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 Post subject: Surviving NYC Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:56 pm 
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Overview:

Car Builders:

The NYC ordered or acquired secondhand a total of 1,220 lightweight cars between 1938 and 1965, from five manufacturers.

P-S: 646
Budd: 296
AC&F: 153
StLCC: 100
Pressed Steel Car Co: 25

NYC Lots:

The NYC assigned each group of cars a four digit lot number*; specifically lightweight cars were assigned to lots between #2129 and #2265. For example, P-S prewar sleepers were assigned to lots #2210-#2226.

*Heavyweight cars were assigned both four and three digit lot numbers.

Subsidiaries:

Besides NYC, lightweight cars were also lettered for subsidiaries Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis (CCC&StL, commonly known as the Big Four) and Michigan Central (MC).

Sleepers:

NYC did not assign numbers to sleeping cars (both heavyweight and lightweight) until 1952, at which point sleepers currently on the roster were assigned five digit numbers in the #1xxxx-range. For example, the 31 Budd 22RM Harbor-Series sleepers were assigned numbers #10350-#10380.

Effective July 1st, 1958, NYC cancelled its operating contract with the Pullman Company, at which point all remaining sleepers were removed from Pullman lease.

Roster Organization:

To keeps things straightfoward, I've split the roster into prewar and postwar lightweights, and then by type.

Note on Car Dispositions:

Much of the info on pre-1980 car dispositions is taken from Randall's "Streamliner Cars" volumes, and in his introduction, Randall makes note that the 1968 Penn Central merger resulted in many of the car records being either incomplete or incorrect, so some confusion was inherent in the information that was available at the time Randall was conducting his research.

This state of records confusion is also apparent in the Pullman CCR database, particularly in regards to NYC sleepers that were sold for service in Mexico.

SCD at that time was still operating sleepers under Pullman contract, and as Pullman began processing paperwork for these ex-NYC sleepers, it was found that not all sleepers could be positively identified by their former Pullman-assigned names, so there are several instances of ex-NYC sleepers (backtracing from their Mexican names) that have multiple possible histories, although this appears to be more of a problem with heavyweight sleepers than with lightweights.

Part One: Prewar Lightweights:

Sleepers:

All prewar sleepers ordered by NYC were built by P-S.

4DB-4C-2DR Imperial-Series:

14 Cars, P-S, Lot #6540, Plan #4069B, 1938, NYC Lot #2211:

Ordered in June 1937, delivered between March and April 1938, and placed in service between April and May 1938. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945. Names changed from Imperial-Series to Bridge-Series in 1949. The six cars sold to ACL in 1962 were reconfigured to Plan #6013 4C-4DR River-Series sleepers.

#10020 Imperial Canyon to Henry Hudson Bridge sold in 1958 to CN #1183 and renamed Gunning Cove sold in 1969 to Mandak Metal Processors (Selkirk, MTB).

#10021 Imperial Castle to Bear Mountain Bridge sold in 1962 to ACL and reconfigured to Savannah River sold in 1973 to Amtrak as parts source. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#10022 Imperial Falls to Bay Bridge sold in 1962 to ACL and reconfigured to Ortega River sold in 1968 to D.J. Joseph (Cincinnati).

#10023 Imperial Court to Castleton Bridge sold in 1958 to CN #1182 and renamed Auld Cove sold in 1968 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10024 Imperial Forest to George Washington Bridge sold in 1962 to ACL and reconfigured to Cape Fear River sold in 1968 to D.J. Joseph.

#10025 Imperial Mansion to High Bridge sold in 1962 to ACL and reconfigured to Suwanee River sold in 1968 to D.J. Joseph.

#10026 Imperial Bay to Queensboro Bridge sold in 1967 to Judge Roy Hofheinz-Astrodomain (Houston) and later (when??) scrapped.

#10027 Imperial Palace to Thousand Islands Bridge sold in 1958 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM #149 Golfo de Mexico and later (when??) scrapped.

#10028 Imperial Garden to Triboro Bridge sold in 1958 to CN #1184 and renamed Chinook Cove sold in 1967 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10029 Imperial Arch to Suspension Bridge sold in 1962 to ACL and reconfigured to Manatee River sold in 1968 to D.J. Joseph.

#10030 Imperial Chateau to International Bridge sold in 1965 to Jones Properties and renamed Sharon Lee. Current status unknown.

#10031 Imperial Fountain to Rip Van Winkle Bridge sold in 1962 to ACL and reconfigured to Kissimmee River sold in 1968 to D.J. Joseph.

#10032 Imperial Highlands to Eads Bridge sold in 1958 to IC and renamed Gilman sold in 1968 to Tampo Manufacturing (San Antonio) sold in 201? to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #9119 Gilman.

#10033 Imperial House to Brooklyn Bridge sold in 1958 to IC and renamed Galena sold in 1968 to Texas Transportation Museum (San Antonio) sold in 2013 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #9120 Galena.

9 Cars, P-S, Lot #6571, Plan #4069D, 1939, NYC Lot #2219:

Ordered in December 1938, delivered between July and August 1939, and placed in service in August 1939. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945.

#10001 Imperial Sceptre sold in 1958 to CN #1189 and renamed Seal Cove sold in 1968 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10002 Imperial Sovereign retired in 1959 and sold in 1960 to Edwards International to NdeM #147 Golfo de California scrapped in 1970.

#10004 Imperial Jewel sold in 1962 to IC and renamed Hattiesburg sold in 1968 to Luria Brothers and scrapped in 1970.

#10005 Imperial Mountain sold in 1962 to Jones Properties and renamed Mary Elizabeth sold (when??) to CHP #514 Bahia de Macapule later SCD #417 Golfo de Monterey. Current status unknown.

#10006 Imperial State sold in 1962 to IC and renamed Homewood sold in 1968 to Luria Brothers and scrapped in 1970.

#10007 Imperial Valley sold in 1962 to IC and renamed Hyde Park sold in 1968 to Luria Brothers and scrapped in 1970.

#10010 Imperial Chamber sold in 1962 to IC and renamed Haleyville sold in 1968 to Luria Brothers and scrapped in 1970.

#10011 Imperial Queen sold in 1958 to CN #1187 and renamed Brilliant Cove sold in 1968 to Fonda Steel & Foundry (Lachine, QUE).

#10017 Imperial Estate renamed in 1950 to Imperial Manor sold in 1962 to IC and renamed Hazelhurst sold in 1968 to Midwest Travel Service #7777 and renamed Mistletoe (Oklahoma City) sold in 1980 to Rail Passenger Services (Tucson) sold (when??) to Arizona Railway Museum as Imperial Manor, painted stainless steel.

11 Cars, P-S, Lot #6617, Plan #4069E, 1940, NYC Lot #2223:

Ordered in November 1939, delivered and placed in service between September and October 1940. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945.

#10000 Imperial Chariot sold in 1958 to IC and renamed Greenville sold in 1968 to Phillip Belz (Lakeview, MS), later moved to Tampa, sold (when??) to Gray Tuttle-Waccamaw Coast Line as WCLR #10000 Greenville sold (when??) to Carolina Southern sold in 2012 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #9117 Greenville.

#10003 Imperial Domain sold in 1962 to Jones Properties and renamed Angela Ann sold in 1968 to SBC Xicotencatl. Current status unknown.

#10008 Imperial City sold in 1958 to CN #1185 and renamed Ship Cove sold in 1968 to Lomer Gouin Auto (St. Therese, QUE). Current status unknown.

#10009 Imperial Temple sold in 1958 to CN #1188 and renamed Kings Cove sold in 1968 to Universal Steel & Metal (Montreal).

#10012 Imperial Fleet sold in 1962 to IC and renamed Harvey sold in 1968 to Luria Brothers and scrapped in 1970.

#10013 Imperial Dome sold in 1962 to IC and renamed Hammond sold in 1968 to Luria Brothers and scrapped in 1970.

#10014 Imperial Carriage sold in 1962 to Edwards International sold in 1964 to NdeM #291 Golfo de Cortes. Current status unknown.

#10015 Imperial Crown sold in 1958 to IC and renamed Grenada sold in 1968 to Railco sold in 2013 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #9118 Grenada.

#10016 Imperial Emblem sold in 1962 to Jones Properties and renamed Alan Hardman. Current status unknown.

#10018 Imperial Empire sold in 1959 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM #148 Golfo de Darien, later SCD #148, later Bananafish Tours #8117 Sandra Linda. Current status unknown.

#10019 Imperial Majesty sold in 1958 to CN #1186 and renamed Beaver Cove sold in 1968 to Mandak Metal Processors.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. IC passenger car roster pages: http://icrr.net/passenger.htm

5. Arizona Railway Museum roster page: http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/roster.html

6. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website: http://passcarphotos.info/

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving NYC Lightweight Cars
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I show Imperial Crown becoming IC Grenade and then owned in the 1970s by C. A. Rasmussen and being part of the Overland Rail Tours fleet and lettered as Grenade.

I recall when the car was being readied for painting when owned by Mr. Rasmussen.

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Thanks, Brian, for the info on NYC Imperial Crown/IC Grenada! That section of the car's history was previously unknown.

Does anyone know who owned the Imperial Crown/Grenada after Craig Rasmussen and before Iowa Pacific?

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Besides NYC, lightweight cars were also lettered for subsidiaries Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis (CCC&StL, commonly known as the Big Four) and Michigan Central (MC).


You sure you don't mean heavyweights? I haven't seen any evidence that any subsidiary had lightweight cars (the P&LE cars were acquired from the L&N in 1970, as a Penn Central subsidiary, with one ex-C&O 52-seat coach being acquired from the Allegheny County Port Authority, date unknown), though this might have occurred... will have to do some checking...

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According to the CCR database, lightweight sleepers were indeed sold to the Big Four and MC, but I don't know for certain if the cars were actually lettered as such. I'll cross reference cars noted as sold to MC or Big Four with available photos on Terry Link's website to check for said lettering.

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My lack of sleep must be getting to me... I didn't even think about Tom's CCR file. I did check Terry's site and there is not any reference there about the cars being acquired by a subsidiary.

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The lightweight sleepers listed as sold to either Big Four or MC represent a small fraction of the total number ordered by NYC, specifically all prewar examples of only one configuration: 10RM-5DB Cascade-Series sleepers:

Big Four is listed as owning 3: Cascade Channel, Cascade Springs, and Cascade Whirl.

MC is listed as owning 7: Cascade Crystals, Cascade Elf, Cascade Faun, Cascade Glade, Cascade Glen, Cascade Lane, and Cascade Rainbow.

Checking Terry Link's website, only one of these 10 cars, the Cascade Elf (#10050), has a photo available:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-cascade-elf.jpg

I see no such lettering for MC, however, I'm wondering if the lettering was initially applied and later blanked over, as I'm guessing the photo is from a later date: note that the name has been crossed out, possibly right after or right before the car was sold to Edwards International in 1960.

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The crossed out name and number indicates the car was retired, a common practice even today on many roads.

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My thoughts exactly.

Hopefully an earlier photo of one of the 10 Cascade sleepers will turn up, confirming whether or not subsidiary lettering was ever applied.

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Part One: Prewar Lightweights, Continued:

Sleepers, Continued:

10RM-5DB Cascade-Series:

12 Cars, P-S, Lot #6542, Plan #4072A, 1938, NYC Lot #2213:

Ordered in June 1937, delivered in April 1938, and placed in service in May 1938. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945. Changed to Plan #4072G in 1954.

#10055 Cascade Dawn sold in 1959 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM Mar Mediterraneo*. Current status unknown.

*Madden has the spelling as Mediterraneo, and Randall has the spelling as Mediterranea.

#10056 Cascade Glory sold in 1959 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM Mar Tirreno. Current status unknown.

#10057 Cascade View sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar de Creta. Current status unknown.

#10060 Cascade Ripple sold in 1959 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM Mar Baltico. Current status unknown.

#10061 Cascade Woods sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar de Bering. Current status unknown.

#10062 Cascade Valley sold in 1959 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM Mar de Irlanda. Current status unknown.

#10063 Cascade Vale sold in 1959 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM Mar del Coral. Current status unknown.

#10076 Cascade Spirit sold in 1959 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM Mar Rojo. Current status unknown.

MC #10077 Cascade Glade sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar Blanco. Current status unknown.

MC #10078 Cascade Glen sold in 1958 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM Mar Jonico*. Current status unknown.

*Madden has the spelling as Jonico, and Randall has the spelling as Janico.

#10079 Cascade Grotto sold in 1959 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM Mar Adriatico. Current status unknown.

#10080 Cascade Rocks sold in 1959 to Edwards International sold in 1960 to NdeM Mar Caspio. Current status unknown.

8 Cars, P-S, Lot #6565, Plan #4072B, 1939, NYC Lot #2216:

Ordered in August 1938, delivered and placed in service in June 1939. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945. Changed to Plan #4072H in 1954.

MC #10050 Cascade Elf sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar del Norte. Current status unknown.

MC #10051 Cascade Rainbow sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar Amarillo. Current status unknown.

#10064 Cascade Mist sold in 1958 to CP and renamed Cloverdale scrapped in 1968.

#10065 Cascade Moon sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar de China. Current status unknown.

MC #10073 Cascade Faun sold in 1958 to CP and renamed Armdale scrapped in 1968.

#10074 Cascade Marble sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar del Japon*. Current status unknown.

*Madden has the spelling as Japon, and Randall has the spelling as Japan.

MC #10075 Cascade Lane sold in 1958 to CP and renamed Brookdale donated in 1968 to Canadian Historical Association (Delson, QUE), later (when??) to Elgin County Railway Museum (St. Thomas, ONT).

#10081 Cascade Green sold in 1958 to IC and renamed Destrehan redesignated in 1965 as dormitory #1997 scrapped in 1967.

13 Cars, P-S, Lot #6610, Plan #4072C, 1940, NYC Lot #2225:

Ordered in November 1939, delivered and placed in service between June and July 1940. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945. Changed to Plan #4072I in 1954.

#10052 Cascade Stream sold in 1960 to Edwards International to NdeM Mar de Marmara*. Current status unknown.

*Madden has the spelling as Marmara, and Randall has the spelling as Marmora.

#10053 Cascade Waves sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar de Java, later SCD #210 Gerencia General. Current status unknown.

#10054 Cascade Wonder sold in 1958 to IC and renamed Dyersburg redesignated in 1967 as dormitory #2002 sold in 1968 to Luria Brothers and scrapped.

CCC&StL #10058 Cascade Springs sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar de Timor. Current status unknown.

#10059 Cascade Torrent sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar de Liguria. Current status unknown.

MC #10066 Cascade Crystals sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar de Noruega. Current status unknown.

#10067 Cascade Run sold in 1958 to CP and renamed Riverdale scrapped in 1968.

#10068 Cascade Summit sold in 1958 to IC and renamed Durant redesignated in 1967 as dormitory #2000 sold in 1968 to Luria Brothers and scrapped.

CCC&StL #10069 Cascade Whirl sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar del Plata. Current status unknown.

#10070 Cascade Whisper sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar de Groenlandia*. Current status unknown.

*Madden has the spelling as Groenlandia, and Randall has the spelling as Greenlandia.

CCC&StL #10071 Cascade Channel sold in 1958 to IC and renamed Decatur redesignated in 1967 as dormitory #2001 sold in 1968 to Luria Brothers and scrapped.

#10072 Cascade Spray sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar de Filipinas. Current status unknown.

#10082 Cascade Waters sold in 1960 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Mar Negro. Current status unknown.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. IC passenger car roster pages: http://icrr.net/passenger.htm

5. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website: http://passcarphotos.info/

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*Madden has the spelling as Groenlandia, and Randall has the spelling as Greenlandia.


Several other sources also say Grolandia. Mar de Groelandia is Spanish for Greenland Sea.

Would also suspect that the other conflicts in listings also lean towards Tom Madden's listings.

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Part One: Prewar Lightweights, Continued:

Sleepers, Continued:

17RM-1S & 18RM City-Series:

10 Cars, P-S, Lot #6539, Plan #4068E, 1938, 17RM-1S, NYC Lot #2210:

Ordered in June 1937, delivered between March and April 1938, and placed in service between April and May 1938. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945. Sold to CN in 1958.

#10300 City of Dayton to CN #2033 Westchester sold in 1968 to Fonda Steel & Foundry (Lachine, QUE).

#10301 City of Detroit to CN #2034 Westgate sold in 1967 to Mandak Metal Processors (Selkirk, MTB).

#10302 City of Albany to CN #2028 Westbank sold in 1967 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10303 City of Boston to CN #2029 West End sold in 1967 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10304 City of Indianapolis to CN #2035 Westport sold in 1968 to Universal Steel & Metal (Montreal).

#10305 City of Rochester to CN #2036 West Shelford sold in 1968 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10306 City of Chicago to CN #2031 West River renamed in 1965 to Westwood sold in 1968 to Universal Steel & Metal.

#10307 City of Cleveland to CN #2032 Westville sold in 1968 to Gulf Iron & Metal (Lachine, QUE).

#10308 City of Toledo to CN #2037 Westwold sold in 1968 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10309 City of Buffalo to CN #2030 Westlock sold in 1969 to Mandak Metal Processors.

8 Cars, P-S, Lot #6570, Plan #4068H, 1939, 18RM, NYC Lot #2218:

Ordered in December 1938, delivered and placed in service between June and July 1939. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945. Sold to CN in 1958.

#10310 City of Worcester to CN #2044 South Megnetawan sold in 1969 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10311 City of Utica to CN #2050 South River renamed in 1965 to South Field sold in 1969 to Mandak Metal Processors.*

*Another source lists this car as being converted to baggage-14RM sleeper #9485 in 1974.

#10312 City of Springfield to CN #2041 South Nelson sold in 1969 to Universal Steel & Metal.

#10313 City of Syracuse to CN #2042 South Parry sold in 1968 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10314 City of Ann Arbor to CN #2038 South Bend sold in 1966 to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10315 City of Lansing to CN #2046 South Durham burned in 1961.

#10316 City of Pittsfield to CN #2039 South Brook sold in 1969 to Fonda Steel & Foundry.

#10317 City of South Bend to CN #2049 South Porcupine sold in 1969 to Mandak Metal Processors.

6 Cars, P-S, Lot #6616, Plan #4068J, 1940, 18RM, NYC Lot #2222:

Ordered in November 1939, delivered and placed in service in September 1940. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945. Sold to CN in 1958. All cars retired and sold in 1969.

#10318 City of Poughkeepsie to CN #2048 South Paris to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10319 City of Schenectady to CN #2040 South Elbow to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10320 City of Peoria to CN #2047 South March to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10321 City of Troy to CN #2043 Southport to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10322 City of Yonkers to CN #2051 Southwood to Mandak Metal Processors.

#10323 City of Kalamazoo to CN #2045 South Branch to Fonda Steel & Foundry.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website: http://passcarphotos.info/

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Part One: Prewar Lightweights, Continued:

Sleepers, Continued:

13DB County-Series:

8 Cars, P-S, Lot #6541, Plan #4071A, 1938, NYC Lot #2212:

Ordered in June 1937, delivered April 1938, and placed in service in May 1938. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945.

#10533 Onondaga County sold in 1961 to Edwards International?? sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra de Ixtlan. Current status unknown.

#10539 Dutchess County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Mojada. Current status unknown.

#10546 Cook County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Sierra Tarahumara. Current status unknown.

#10547 Cuyahoga County sold in 1961 to Edwards International?? sold in 1962 to NdeM #357 Sierra Madre, later CHP #512 Bahia de Ohuira. Current status unknown.

#10548 Lucas County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Nevada. Current status unknown.

#10549 Monroe County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra de Oaxaca. Current status unknown.

#10550 Westchester County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1961 to NdeM Sierra Morena. Current status unknown.

#10551 Niagara County sold in 1961 to Edwards International?? sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Grande. Current status unknown.

6 Cars, P-S, Lot #6572, Plan #4071B, 1939, NYC Lot #2220:

Ordered in December 1938, delivered and placed in service in July 1939. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945.

#10530 DeKalb County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Leona. Current status unknown.

#10537 Elkhart County sold in 1967 to Ringling Brothers. Current status unknown.

#10540 Oneida County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Azul. Current status unknown.

#10541 Sandusky County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Verde. Current status unknown.

#10542 Erie County sold in 1961 to Edwards International?? sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Fria. Current status unknown.

#10543 Herkimer County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Gorda, later SCD. Current status unknown.

8 Cars, P-S, Lot #6618, Plan #4071C, 1940, NYC Lot #2224:

Ordered in November 1939, delivered and placed in service in October 1940. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945.

#10531 Washtenaw County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Amatepec. Current status unknown.

#10532 Lorain County sold in 1966 to Jones Properties. Current status unknown.

#10534 Ashtabula County sold in 1967 to Ringling Brothers. Current status unknown.

#10535 Noble County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra de Oro. Current status unknown.

#10536 LaPorte County sold in 1967 to Ringling Brothers. Current status unknown.

#10538 Hampden County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Ventana. Current status unknown.

#10544 Montgomery County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra de Guadarrama, later SCD #262. Current status unknown.

#10545 Wayne County sold in 1961 to Edwards International sold in 1962 to NdeM Sierra Castiza, later SCD. Current status unknown.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website: http://passcarphotos.info/

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Part One: Prewar Lightweights, Continued:

Sleepers, Continued:

6DB Buffet Lounge Falls-Series:

6 Cars, P-S, Lot #6573, Plan #4086, 1939, NYC Lot #2221:

Ordered in December 1938, delivered and placed in service in September 1939. 25 seat buffet lounge. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945.

#10586 Copake Falls renumbered in 1958 to #10639 reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #639 retired in 1963 and scrapped in 1964.

#10587 Buttermilk Falls renumbered in 1958 to #10640 reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #640 retired and scrapped in 1964.

#10588 Chittenango Falls renumbered in 1958 to #10641* reconfigured in 1961* to parlor buffet lounge #647 sold in 1964 to Ted Church (Erie, PA). Current status unknown.

*Randall has this car listed as #10641, and Link has this car listed as #10647. Randall has the reconfiguration date as 1961, and Link has the date as 1958.

#10591 Croton Falls reconfigured in 1959* to parlor buffet lounge #641 sold in 1963* to Edwards International sold to FNM #373 Club Esmeralda. Current status unknown.

*Randall has the reconfiguration date as 1959, and Link has the conversion date as 1961. Link also has this car as being renumbered in 1958 to #10641. Randall has the date of sale as 1963, and Link has the date of sale as 1968.

#10594 Genesee Falls renumbered in 1958 to #10645 reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #645 retired and scrapped* in 1963.

*Randall has this car listed as scrapped in 1963, and Link has this car listed as sold to Edwards International in 1963.

#10595 Raquette Falls renumbered in 1958 to #10646 reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #646 retired in 1963 and scrapped in 1964.

12 Cars, P-S, Lot #6612, Plan #4086B, 1940, NYC Lot #2226:

Ordered in November 1939, delivered and placed in service between August and September 1940. 25 seat buffet lounge. Sold to NYC on 12/31/1945.

#10580 Honeoye Falls renumbered in 1961* to #10635 reconfigured in 1961* to parlor buffet lounge #635 sold in 1965* to Grueninger* Tours and renamed Governor Paul V. McNutt. Current status unknown.

*Randall lists the renumbering date as 1961, and Link lists the date as 1958. Randall lists the reconfiguration date as 1961, and Link lists the date as 1959. Randall lists the date of sale as 1965, and Link lists the date of sale as 1966. Randall has the spelling as Grueninger Tours, and Link has the spelling as Giveninger Tours.

#10581 Hope Falls reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #649* retired and scrapped* in 1961*.

*Randall lists the number as #649, and Link lists the number as #650. Link also lists this car as being renumbered in 1958 to #10649. Randall lists this car as scrapped in 1961, and Link lists this car as sold to Pickens RY in 1964.

#10582 Cooks Falls reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #636* retired and scrapped in 1961.

*Link has this car as being renumbered in 1958 to #10636, then reconfigured to #636.

#10583 Essex Falls reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #637* retired and scrapped in 1960.

*Link has this car as being renumbered in 1958 to #10637, then reconfigured to #637.

#10584 Shelburne Falls renumbered in 1958 to #10638 reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #638 retired in 1963 and scrapped in 1964.

#10585 Stuyvesant Falls reconfigured in 1959 to parlor buffet lounge #642* retired in 1963 and scrapped in 1964.

*Link has this car as being renumbered in 1958 to #10642, then reconfigured to #642.

#10589 Horseshoe Falls renumbered in 1961 to #10642* retired and scrapped in 1961*.

*Randall has this car as being renumbered to #10642, Link does not list a renumbering. Link also has the retirement date as 1960.

#10590 Kezar Falls reconfigured in 1959* to parlor buffet lounge #650* retired and scrapped in 1960*.

*Randall lists the reconfiguration date as 1959, and Link lists the date as 1958. Randall lists the number as #650, and Link lists the number as #649. Link also lists this car as being renumbered in 1958 to #10641. Randall lists this car as scrapped in 1960, and Link lists this car sold in 1966 to Pickens RY.

#10592 Mahopac Falls renumbered in 1958 to #10643 reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #643 retired in 1964 to MofW #X23452 in 1965.

#10593 Wappingers Falls renumbered in 1958 to #10644 reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #644 sold in 1963 to Edwards International. Current status unknown.

#10596 Bennington Falls renumbered in 1961 to #10647* retired and scrapped in 1961.

*Link does not list the renumbering.

#10597 Chickopee Falls renumbered in 1958 to #10648 reconfigured in 1958 to parlor buffet lounge #648 retired and scrapped in 1961*.

*Randall lists this car as scrapped in 1961, and Link lists this car as transferred to MofW in 1962.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website: http://passcarphotos.info/

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving NYC Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:49 am 

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The Chicopee Falls, as far as I know, became the test car for NYC...PC....CR. While at Conrail, I was temporarily assigend to the test lab in Altoona. I was involved with testing locomotives and the wheel flange lubricators. As such, I spent a lot of time in that car. The emergency equipment in the hallway locker had Chicopee Falls engraved into the handles of the tools. One fellow from the lab had been with the NYC and the lab when it was in Cleveland and had been with the car all that time so I trusted that he knew what he was talking about.

After Conrail ended, I believe the car would up on NS.

Maybe someone knows the fate of the car.

It was quite an experiace to be riding in your own private car in freight service.

Al Drummond


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