ordering information at: http://on-track-on-line.com/pdfs/orderform-otol.pdf

3. Ben Ringnalda's list of surviving GN passenger cars at: http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEThisMonthsFeature.php

4. BRHS list of surviving CB&Q passenger cars at: http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/remain_passenger.html

5. Friends of the BN passenger car roster pages at: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/bnpassmain.htm

6. Friends of the BN business car roster page at: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/bnbusscar.htm

7. Information on the MKT and SLSF cars of the Texas Special and the Meteor at: http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?1242-Streamlined-Cars/page2

8. Information on GN #1146 and the International from the Minnesota Transportation Museum website at: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=gn1146

9. Information on the Mid-Century Empire Builder from the MTM website at: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?div=jsr&page=1951_builder

10. Information on the 1947 Empire Builder from the MTM website at: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?div=jsr&page=1947_builder

11. Information on the International from the MTM website at: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?div=jsr&page=1950_international

12. Eric Hopp's website on GN #1146 at: http://www.erixrailcar.com/

13. Ben Ringnalda's website on GN #1291 "St. Nicholas Mountain" at: http://www.stnicholasmountain.com/

14. Phil Dohmen's DOME MAIN page on the GN "Great Dome Lounge Cars" at: http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/GNf/

15. Phil Dohmen's DOME MAIN page on the CB&Q "Great Dome Lounge Car" at: http://trainweb.org/web_lurker/CBQf/

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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[quote="speeder3"]There is an ex-GN lightweight car converted to a bar in Elbe, WA. I'll see if I can find a number on it anywhere and post a photo, too. Also, although it's heavyweight, there's an ex-GN RPO converted to a pizza place on the same property. I'll take a pic of it as well, just for good measure.

Here is a photo of the ex-GN RPO #229 that is now a pizza place in Elbe, WA, and ex-GN lightweight car #1114 (per a stencil on the frame) that is now a bar.

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Thanks, Brian, for posting the photos and car ID's!

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What I know about GN cars is very limited, but the picture of 1114 would appear to have radio antenna stanchions on the roof and 4 wheel HW trucks under the hood. Was this a lounge or a coach? I would suspect someone has "harvested" the trucks for use elsewhere? Any ideas on the other car with 1114?

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etalcos wrote:
What I know about GN cars is very limited, but the picture of 1114 would appear to have radio antenna stanchions on the roof and 4 wheel HW trucks under the hood. Was this a lounge or a coach? I would suspect someone has "harvested" the trucks for use elsewhere? Any ideas on the other car with 1114?

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The #1114 was one of five 60-seat short-distance coaches constructed by P-S in Lot #6718 to Plan #7495 for the 1947 edition of the Empire Builder. #1110-#1113 were owned by GN and the #1114 was owned by CB&Q. When the GN ordered a second group of new cars for the Builder in 1950 (the Mid-Century edition), the 1947 cars, including #1110-#1114, were transferred to the new Western Star.

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