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 Post subject: Re: Surviving NYC Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:34 pm 
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Part Two: Postwar Lightweights, Continued:

Sleepers, Continued:

5DB Buffet Lounge Observation Creek-Series:

2 Cars, P-S, Lot #6790, Plan #4126, 1948, NYC Lot #2194:

Ordered in December 1945, delivered between August and September 1948 for the 20th Century Limited. 5DB sleeper 23 seat buffet lounge observation with raised rear lounge and large, high observation windows.

#10570 Hickory Creek renumbered in August 1958 to #10633, retired and sold to Ringling Brothers. Later sold (when??) to private ownership as JSCX #10633, acquired (when??) by URHS and restored as #800733. Randall lists retirement date as 1968, Link lists retirement date as December 1967.

#10571 Sandy Creek renumbered in August 1958 to #10634, retired in 1968 and sold to Judge Roy Hofheinz. Later sold (when??) to the Sandy Creek Corporation, acquired in 1990 by American European Express (later AOE), complete interior tunneled and car reconfigured to lounge observation New York (#800321). Acquired by NS and painted Tuscan Red as #800321 Sandy Creek.

5DB Buffet Lounge Observation Brook-Series:

4 Cars, Budd, Lot #9664-023, Plan #9506, 1949, NYC Lot #2202:

Ordered in December 1945, delivered between May and June 1949. 5DB sleeper 25 seat buffet lounge observation.

#10560 Babbling Brook retired in February 1959 and sold to CP Seaview, retired in 1969 and sold to Quebec Cartier Mining Company #847. Acquired (when??) by Tyler Robbins as #800007 and based in Coopersville, MI. Listed for sale in 2012 on Ozark Mountain Railcar and sold to private owner, moved to Long Island. Car meets current Amtrak PC2 requirements, in service as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEyVNijv-Ok

#10561 Bonnie Brook renumbered in July 1958 to #10670, retired in March 1964. Link lists sale to Jones Properties, Randall lists sale to Fred Corriher as #1 Edna (#800038) (Landis, NC). Later (when??) resold to private ownership as JFC #100 Crescent Queen, then (when??) acquired by New Orleans Chapter. Sold (when??) to private ownership Bonnie Brook.

#10562 Fall Brook retired in February 1959 and sold to CP Eastview, retired in 1969 and sold to United RR Supply (Montreal). Acquired (when??) by private ownership as Monterey (#800057), resold (when??) to Casablanca Fan as City of Pasadena, with the 5 bedrooms rebuilt to 2 master bedrooms. Acquired (when??) by Ansco Investments and renamed Colorado, sold (when??) to private ownership with Sokolski Zephyr drumhead. As reported by Les Kasten, this car had been acquired by another party, and was inside the shop in early February 2003 when it suffered a small amount of damage from a fire in the subfloor under the master room next to the kitchen; the side loading door received the most damage. The fluting was removed to inspect the side sill, and the interior was removed in order to do an assessment of the damage. The trucks, fluting, window bands, and sill covers are all still removed but stored on site. The car is still available for purchase from Kyle Kasten.

#10563 Plum Brook retired in February 1959 and sold to CP Riverview, retired in 1969 and sold to Quebec Cartier Mining Company #846. Acquired (when??) by private ownership, resold (when??) to Bill Gray as Plum Brook (#800251) (Evansville, IN).

3 Cars, Budd, Lot #9636-023, Plan #9508, 1949, NYC Lot #2204:

Ordered in December 1945, delivered between June and July 1949. 5DB sleeper 25 seat buffet lounge observation with large, high observation windows. Was the rear half of the lounge raised as it was in the 2 Creek cars?

#10564 Singing Brook retired in February 1959 and sold to CP Mountain View, retired in 1969 and sold to Algoma Central, which modified it to a business car configuration (with 1 bedroom removed) and renamed it Canyon View. Sold in 1984 to Cadillac & Lake City, resold (when??) to private ownership #800064. Acquired (when??) by Joe Goodell, lettered as West Texas & Buffalo Steamship & Railway Company, and renamed Dagny Taggart (Buffalo, NY).

#10565 Sunrise Brook renumbered in July 1958 to #10631, retired in July 1964 and sold to Jones Properties, resold to newspaper publisher Cadena de Periodicos Garcia Balseca as #108 Puebla. Acquired (when??) by NdeM as #3518 Presidente Lopes Mateos, sold (when??) to Silver Creek International as #200, currently stored in San Luis Potosi, as posted here: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31449&start=45

#10566 Wingate Brook, renumbered in July 1958 to #10632, retired in 1968 and sold to Judge Roy Hofheinz, acquired in 1972 by Amtrak as #3260, number of lounge seats reduced to 18, retired and later sold in November 1983 to American Rail Excursions #800487, resold (when??) to Les Kasten, now owned by Kyle Kasten.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

5. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

6. Mike Palmieri's Amtrak rosters

7. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

8. Stan Garner's list of #800xxx-series passenger cars: http://www.movie-trains.com/pvlist.html

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving NYC Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:36 am 
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Part Two: Postwar Lightweights, Continued:

Sleepers, Continued:

5DB Buffet Lounge Observation Royal-Series:

1 Car, P-S, Lot #6814, Plan #4162, 1950, NYC Lot #2205:

Ordered in January 1948 for the SOU pool, delivered in February 1950 and assigned to the Royal Palm. 5DB sleeper 24 seat buffet lounge observation.

Royal Crest wrecked on November 12th, 1951, at Wyuta, WY. The Royal Crest was the last car of the westbound #104 City of Los Angeles when it was rear ended by the #102 City of San Francisco. The wreck also destroyed UP sleepers American Lake (6S-6RM-4DB) and Pacific Empire (10RM-6DB), as well as UP postal storage #5701.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

4. Don Strack's UP passenger car roster pages: http://utahrails.net/pass/pass-index.php

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving NYC Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:43 am 
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Part Two: Postwar Lightweights, Continued:

Coaches:

153 Cars, P-S, Lot #6721, Plan #7484, 1946, NYC Lot #2169:

Ordered in May 1944, delivered between February and October 1946. 64 seat coaches. The subsequent renumbering of these cars was done with the Penn Central merger in mind: the cars sold to PRR in 1967 and renumbered to the #14xx-series retained these numbers under PC; the cars which were renumbered to the #36xx series in 1967-1968; and the cars which were modified to the #32xx-series snack bar coaches between 1966 and 1969. The cars sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to the MTA, and converted to 106 seat commuter coaches for use on the Long Island were intended to be renumbered in the #85xx-series, but the 4 digit numbers could not fit on the numberboards, so the first digit was removed, resulting in the #5xx-series. The cars converted to #17xx-series 108 seat commuter coaches in 1966 in Lot #2265 were renumbered to the #21xx-series under PC, with the same last 2 digits.

#3000 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3622, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6431, converted in 1977 to Amfleet buffer car #10604. Current status unknown.

#3001 reconfigured in 1968 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3210, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3970, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3002 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3618, sold in 1973 Amtrak #6429, retired in 1978 and sold to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3003 sold in 1967 to PRR #1400 to PC #1400. Current status unknown.

#3004 to PC #3004, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6441, retired in 1977 and sold to the Fowler Packing Company. Current status unknown.

#3005 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #531, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3006 retired in 1966 and sold to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3007 retired in 1966 and sold to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3008 to PC #3008, transferred in 1970 to MofW as camp car #X-23500. Current status unknown.

#3009 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3212, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3952, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3010 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3617, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6408, transferred in 1977 to MofW as camp car #16754. Current status unknown.

#3011 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3211, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3951, retired in 1977 and sold to MEC as MofW, number unknown. Current status unknown.

#3012 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1716 to PC #2116 to Conrail #2116 to MNCR #2116, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3013 sold in 1967 to PRR #1410 to PC #1410 and scrapped, 1968.

#3014 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM . Current status unknown.

#3015 sold in 1967 to PRR #1411 to PC #1411. Current status unknown.

#3016 renumbered in 1967 to #3615 to PC #3615, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6427 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3017 reconfigured in 1968 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3206, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3967, retired in 1976 and sold to Commercial Logistics. Current status unknown.

#3018 renumbered in 1967 to #3613 to PC #3613, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6426 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3019 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1715 to PC #2115 to Conrail #2115 to MNCR #2115, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3020 renumbered in 1967 to PC #3604, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6402 and scrapped later that year.

#3021 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3621, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6410, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3022 reconfigured in 1968 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3204, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3965, removed from revenue service in 1978 and transferred in 1979 to MofW as camp car #16764. Current status unknown.

#3023 sold in 1967 to PRR #1408 to PC #1408. Current status unknown.

#3024 reconfigured in 1968 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3208, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3950, retired in 1976 and sold to Commercial Logistics. Current status unknown.

#3025 retired in 1966 and sold to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3026 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3629, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6435, retired in 1977 and sold to Lamb Industries (LaFayette, LA). Current status unknown.

#3027 retired in 1966 and sold to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3028 retired in 1966 and sold to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3029 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3213, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3953, transferred in 1977 to company service as instruction car #16757. Current status unknown.

#3030 reconfigured in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1729 to PC #2129 to Conrail #2129 to MNCR #2129, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3031 retired in 1966 and sold to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3032 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3635, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6438, retired in 1975 and sold to A.D.C.O. (Mira Loma, CA). Current status unknown.

#3033 renumbered in 1967 to #3607 to PC #3607, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6422 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to A.D.C.O. (Mira Loma, CA). Current status unknown.

#3034 reconfigured in 1968 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3203, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3964, retired in 1977 and stored. Current status unknown.

#3035 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3214, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3954, retired in 1981 and sold in 1982 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3036 sold in 1967 to PRR #1412 to PC #1412, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6094 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3037 reconfigured in 1967 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3201, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3962, transferred in 1977 to MofW as camp car #16761. Current status unknown.

#3038 sold in 1967 to PRR #1413 to PC #1413, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6095 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph. Current status unknown.

#3039 sold in 1967 to PRR #1404 to PC #1404. Current status unknown.

#3040 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM . Current status unknown.

#3041 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1720 to PC #2120 to Conrail #2120 to MNCR #2120, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3042 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1728 to PC #2128 to Conrail #2128 to MNCR #2128, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3043 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM . Current status unknown.

#3044 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM . Current status unknown.

#3045 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3632, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6436, retired in 1978 and sold to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3046 sold in 1967 to PRR #1414 to PC #1414, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6096 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3047 wrecked in 1953.

#3048 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1726 to PC #2126 to Conrail #2126 to MNCR #2126, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3049 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter Coach #532, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3050 sold in 1967 to PRR #1405 to PC #1405. Current status unknown.

#3051 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3638, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6439, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3052 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1731 to PC #2131 to Conrail #2131 to MNCR #2131, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3053 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3215, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3955, retired in 1976 and sold to B.F. Allison. Current status unknown.

#3054 renumbered in 1967 to #3601 to PC #3601, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6421, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3055 sold in 1967 to PRR #1415 to PC #1415, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6097 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3056 sold in 1967 to PRR #1416 to PC #1416. Current status unknown.

#3057 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3625, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6433, retired in 1977 and sold to Atlas Resources (Houston). Current status unknown.

#3058 renumbered in 1967 to #3602 to PC #3602, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6400, retired in 1977 and sold to Hurowitz Brothers. Current status unknown.

#3059 renumbered in 1967 to #3609 to PC #3609, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6423, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3060 renumbered in 1967 to #3614 to PC #3614, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6407, transferred in 1977 to MofW as camp car #16759. Current status unknown.

#3061 renumbered in 1967 to #3605 to PC #3605, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6403, retired in 1977 and sold to the Urban Renewal Corporation (Wichita). Current status unknown.

#3062 sold in 1967 to PRR #1417 to PC #1417. Current status unknown.

#3063 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #533, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3064 sold in 1967 to PRR #1402 to PC #1402. Current status unknown.

#3065 renumbered in 1967 to #3600 to PC #3600, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6420, retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3066 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1719 to PC #2119 to Conrail #2119 to MNCR #2119, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3067 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #534, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3068 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3634, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6437, retired in 1978 and sold to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3069 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1727 to PC #2127 to Conrail #2127 to MNCR #2127, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3070 renumbered in 1967 to #3610 to PC #3610, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6424, retired in 1976 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3071 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3639, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6419, retired in 1978 and stored. Current status unknown.

#3072 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1724 to PC #2124 to Conrail #2124 to MNCR #2124, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3073 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #535, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3074 reconfigured in 1968 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3202, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3963, retired in 1981 and sold in 1983 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3075 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #536, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3076 sold in 1967 to PRR #1418 to PC #1418. Current status unknown.

#3077 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1737 to PC #2137 to Conrail #2137 to MNCR #2137, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3078 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3623, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6432 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3079 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1730 to PC #2130 to Conrail #2130 to MNCR #2130, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3080 sold in 1967 to PRR #1403 to PC #1403. Current status unknown.

#3081 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1717 to PC #2117 to Conrail #2117 to MNCR #2117, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3082 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3216, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3956, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3083 reconfigured in 1968 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3207, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3968, retired in 1976 and sold to Ampol Wrecking.

#3084 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #537, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3085 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM . Current status unknown.

#3086 renumbered in 1967 to #3603 to PC #3603, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6401 and scrapped later that year.

#3087 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3620, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6430 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3088 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3637, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6418, retired in 1978 and stored. Current status unknown.

#3089 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1733 to PC #2133 to Conrail #2133 to MNCR #2133, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3090 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3626, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6434, retired in 1977 and sold to Lamb Industries (LaFayette, LA). Current status unknown.

#3091 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3217, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3957, converted in 1977 to Amfleet buffer car #10600. Current status unknown.

#3092 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3218, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3958, retired in 1976 and sold to Ampol Wrecking.

#3093 sold in 1967 to PRR #1419 to PC #1419. Current status unknown.

#3094 sold in 1967 to PRR #1420 to PC #1420. Later (when??) retired and sold to restaurant location in Phillipsburg, NJ. Restaurant was named the Box Car Night Club, then the Wardell Steakhouse & Raw Bar, and is currently the Union Station Grill.

#3095 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM . Current status unknown.

#3096 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3630, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6414, retired in 1977 and sold to Zitter Leasing. Current status unknown.

#3097 sold in 1967 to PRR #1406 to PC #1406. Current status unknown.

#3098 reconfigured in 1968 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3205, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3966, retired in 1976 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

#3099 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3627, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6412, retired in 1976 and sold to John Greco (Tampa). Current status unknown.

#3100 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3636, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6417, retired in 1977 and sold to Hurowitz Brothers. Current status unknown.

#3101 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #538, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3102 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3219, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3959, stored in 1978 and retired in 1979.

#3103 to PC #3103, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6440, retired in 1978 and sold to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3104 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1725 to PC #2125 to Conrail #2125 to MNCR #2125, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3105 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3220, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3960, retired in 1981 and sold in 1983 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3106 to PC #3106, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6442, retired in 1977 and sold to Alia Quantis. Current status unknown.

#3107 renumbered in 1967 to PC #3611, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6406, retired in 1976 and sold in 1977 to Ampol Wrecking.

#3108 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1739 to PC #2139 to Conrail #2139 to MNCR #2139, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3109 wrecked in 1953.

#3110 reconfigured in 1968 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3209, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3969, retired in 1976 and sold to Ampol Wrecking.

#3111 to PC #3111, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6443, retired in 1977 and sold to Lamb Industries (LaFayette, LA). Current status unknown.

#3112 sold in 1967 to PRR #1421 to PC #1421. Current status unknown.

#3113 reconfigured in 1966 to 60 seat snack bar coach #3200 to PC #3200, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #3949, removed from revenue service in 1978 and transferred in 1979 to MofW as camp car #16763. Current status unknown.

#3114 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1722 to PC #2122 to Conrail #2122 to MNCR #2122, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3115 sold in 1967 to PRR #1407 to PC #1407. Current status unknown.

#3116 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3616, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6428, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3117 sold in 1967 to PRR #1401 to PC #1401. Current status unknown.

#3118 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3119 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3120 to PC #3120, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6444, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3121 to PC #3121, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6445, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3122 renumbered in 1967 to #3608 to PC #3608, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6405, retired in 1976 and sold to John Greco (Tampa). Current status unknown.

#3123 to PC #3123, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6446, retired in 1979 and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3124 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1738 to PC #2138 to Conrail #2138 to MNCR #2138, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3125 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, resold to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3126 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #539, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3127 reconfigured in 1969 to PC 50 seat snack bar coach #3221, sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3961, transferred in 1977 to MofW as camp car #16760, retired and listed for sale in 1983. Current status unknown.

#3128 sold in 1967 to PRR #1422 to PC #1422. Current status unknown.

#3129 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3619, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6409, retired in 1978 and stored.

#3130 sold in 1967 to PRR #1423 to PC #1423. Current status unknown.

#3131 renumbered in 1967 to #3606 to PC #3606, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6404, retired in 1977 and sold to the North Alabama Chapter. Sold (when??) to the Memphis Transportation Museum. Acquired (2007??) by MRLX (or is it just a case of MRLX reporting marks being used for the COT&S, as it was for the ACL #239/#5461 that was also owned by MTM?).

#3132 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1721 to PC #2121 to Conrail #2121 to MNCR #2121, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3133 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #540, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3134 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1735 to PC #2135 to Conrail #2135 to MNCR #2135, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3135 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3631, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6415, retired in 1977 and sold to T. Jones. Acquired (when??) by John Birmingham-Boulder Scientific, later (when??) resold to the St. Louis, Iron Mountain & Southern.

#3136 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #541, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3137 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3628, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6413, retired in 1977 and sold to Hurowitz Brothers. Current status unknown.

#3138 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1723 to PC #2123 to Conrail #2123 to MNCR #2123, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3139 to PC #3139, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6447, retired in 1977 and sold to Lamb Industries (LaFayette, LA). Current status unknown.

#3140 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3624, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6411, converted in 1977 to Amfleet buffer car #10603. Current status unknown.

#3141 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1736 to PC #2136 to Conrail #2136 to MNCR #2136, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3142 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1718 to PC #2118 to Conrail #2118 to MNCR #2118, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3143 renumbered in 1967 to #3612 to PC #3612, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6425, retired in 1978 and sold to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3144 sold in 1967 to PRR #1409 to PC #1409. Current status unknown.

#3145 renumbered in 1968 to PC #3633, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6416, transferred in 1976 to MofW as camp car #16755. Current status unknown.

#3146 to PC #3146, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6448, retired in 1977 and sold to East Broad Top. Current status unknown.

#3147 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #542, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3148 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1732 to PC #2132 to Conrail #2132 to MNCR #2132, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3149 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #543, retired in 1972 and sold to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

#3150 converted in 1966 to 108 seat commuter coach #1734 to PC #2134 to Conrail #2134 to MNCR #2134, retired circa 1985. Current status unknown.

#3151 to PC #3151, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #6449, retired in 1977 and stored. Current status unknown.

#3152 sold in 1967 to PRR #1424 to PC #1424, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #6098 (not applied), retired in 1975 and sold to D.J. Joseph.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

3. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

4. Mike Palmieri's Amtrak rosters

5. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

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Part Two: Postwar Lightweights, Continued:

Coaches:

60 Cars, Budd, Lot #9613-004, 1946-1947, NYC Lot #2171:

Ordered in March 1944, delivered between October 1946 and March 1947. 56 seat coaches.

#2900 to PC #2900, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5640, retired and later sold in 1983 to Denver Railcar Ash (#800545), resold (when??) to Morristown & Erie #1003 Ash.

#2901 to PC #2901, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5641, retired and later sold in 1983 to Denver Railcar Elm (#800546), resold (when??) to Morristown & Erie #1004 Elm.

#2902 to PC #2902, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5642, retired in 1976 and sold to MEC for MofW, number unknown. Current status unknown.

#2903 sold in 1968 to PRR #1425 to PC #1425, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5630, retired and later sold in 1985 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#2904 to PC #2904, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5643, retired and later sold in 1983 to VIA Rail #134, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8134.

#2905 to PC #2905, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5675, retired and later sold in 1985 to Orrville RR Heritage Society #102 H.H. Wade.

#2906 to PC #2906, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5644, retired and stored in 1983, sold in 1984 to the Western New York RHS #2906, leased to NYS&W as #520.

#2907 to PC #2907, wrecked in 1971.

#2908 to PC #2908, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5645, retired in 1977 and sold to National Tire & Salvage.

#2909 to PC #2909, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5646, retired and later sold in 1983 to Denver Railcar Fir (#800547), resold (when??) to Morristown & Erie #1007 Fir, stored in Cedar Knolls (when??).

#2910 to PC #2910, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5647, retired in 1976 and sold to Ampol Wrecking.

#2911 to PC #2911, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5648, retired in 1983. Current status unknown.

#2912 sold in 1968 to PRR #1426 to PC #1426, sold in 1976 to Amtrak #5633, retired and stored in 1977. Current status unknown.

#2913 to PC #2913, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5649, retired and later sold in 1988 to VIA Rail #160, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8132.

#2914 to PC #2914, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5650, retired and later sold in 1988 to the Northern Central, resold (when??) to CVSR #2914.

#2915 to PC #2915, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5651, retired and later sold in 1988 to the Western New York RHS #2915, leased to NYS&W as #521.

#2916 to PC #2916, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5676, retired and later sold in 1988 to Conrail, resold (when??) to VIA Rail #165, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8139.

#2917 sold in 1968 to PRR #1427 to PC #1427, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5631, retired in 1977 and sold to Tuman Demolition.

#2918 to PC #2918, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5677, retired and later sold in 1988 to the Western New York RHS #2918, leased to NYS&W as #524.

#2919 to PC #2919, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5652, retired and later sold in 1988 to Conrail, resold (when??) to VIA Rail #162, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8136.

#2920 sold in 1968 to PRR #1428 to PC #1428, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5632, wrecked in 1981, subsequently sold to unknown party (for scrapping??). Current status unknown.

#2921 sold in 1968 to PRR #1429 to PC #1429, sold in 1976 to Amtrak #5634, retired and stored in 1977, sold in 1981 to private ownership and reconfigured to buffet lounge Bay Shore (#800173).

#2922 to PC #2922, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5653, retired and later sold in 1986 to Conrail, resold (when??) to VIA Rail #161, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8133.

#2923 sold in 1968 to PRR #1430 to PC #1430, sold in 1976 to Amtrak #5635, stored in 1977, retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#2924 to PC #2924, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5654, retired in 1977 and sold to National Tire & Salvage.

#2925 to PC #2925, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5678, retired and later sold in 1983 to Conrail, resold (when??) to VIA Rail #166, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8141.

#2926 to PC #2926, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5655, retired and later sold in 1986 to Conrail, resold (when??) to VIA Rail #167, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8144.

#2927 to PC #2927, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5679, transferred (197?) to MofW #16721. Current status unknown.

#2928 to PC #2928, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5656, retired in 1983. Current status unknown.

#2929 scrapped in 1966.

#2930 to PC #2930, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5657, retired and later sold in 1984 to Tioga Central, reconfigured to diner #2930.

#2931 to PC #2931, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5680, retired in 1983. Current status unknown.

#2932 to PC #2932, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5681, retired and stored in 1983, sold in 1984 to the Western New York RHS #2932, leased to NYS&W as #522.

#2933 to PC #2933, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5658, retired and later sold in 1983 to private ownership #800084, acquired in 2006 by the Western New York RHS #2933.

#2934 to PC #2934, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5659, retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#2935 scrapped in 1966.

#2936 to PC #2936, sold in 1971 to High Iron Co. Current status unknown.

#2937 to PC #2937, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5660, retired and later sold in 1983 to Denver Railcar Oak (#800548). Current status unknown.

#2938 sold in 1967 to Jones Properties, resold to LIRR and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #529, retired in 1972 and sold to private ownership, later part of a car dealership. Acquired (when??) by Arizona Transit Assembly as ATAX #2938, stored (when??) in Mauldin, SC. Currently listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar.

#2939 to PC #2939, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5661, burned in 1979.

#2940 to PC #2940, wrecked in 1971.

#2941 to PC #2941, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5682, retired and stored in 1983, sold in 1984 to the Western New York RHS #2941, leased to NYS&W as #523.

#2942 to PC #2942, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5662, retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#2943 to PC #2943, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5683, retired in 1983. Current status unknown.

#2944 to PC #2944, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5663, retired and later sold in 1983 to Denver Railcar Palm (#800549). Current status unknown.

#2945 to PC #2945, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5684, retired in 1983. Current status unknown.

#2946 to PC #2946, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5664, retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#2947 to PC #2947, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5665, retired and later sold in 1983 to Denver Railcar Pine (#800550). Current status unknown.

#2948 to PC #2948, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5666, retired and later sold in 1988 to Conrail, resold (when??) to VIA Rail #163, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8137.

#2949 to PC #2949, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5667, retired and later sold in 1986 to Conrail #27 to NS #26 New York (#800778).

#2950 to PC #2950, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5668, retired and later sold in 1985 to private ownership in Jefferson, OH. Acquired in 2012 by the Lake Shore RHS.

#2951 to PC #2951, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5669, retirement date listed as 1988. Current status unknown.

#2952 sold in 1966 to the Livonia, Avon & Lakeville, later (when??) resold to the Gettysburg RR. Acquired by VIA Rail as #177, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8147.

#2953 to PC #2953, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5685, retired in 1983. Current status unknown.

#2954 to PC #2954, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5670, retired and later sold in 1988 to Conrail, resold (when??) to VIA Rail #164, converted to HEP 62 seat coach #8138.

#2955 to PC #2955, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5671, retired and later sold in 1983 to unknown party. Acquired in 2004 by KCS and converted in 2005 to theater-inspection #2005, later (when??) renumbered to #1859 Arthur E. Stilwell.

#2956 wrecked in 1960.

#2957 to PC #2957, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5672, retired in 1983. Current status unknown.

#2958 to PC #2958, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5673, retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#2959 to PC #2959, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5674, retirement date listed as 1985. Current status unknown.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

3. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

4. Mike Palmieri's Amtrak rosters

5. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

6. Stan Garner's list of #800xxx-series passenger cars: http://www.movie-trains.com/pvlist.html

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#5021 Alonzo B. Cornell to PC #6500 retired and sold in 1971 to Strates Shows. Current status unknown.


Alonzo B. Cornell is owned by the Rochester and Genesee Valley Railroad Museum. It is outfitted with a generator for electrical power. The museum's other six Empire State Express cars have already been discussed in this thread.

From our website:
NYC 5021/"Alonzo B. Cornell" - Built 1941 as Railway Post Office, to Penn Central in 1968, sold to National Research Council in 1971. Alonzo B. Cornell was the 27th Governor of New York (1880-1882).

http://rgvrrm.org/about/railroad/ese/index.htm

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Thanks, Joe, for the info on the #5021 Alonzo B. Cornell!

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Part Two: Postwar Lightweights, Continued:

Sleepers, Continued:

6DB Buffet Lounge Stream-Series:

11 Cars, Budd, Lot #9663-023, Plan #9505, 1949, NYC Lot #2201:

Ordered in December 1945, delivered between March and May 1949. 6DB sleeper 22 seat buffet lounge.

#10628 Laurel Stream to PC #4413 sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3202. Retired in October 1981 and sold in 1982 to private ownership #800180, later (when??) acquired by Mid America Railcar Leasing, name changed to City of Angels (2nd).
MRLX1020 wrote:
#10628 Laurel Stream to PC #4413 sold in 1971 to Amtrak #3202. Retired in October 1981 and sold in 1982 to NEW ORLEANS NRHS - Messina and Tilton #800180, later (when??) acquired by IFE LEASING, name changed to City of Angels (2nd).

Fact - just because a car has MRLX reporting marks, doesn't mean it's OWNED by MRLX. When UMLER became necessary and you couldn't just spray paint PPCX 800XXX on the side of a car anymore, Mid America offered more than reasonable usage terms for equipment owners looking to make equipment roadworthy. That's why there are so many MRLX cars rostered.


The City of Angels (2nd) is now lettered as Great Lakes Rail Car (GTLX). Is the City of Angels still owned by Philip Sheridan-IFE Leasing or was it sold to another party who uses the GTLX reporting marks or directly to GTLX?

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I've now accounted for the 4 other 10-16 Slumbercoaches.

I was looking through Jerry's website and found a link to the following photo of the one of the rebuilt 16-10 Slumbercoaches renamed to Holly Harbor and located in Lordstown, OH. The photographer says that these photos were taken at the "Space Center", and he has uploaded photos of several diesels (some ex-AT&SF) at this facility, some of which appear to be in the process of being disassembled part by part.

Photo taken by Chris Schmuck on October 1st, 2005: https://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/ProtoPhotos#5078645899770111874

I did some further searching, and the diesels appear to be lettered for Larry's Truck & Electric (LTEX), so is the "Space Center" a LTEX facility, or is it simply used for overflow capacity/storage?

A second photo shows that the Holly Harbor is at this facility with at least 6 other cars, most of which are in Amtrak Phase III paint: 2 more 10-16 Slumbercoaches, a 24-8 Slumbercoach, 2 10-6 sleepers, and a buffet lounge: https://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/ProtoPhotos#5078645526107957074

Using Google Earth satellite imagery, I located 6 of the 7 cars parked together at this facility, but at a different spot (tangent rather than on a curve). Seeing as how the actual date of the satellite imagery is unknown, I don't know if it dates from before or after the photos I linked to above.

I did some Google searching, and found this Trainorders thread from November 2003: http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,641232

First, "Amtrak288" posted:

Amtrak288 wrote:
Amtrak Slumbercoach #2052 "Dunkirk Harbor" is now owned by the Dunkirk Historical Society in Dunkirk, NY about 40 miles from Buffalo. Here's a link to some info on that car.

http://www.s363.com/dkny/harbor.html


Then, Harry Bechtold posted:

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Fairport & Monroe Harbors Survive

I was the lucky Bidder on these 2, along with 3 other cars when they were up for Auction by Amtrak in April 2001 from Hialeah Florida. The cars were in pretty good shape appearance wise, but alot of the parts from the undercarriage had been canibalized to keep existing Heritage Diners, Dorms, and Bags running. (Amtrak doesn't inventory many of those parts anymore) The Cars are stored in Eastern Ohio along with privately owned Holly Harbor, renamed I believe from South Haven Harbor.

What is strange about this series of Amtrak rebuilt cars is that they all retained their original Budd Skirting (except Holly Harbor).


Okay, so that being the case, does anybody know the identities of the other 4 cars stored at Lordstown, or who owns the South Haven Harbor/Holly Harbor? (3 of these 4 cars are in Phase III: the 24-8 Slumbercoach and the 2 10-6 sleepers, so I'm guessing these are the other 3 cars purchased by Harry Bechtold.) Also, who owns the buffet lounge; same owner as the Holly Harbor?

On a side note, the last post in the Trainorders thread was:

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Harry, you're our mystery owner. Ray Getty of Fayetteville, AK, who also purchased a car while in Hialeah has told me of you being the owner of the car but couldn't remember for the life of him your name.


Does anybody know what car Ray Getty purchased?

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Okay, so that being the case, does anybody know the identities of the other 4 cars stored at Lordstown, or who owns the South Haven Harbor/Holly Harbor? (3 of these 4 cars are in Phase III: the 24-8 Slumbercoach and the 2 10-6 sleepers, so I'm guessing these are the other 3 cars purchased by Harry Bechtold.) Also, who owns the buffet lounge; same owner as the Holly Harbor?


Answered my own question. Well, one of them:

The other 3 cars purchased by Harry Bechtold were the:

24-8 Slumbercoach #2081 Loch Long (ex-#2035, exx-BN, exxx-NP #331, nee-B&O #7703 Sleepland, Budd, 1959): https://www.flickr.com/photos/fan-t/14152889992/sizes/l

10-6 sleeper #2475 Miami (ex-#2701, exx-SCL #6616, nee-SAL #43, Budd, 1949): https://www.flickr.com/photos/fan-t/14152889792/sizes/l

11DB sleeper #2232 Star Leaf (ex-#2252, exx-UP #1703, nee-5DB buffet lounge Grand Island, P-S, 1956/65). Seen here on the right next to 10-16 Slumbercoach #2050 Monroe Harbor: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fan-t/14152889282/sizes/l

Here's a photo of the #2051 Fairport Harbor: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fan-t/14152889452/sizes/l

The photos linked to above were taken by Todd Dillon on November 5th, 2011.

So, that leaves the identity and owner of the buffet lounge and the owner of the South Haven Harbor/Holly Harbor.

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"........Ray Getty of Fayetteville, AK, who also purchased a car while in Hialeah has told me of you being the owner of the car but couldn't remember for the life of him your name."

"Does anybody know what car Ray Getty purchased?"


Ray Getty did not purchase a car out of Hialeah. He purchased the former B&O 16-4 "Cardinal" at Lordstown, OH from Larry Smith. He sold it a few years later to Ben Butterworth, but sadly the car was heavily damaged while moving in CSX freight service en route to Gateway in East St. Louis. I believe it is still at Gateway but it would be an expensive repair to make on a car there is not a big market for.

"So, that leaves the identity and owner of the buffet lounge and the owner of the South Haven Harbor/Holly Harbor."

Holly Harbor was owned by Bill Owen. He sold it to Bill Grey (who also owns the former NYC sleeper lounge obs Fall Brook) maybe 3 or 4 years ago.

What buffet lounge in Lordstown are you talking about?


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Thanks, Topfuel, for the info!

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What buffet lounge in Lordstown are you talking about?


It can be seen at the far end of the line of cars in this photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/ProtoPhotos#5078645526107957074

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a better shot of the car.

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That's not a buffet lounge. That's the Woodland Stream. Formerly owned by Rich Kostura. Purchased by Glenn Bowman 2 or 3 years ago. Now based out of Orrville, OH.


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Thanks, Topfuel, for identifying the Woodland Stream!

Two further questions/additions:

Rainier Rails wrote:
Part Two: Postwar Lightweights, Continued:

Coaches:

60 Cars, Budd, Lot #9613-004, 1946-1947, NYC Lot #2171:

Ordered in March 1944, delivered between October 1946 and March 1947. 56 seat coaches.

#2914 to PC #2914, sold in 1974 to Amtrak #5650, retired and later sold in 1988 to the Northern Central, resold (when??) to CVSR #2914.

#2945 to PC #2945, sold in 1973 to Amtrak #5684, retired in 1983. Current status unknown.


The Classic Rail Cars website in the Northern Central/Liberty Limited section lists the #2945 as sold to Conrail in 1986 "for an excursion program in Reading, PA", then resold to a private owner in 1990, and acquired by Classic Rail Cars in 1994. The Liberty Limited ended operated in September 2001, and the cars were dispersed. So, does anyone know where the #2945 ended up?

Also, I had previously listed the #2914 as sold in 1988 to the Northern Central. I'm a little confused as to the relationship between the NCR and Classic Rail Cars. Ken Bitten and Kevin Luebke did business as (d.b.a.) Classic Rail Cars, but who owned/controlled the NCR? Was the #2914 owned by NCR or by CRC? I haven't actually seen any photos of the #2914 on the CVSR, so did they ever own the car? If so, has it since been resold or is it in storage?

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Ken Bitten was the head of the NCR when it was operating. The 2914 was used as office space on the NCR. CVSR purchased the car from Ken Bitten, and added HEP wiring, AC and heat and installed walkover seats to return the car to service. I think the car is still an active part of the roster.

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I think the car is still an active part of the roster.


That, I believe, is CVSR's A.A. Augustus coach...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59378026@N00/4988347416
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