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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:55 pm 
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Thanks, Bob, for all the info on the Mount Royal, Orange State, and the other cars purchased by Dave Wallace!

Of the cars purchased by Dave Wallace, here's what I can add:

52. Orange State (coach #2206) is extant.

Show Me (Lot #4843, Plan #4090B, 1925/39/40, 8S-1DR-3DB, streamlined for Gulf Coast Rebel, ex-Leaning Tower, nee-Point Pleasant)--sold to GM&O (1948) withheld from lease (1965) sold to Dave Wallace, scrapped 1973.

Deep South (Lot #4843, Plan #4090B, 1925/39/40, 8S-1DR-3DB, streamlined for Gulf Coast Rebel, ex-Torazzo Tower, nee-Point Vivian)--sold to GM&O (1948) withheld from lease (1965) sold to Dave Wallace. Disposition/current status unknown.

Lake Melville (Lot #4933, Plan #3585A, 1926, 10S-1DR-2C)--sold to GM&O (1948) withheld from lease (1965) sold to Dave Wallace. Disposition/current status unknown.

193. East Lexington (Lot #4868, Plan #3410A, 1925, 12S-1DR, Capitol Limited)--sold to GM&O (1948) to coach #2205 (1959) sold to Dave Wallace, was photographed being moved through Sarah Street Yard (NS) in St. Louis under ICC order in February 1987, to Wisconsin Great Northern #26, stored in Spooner, WI.

Parlor lounge #3040 Chicago, built as Chicago & Alton parlor observation #680. Disposition/current status unknown.

Lake Selby (Lot #4898, Plan #3585A, 1925, 10S-1DR-2C) sold to GM&O (1948) to coach #2207 (1961) sold to Dave Wallace, was photographed being moved through Sarah Street Yard (NS) in St. Louis under ICC order in February 1987. Disposition/current status unknown.

Trinity (Lot #4945, Plan #3410A, 1926, 12S-1DR, Sunset Limited) sold to GM&O (1948) to coach #2208 (1961) sold to Dave Wallace. Disposition/current status unknown.

Besides the scrapped car Show Me, and survivors 52. Orange State (#2206) and 193. East Lexington (#2205), does anybody have info regarding the disposition/current status of any of the other 5 cars purchased by Dave Wallace? Parlor #3040 Chicago, Deep South, Lake Melville, Lake Selby (#2207), or Trinity (#2208). Thanks in advance!

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:00 pm 
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Rainier Rails wrote:
Some more survivors--

198. Lake Mitchell (Lot #4770, Plan #3585, 1924, 10S-1DR-2C, PRR)--sold to PRR #8667 (1948) to NRM--see here: http://abpr.railfan.net/july10/07-19-10/LakeMitchell_2010-07-14_GreenBay_WI.jpg (Vlad Kedrovsky photo) (click once to enlarge)


I found some additional photos of the Lake Mitchell painted as the Frank W. Ladky, which is not listed in the Madden, Wayner, or Spear databases, so the name must have been applied after retirement by PRR. Was this car privately owned before going to NRM?

August 1970 at NRM: https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6027/5964101810_dc394e24a2_o.jpg (Hugh Llewelyn photo) (click once to enlarge)

1979 at NRM: https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotoart/14911546763/sizes/l (Fred M. Springer photo)

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. D. Garrett Spear's PRR Pullman roster pages: http://prr.railfan.net/passenger/GSPEAR/

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:03 am 
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Another Survivor:

376. Monte Baldo (Lot #4923, Plan #3521A, 1925, 10S-lng-obs)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Circus World Museum (Baraboo, WI) as #46 The Baraboo (1965). Picture taken by Fred M. Springer on July 7th, 1987: https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotoart/15352535328/sizes/l

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:47 am 
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Additional Survivors:

These 2 cars had been mentioned in this thread from December 2001: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2442

377. Marsh Run (Lot #4698, Plan #4015, 1923/32, 6DB-buf-lng, Liberty Limited)--sold to PRR #8573 (1948) sold to Richard S. Kaserman (1960) sold to Mack Lowry-Railroads of America Museum (Cuyahoga Falls, OH) (before 1973) sold to Unusual Junction (West Lafayette, OH) (198?)

378. Matchless (Lot #3804, Plan #4019M, 1910/33/43, rest-diner-plr [10], ex-Honey Brook, PRR)--sold to PRR #7003 (1945) sold to Richard S. Kaserman (1956) sold to Mack Lowry-Railroads of America Museum (Cuyahoga Falls, OH) (before 1973) sold to Unusual Junction (West Lafayette, OH) (198?)

Unusuaul Junction also has 2 modified heavyweights (see below photos 5 and 6) and the 1895 Frederick depot, as seen on their website on the "Train Depot" page: http://www.theunusualjunction.com/

Pictures:

1. Marsh Run, picture taken on Christmas Day, 2010: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5147/5635762870_5c0b69559e_o.jpg (Ryan Mills photo)

2. Marsh Run, picture taken on August 16th, 2011: https://www.flickr.com/photos/n8myc/6756939059/sizes/l (Bob McGilvray, Jr. photo)

3. Matchless, picture taken on Christmas Day, 2010: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5147/5635182097_8a74091963_o.jpg (Ryan Mills photo)

4. Matchless, picture taken on August 16th, 2011: https://www.flickr.com/photos/n8myc/6756931769/sizes/l (Bob McGilvray, Jr. photo)

Besides the Marsh Run and Matchless, there are 2 modified heavyweights. These 2 cars appear to both be of PRR origin, but at this time I don't know the identities of either of these cars. What's interesting is that these 2 cars appear to have different numbers at each end!

5. Green car, one end of which is lettered #041297; the car is named Brendan Keeley. Picture taken on August 16th, 2011: https://www.flickr.com/photos/n8myc/6756924619/sizes/l (Bob McGilvray, Jr. photo)

6. Red car, one end of which is lettered #102693; the car is named Maxx Conor. Picture taken on August 16th, 2011: https://www.flickr.com/photos/n8myc/6756947349/sizes/l (Bob McGilvray, Jr. photo)

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:45 am 

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Besides the Marsh Run and Matchless, there are 2 modified heavyweights. These 2 cars appear to both be of PRR origin, but at this time I don't know the identities of either of these cars. What's interesting is that these 2 cars appear to have different numbers at each end!


These two cats are remnants of PRR's extensive fleet of heavyweight cars that were rebuilt to match lightweight cars. Both of them are very rare modernized heavyweight "D70CR" twin-unit diner table cars... something that were very rarely done with some roads who used twin-unit diners buying new cars instead. The Chesapeake & Ohio also had one modernized heavyweight twin-unit diner as well, being the only other example.

The use of two diners on some runs led the PRR to rebuild these old cars to match the lightweight equipment while also creating a set of cars that could better handle the demand that some trains were seeing, with the table car providing seating for 68 passengers which was accompanied by a kitchen - dorm. On rare occasions, to meet customer demand, some kitchen - dorm cars were operated with two table cars with the larger kitchens being able to the extra demand.

Here are links to diagrams for the PRR's unique cars...

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=d70cr.gif&sel=din&sz=sm&fr=
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=d70cr_fp.gif&sel=din&sz=sm&fr=
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=d70dr.gif&sel=din&sz=sm&fr=
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=d70dr_fp.gif&sel=din&sz=sm&fr=

As for the numbers... the ones on the cars are not their actual PRR numbers. Will try to find the numbers that were assigned to these cars later today.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:21 am 
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I received information the other day from David Conrad regarding the Pullman cars owned by the Valley Railroad, including 3 additional survivors:

On 1/10/2014 on Page #7, Rainier Rails wrote:
207. Wayfarer (Lot #6077, Plan #4075, 1927/37, lng-plr [14 seats], WAB, ex-Wallingford)--sold to WAB (1945) to N&W?? to Valley RR--see here: http://www.newenglandcustomrail.com/Rail%20Photos/Essex/Normal20020708/DSC00027%20copy.jpg (New England Custom Rail photo)

207. Wayfarer (Lot #6077, Plan #4075, 1927/37, lng-plr [14], Merchants Limited/WAB, ex-Wallingford)--sold to WAB (1945) sold to KCS #501 (April 1952) sold to Reader RR #500 Rambler (circa 1960) sold to Valley RR (circa 1970), restored as Wallingford

On 1/18/2014 on Page #11, Rainier Rails wrote:
261. Da Costa (Lot #6087, Plan #3416C, 1927, 1DR-plr [28 seats], PRR)--sold to PRR #7068 (1945) to Valley RR

261. Da Costa (Lot #6087, Plan #3416C, 1927, 1DR-plr [28], PRR)--sold to PRR #7068 (1945) to MofW #WX92115 (1956) later renumbered to #492115, sold to Toledo, Lake Erie & Western (when??) sold to J.M. Hebda (circa May 1988) sold to Valley RR (circa July 1988), restored as Dacosta

On 8/23/2014 on Page #20, Rainier Rails wrote:
334. Great Republic (Lot #6325, Plan #4001, 1930, plr [34])--sold to NYNH&H (1945)--sold to Jim Bradley (196?)--sold to Valley RR (1988??)

334. Great Republic (Lot #6325, Plan #4001, 1930, plr [34], Yankee Clipper)--sold to NYNH&H #2050 (1945) sold to Jim Bradley (circa 1964) sold to Valley RR (June 1993)

Additional Survivors:

379. Toreador (Lot #4217, Plan #4033, 1913/33, restaurant [20]-lng [10]-plr [12], NYC, ex-Navarre)--sold to NYC #499 (1942) to P&LE MofW #300601 (circa 8/3/1956), assigned to East Youngstown wreck train, sold to Valley RR (August 1988)

380. Provincetown (1st) (Lot #4803, Plan #3917E, 1924/35, 1DR-lng [10]-plr [24], Merchants Limited)--sold to NYNH&H #2071 (1945). In September 1948, the New Haven swapped the names of a dozen parlors, the Provincetown (1st) was renamed to Plymouth (2nd), while the Plymouth (1st) was renamed to the Auburn (2nd). The Provincetown (1st)/Plymouth (2nd) was transferred to MofW as the #W-215 and assigned to the Dover Street wreck train (circa 1960), later used as office space in Boston, sold to Valley RR (circa January 1986)

While not built by Pullman, I decided to assign this car a line item number as I did with the St. Hyacinthe at CSRM:

381. Lindsay (CC&F, 1923, 12S-1DR) built as CN #1573, rebuilt to 8S-1DR-2C #1814 (1947) transferred to MofW as #54952 (circa 1979) sold to Brett Gretmuller (when??) sold to Stephen McAllister (when??) sold to Valley RR (September 2009)

In Addition:

On 8/25/2014 on Page #21, Rainier Rails wrote:
Missed This One:

343. Melanie (Lot #3950, Plan #2416, 1912, 1DR-plr [26])--sold to NYC (1941) sold to CN and rebuilt to GTW coach #5316 (1941*) to IRM (when??)

*IRM lists the #5316 as being modernized in 1951.

IRM photo gallery for GTW #5316: http://www.irm.org/gallery/GTW5316

Thread from October 2002: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4092

David noted that the #5316 was acquired by Robert Johnson in the 1970's, and it was moved to IRM, to which he left the car.

On 1/12/2014 on Page #9, Rainier Rails wrote:
I wonder...

Besides SOU #2523 Glen Summit, Glen Saddell (still pending), PRR #8836 John Greenleaf Whittier, and Palm Lane (on long term lease from CNY Chapter), are there any additional heavyweight sleepers that have been acquired by Iowa Pacific/SLRG, either already listed as a survivor in this thread or otherwise??
On 1/12/2014 on Page #9, jmlaboda wrote:
This is from the roster presented in the Trains magazine article, June 2013. A couple of the names don't show up in Tom Madden's Pullman Car Construction Records...

SLRG 9169 Euopolis Not its Pullman name
SLRG 9170 University Club
SLRG 9180 Country Club Not its Pullman name???
On 1/12/2014 on Page #9, Rainier Rails wrote:
Thanks, Jerry, for the info on Iowa Pacific's heavyweight sleeper acquisitions!

231. University Club (Lot #6274, Plan #3989A, 1929, 8S-buf-sol-lng-obs, PRR)--sold to PRR #8629 (1948) to unknown to SLRG #9170 (201?)

232. Eupolis [sic]* (Lot #4624, Plan #2411C, 1921, 12S-1DR-1C, PRR)--sold to PRR #8706 (1948) to unknown to SLRG #9169 (201?)

*Looks like somewhere along the way an "o" got added to the spelling.

233. Anthracite Club (Lot #6274, Plan #3989U, 1929, 8S-buf-sol-lng-obs, PRR, ex-Country Club)--sold to PRR #8620 (1948) to unknown to SLRG #9180 (201?)

I searched the CCR database for all cars with "Country Club" in the name and came up with a total of nine. Two were sold to NdeM from NYC/Big Four, of six total sold to CCC&StL at the 12/31/1948 divestiture. Two were sold to SOU on 12/31/1948 as #2507 and #2508. The only one acquired by PRR on 12/31/1948 was Anthracite Club, which had been renamed in 1940 from Country Club. The eight other cars all had prefixes on their "Country Club" names; for example, Pepper Pike Country Club and Ashland Country Club (the two cars sold to SOU). The car sold to PRR was the only car without a prefix, just that it had been renamed before the divestiture.

I can only guess that line items 231-233 were acquired by SLRG from the same place, as they all share the common PRR heritage.

Using the Internet Archive, I found a cached version of the Ozark Mountain Railcar sale page of the Country Club/Anthracite Club, cached on 2/25/2009: http://web.archive.org/web/20090225075205/http://ozarkmountainrailcar.com/country_club.htm

I didn't see any evidence that the University Club or Eupolis were listed for sale on OMR, so at this point in time I'm not sure if Iowa Pacific acquired all 3 from the same owner. Can anyone provide more information? Thanks in advance!

Here are the 3 pictures of the Country Club/Anthracite Club from the cached OMR page, as PAPX #492383:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090225075205/http://ozarkmountainrailcar.com/Left%20Obs%20End%20new%20paint.JPG

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http://web.archive.org/web/20090225075205/http://ozarkmountainrailcar.com/countryclub-.jpg

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http://web.archive.org/web/20090225075205/http://ozarkmountainrailcar.com/countryclub-1.jpg

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Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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One note regarding 380. Provincetown (1st): renamed "Meriden" 8/1989.
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261. Da Costa (Lot #6087, Plan #3416C, 1927, 1DR-plr [28], PRR)--sold to PRR #7068 (1945) to MofW #WX92115 (1956) later renumbered to #492115, sold to Toledo, Lake Erie & Western (when??) sold to J.M. Hebda (circa May 1988) sold to Valley RR (circa July 1988), restored as Dacosta


Paint looks like Seaboard Air Line Pullman green which was lighter and greener than typical Pullman green...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ET6REQTHPQE/U20kjbkUkTI/AAAAAAAABBM/kbvuBnwMk4g/s1600/DaCosta+9May14+Crop.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hJY7XzLMCsM/VFAWqR2tDgI/AAAAAAAABL4/A0N3XLrUVQQ/s1600/Dacosta.2%2B019%2BResize.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hJY7XzLMCsM/VFAWqR2tDgI/AAAAAAAABL4/A0N3XLrUVQQ/s1600/Dacosta.2%2B019%2BResize.jpg

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334. Great Republic (Lot #6325, Plan #4001, 1930, plr [34], Yankee Clipper)--sold to NYNH&H #2050 (1945) sold to Jim Bradley (circa 1964) sold to Valley RR (June 1993)


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A Mystery Car:

A photo of this car is currently listed for sale on Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cabot-Cabot-Forbes-Passenger-Car-Original-35mm-Railroad-Slide-/111038303533?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19da660d2d

The car is lettered Cabot, Cabot & Forbes, a Boston-based real estate firm, however, there is no name visible on the car; the photo is dated December 1969. Interesting use of gold paint, not only for the roof, belt rail, and lettering, but also on the trucks, couplers, and underbody equipment!

Does anyone know this car's identity and/or current status/disposition? There appears to be 8 sections and a lounge solarium observation at the non-vestibule end. Thanks in advance!

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A photo of this car is currently listed for sale on Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cabot-Cabo ... 19da660d2d


Its a Plan 4025U 8 Sect - buffet lounge but so far nothing on its history.

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I believe that Steve Torrico of The Pullman Company told me they have about 25 heavy weights awaiting restoration for service and an equal number of stainless steel cars some of which are currently in service and some of which are being restored.


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256. Vicker (Lot #3880, Plan #3411, 1911/32, 10S-3DB, PRR/SOU, ex-William Lewis Sharkey, nee-Binstead)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold ...


In researching former L&N Pullmans, this is a little confusing.

Pullman Project record 4167 lists the William Lewis Sharkey being Lot 4367/Plan4036 rebuilt or converted from 2410E Hargwen to L&N 1948.

Jerry Laboda's page also lists Pullman Robert F. Hoke as ex L&N William Lewis Sharkey Plan 3979 for Frisco.

Can anyone clarify which of the information is correct?


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KComer300 wrote:
Rainier Rails wrote:
256. Vicker (Lot #3880, Plan #3411, 1911/32, 10S-3DB, PRR/SOU, ex-William Lewis Sharkey, nee-Binstead)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold ...


In researching former L&N Pullmans, this is a little confusing.

Pullman Project record 4167 lists the William Lewis Sharkey being Lot 4367/Plan4036 rebuilt or converted from 2410E Hargwen to L&N 1948.

Jerry Laboda's page also lists Pullman Robert F. Hoke as ex L&N William Lewis Sharkey Plan 3979 for Frisco.

Can anyone clarify which of the information is correct?


KComer--

There were at least 3 different sleepers that carried the name William Lewis Sharkey, all for Southern's Crescent Limited, hence the multiple records as seen here; all are correct. Names of sleepers assigned to the CL were reused, so there are several names which appear more than once in the records, William Wyatt Bibb is another example. In fact, there were 4 different William names that were used.

Hope this helps to clear things up.

I'll post more later.

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Ranier Rails- Thanks for the info!

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Kevin, here's more info on the names used for the Crescent Limited:

Adrian Iselin:

See Francis Marion (1st).

Alexander B. Andrews:

1st: see George Poindexter (1st).

2nd: Plan #3410 12S-1DR renamed in 9/1941 from McDoel (built in 4/1925 in Lot #4845), sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2460, scrapped in 1959.

Andrew Pickens:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 11/1929 to Point Bede, rebuilt in 6/1941 to Plan #4090D 8S-1DR-3DB London Tower, sold 12/31/1948 to PM (C&O), rebuilt in 8/1949 to Plan #4176 8RM-3DB-2DR Old White, renamed in 12/1953 to New River Gorge, scrapped in 1959.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 10/1929 in Lot #6284, rebuilt in 4/1939 to Plan #4074D 10S-1DR-2DB (same name, still assigned to Crescent Limited), sold 12/31/1948 to L&N, returned to Pullman in 3/1961, sold in 2/1966 to Hyman-Michaels (scrap dealer).

A.S. Buford:

See George Wythe (1st).

Benjamin Grubb Humphreys:

Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, rebuilt in 8/1938 to Plan #4074B 10S-1DR-2DB James Lane Allen for assignment to the Pan-American, sold 12/31/1948 to L&N, returned to Pullman 5/1/1961, sold in 2/1966 to Hyman-Michaels.

Campbell Wallace:

See Robert Toombs (1st).

Charles H. Coster:

See William Wyatt Bibb (1st).

Edmund W. Pettus:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 11/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to James Gadsden, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU (GS&F) #6201, rebuilt c. 1952 to baggage-express GS&F #6459, later acquired by John Birmingham-Boulder Scientific (line item #354).

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2427, rebuilt c. 1952 to baggage-express #462.

Edward Cary Walthall:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to William Aiken, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU (GS&F) #6206, rebuilt c. 1952 to baggage-express GS&F #6454, later acquired by North Carolina Transportation Museum (line item #70).

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2428, scrapped in 1954.

Edward C. Marshall:

See P.G.T. Beauregard (1st).

Francis Lynde Stetson:

See William Lewis Sharkey (1st).

Francis Marion:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 11/1929 to Adrian Iselin, renamed in 12/1933 to Point Harbor, rebuilt in 12/1950 to Plan #4179 6S-4RM-4DB Fir Peak, sold in 2/1966 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 10/1929 in Lot #6284, sold 12/31/1948 to PRR #8681, scrapped in 1962.

Francis T. Nicholls:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to John S. Barbour, rebuilt in 7/1950 to Plan #4179 6S-4RM-4DB Fir Hills, sold in 2/1964 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, rebuilt in 6/1939 to Plan #4074D 10S-1DR-2DB Fuller E. Callaway (still assigned to Crescent Limited), sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2447, scrapped in 1964.

Francois Xavier Martin:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to W.W. Finley, sold 12/31/1948 to PRR #8686, modified in 1960 to MofW #493823.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2429, rebuilt in 1955 to coach #1040 (1st), later renumbered to #1039 (2nd), rebuilt in 1/1980 to MofW rider car #960423, to NS, sold 4/1996 to Chuck Jensen, later acquired by Mid-America Car & Locomotive Repair (MALX) (Evansville, IN), sold to East Tennessee Rail Car Services, moved to Oak Ridge, TN (line item #278).

Fuller E. Callaway:

See Francis T. Nicholls (2nd).

George Poindexter:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 11/1929 to Alexander B. Andrews (1st), rebuilt in 8/1938 to Plan #4074B 10S-1DR-2DB Sidney Lanier for assignment to the Pan-American, sold 12/31/1948 to L&N, returned to Pullman 6/28/1961, sold in 4/1964 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 10/1929 in Lot #6284, rebuilt in 7/1939 to Plan #4074D 10S-1DR-2DB (same name, still assigned to Crescent Limited), sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2448, scrapped in 1961.

George Wythe:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 11/1929 to A.S. Buford, renamed in 12/1933 to Point St. Joseph, rebuilt in 9/1950 to Plan #4179 6S-4RM-4DB Fir Slope, sold 2/1966 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, renamed in 6/1932 to Reservation Peak, rebuilt in 8/1937 to Plan #4074 10S-1DR-2DB Scenic Ridge, sold 12/31/1948 to Erie, rebuilt in 1/1951 to Plan #4182 4S-6RM-4DB (same name), wrecked 6/1959 on Wabash, sold 7/1960 to Calumet Iron & Supply for scrapping.

3rd: see William Davidson (2nd).

Henry D. McDaniel:

Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU (GS&F) #6200, rebuilt c. 1952 to baggage-express GS&F #6455.

Henry W. Grady:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to Point Phillip, rebuilt in 6/1941 to Plan #4090D 8S-1DR-3DB Watching Tower, repainted in 10/1956 to IC Chocolate & Orange, sold in 1/1966 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3958A 14S built in 10/1929 in Lot #6285, renamed in 6/1932 to Park Summit, sold 12/31/1948 to NKP, rebuilt c. 1956 to snack counter (refreshment car) #12.

3rd: Plan #2412H 10S-4 private sections rebuilt in 5/1932 from Plan #2412 16S Graytown (built in 3/1911 in Lot #3878), rebuilt in 10/1937 to Plan #4042B 10S-2DB-1C Heidelberg College, renamed in 10/1939 to Huntingdon College, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2450, scrapped in 1964.

James Gadsden:

See Edmund W. Pettus (1st).

James W. Wilson:

See Thomas Ruffin (1st).

John H. Inman:

See "Stonewall" Jackson (1st).

John M. Morehead:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to Point Malcolm, rebuilt in 11/1937 to Plan #4074A 10S-1DR-2DB Scenic Rapids, sold 12/31/1948 to LV, scrapped in 1961.

2nd*: Plan #3958A 14S built in 10/1929 in Lot #6285, renamed in 6/1932 to Park Terrace, sold 12/31/1948 to NKP, withdrawn from lease in 1959.

*Please note that Madden's CCR database incorrectly lists this car as the John W. Morehead.

3rd: Plan #2412H 10S-4 private sections rebuilt in 5/1932 from Plan #2412C 16S Krantwood (built in 12/1914 in Lot #4304), rebuilt in 11/1937 to Plan #4042B 10S-2DB-1C Salem College, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2451, scrapped in 1961.

John S. Barbour:

See Francis T. Nicholls (1st).

John Slidell:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to Point Nipigon, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2432, scrapped in 1954.

2nd: Plan #3958A 14S built in 10/1929 in Lot #6285, renamed in 6/1932 to Park Vista, sold in 1/1966 to Hyman-Michaels.

3rd: Plan #2412H 10S-4 private sections rebuilt in 5/1932 from Plan #2412F 16S Trollope (built in 4/1918 in Lot #4531), rebuilt in 10/1937 to Plan #4042B 10S-2DB-1C Tufts College, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2452, rebuilt c. 1961 to baggage-express #4531, later acquired by the Mississippi Great Southern Chapter NRHS (line item #223).

John T. Morgan:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 11/1929 to Point Levis, rebuilt in 9/1937 to Plan #4074 10S-1DR-2DB Scenic Island, sold 12/31/1948 to Erie, scrapped in 1963.

2nd: Plan #3958A 14S built in 10/1929 in Lot #6285, renamed in 6/1932 to Park Road, retired in 1962.

3rd: Plan #2412H 10S-4 private sections rebuilt in 5/1932 from Plan #2412A 16S Marshland (built in 10/1912 in Lot #4037), wrecked in 8/1933 at Tuxedo, MD (PRR), scrapped in 11/1934.

4th: Plan #2412H 10S-4 private sections renamed in 11/1933 from Daleview, which was rebuilt in 2/1931 from Plan #2412C 16S Nacora (built in 1/1915 in Lot #4304), rebuilt in 10/1937 to Plan #4042B 10S-2DB-1C Smith College, sold 12/31/1948 to SLSF, scrapped in 1962.

John W. Johnston:

See Robert F. Hoke (1st).

Joseph Bryan:

See William Rufus King (1st).

P.G.T. Beauregard:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to Edward C. Marshall, rebuilt in 6/1940 to Plan #4090D 8S-1DR-3DB Anselin's Tower, sold 12/31/1948 to ACL, scrapped in 1964.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, renamed in 7/1932 to Avalanche Peak, rebuilt in 8/1937 to Plan #4074 10S-1DR-2DB Scenic Cascade, sold 12/31/1948 to Erie, rebuilt in 12/1950 to Plan #4182 4S-6RM-4DB (same name), withdrawn from lease in 5/1961 and numbered as #75.

3rd: see William Wyatt Bibb (2nd).

Robert F. Hoke:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to John W. Johnston, rebuilt in 7/1950 to Plan #4179 6S-4RM-4DB Fir Lake, sold in 1/1964 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, renamed in 6/1932 to Quadrant Peak, sold 12/31/1948 to ACL, scrapped in 1960.

3rd: see William Lewis Sharkey (2nd).

Robert Toombs:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to Campbell Wallace, rebuilt in 6/1950 to Plan #4179 6S-4RM-4DB Fir Crest, sold in 5/1964 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2436, rebuilt in 1955 to coach #1042, sold in 1983 to Conrail #25, later acquired by Great Smoky Mountains RR and named Piedmont (line item #226).

Robert Y. Hayne:

See Wade Hampton (1st).

Samuel Spencer:

See William Davidson (1st).

"Stonewall" Jackson:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 9/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 11/1929 to John H. Inman, rebuilt in 7/1950 to Plan #4179 6S-4RM-4DB Fir Glen, sold in 3/1964 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, renamed in 7/1932 to Needle Peak, rebuilt in 8/1937 to Plan #4074 10S-1DR-2DB Scenic Glade, sold in 2/1966 to Hyman-Michaels.

3rd: see William Rufus King (2nd).

Thomas H. Calloway:

See Zebulon B. Vance (1st).

Thomas Ruffin:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to James W. Wilson, renamed in 12/1933 to Point Washington, rebuilt in 12/1950 to Plan #4179 6S-4RM-4DB Fir Springs, sold in 1/1964 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, rebuilt in 7/1939 to Plan #4074D 10S-1DR-2DB (same name, still assigned to Crescent Limited), sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2449, later acquired by Atlanta Chapter NRHS-Southeastern RY Museum (Duluth, GA) (line item #61).

Wade Hampton:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to Robert Y. Hayne (still assigned to Crescent Limited), sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2437, rebuilt c. 1953 to baggage-express #459.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, scrapped by Pullman in 10/1939.

William Aiken:

See Edward Cary Walthall (1st).

William Davidson:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 9/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 11/1929 to Samuel Spencer (still assigned to Crescent Limited), rebuilt in 7/1941 to Plan #4090D 8S-1DR-3DB West Tower, sold 12/31/1948 to ACL, scrapped in 1964.

2nd: Plan #3979A 8S-1DR-2C built in 9/1929 in Lot #6283, renamed in 6/1932 to George Wythe (3rd) (still assigned to Crescent Limited), repainted in 4/1949 to PRR Tuscan Red, repainted in 11/1951 to Pullman Green, sold in 3/1964 to Hyman-Michaels.

3rd: Plan #3411 10S-3DB rebuilt in 4/1932 from Plan #2411 12S-1DR-1C Ravensworth (built in 3/1911 in Lot #3880), renamed in 2/1940 to Bluefield (2nd) for assignment to N&W, sold 5/31/1961 to L&N and rebuilt to baggage-dormitory #1650 for assignment/lease to Atomic Energy Commission.

4th: Plan #4036F 8S-5DB rebuilt in 2/1940 from Plan #2410F 12S-1DR Burleigh (built in 11/1916 in Lot #4431), sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2516, scrapped in 1964.

William Lewis Sharkey:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 11/1929 to Francis Lynde Stetson, rebuilt in 9/1938 to Plan #4074B 10S-1DR-2DB John Trotwood Moore for assignment to the Pan-American, sold 12/31/1948 to L&N, returned to Pullman 5/31/1961, sold 10/1964 to Midwest Steel (scrap dealer).

2nd: Plan #3979A 8S-1DR-2C built in 9/1929 in Lot #6283, renamed in 5/1932 to Robert F. Hoke (3rd) (still assigned to Crescent Limited), sold 12/31/1948 to SLSF, scrapped in 1964.

3rd: Plan #3411 10S-3DB rebuilt in 4/1932 from Plan #2411B 12S-1DR-1C Binstead (built in 3/1911 in Lot #3880), renamed in 4/1940 to Vicker (2nd) for assigned to N&W, sold 5/1/1961 to L&N and rebuilt to baggage-dormitory #1652 for assignment/lease to Atomic Energy Commission, later acquired by West Florida RR Museum (Milton) (line item #256).

4th: Plan #4036F 8S-5DB rebuilt in 2/1940 from Plan #2410E 12S-1DR Hargwen (built in 2/1916 in Lot #4367), sold 12/31/1948 to L&N, scrapped in 1963.

William Rufus King:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to Joseph Bryan, sold 12/31/1948 to SOU (GS&F) #6202, scrapped in 1954.

2nd: Plan #3979A 8S-1DR-2C built in 9/1929 in Lot #6283, renamed in 6/1932 to "Stonewall" Jackson (3rd) (still assigned to Crescent Limited), sold 12/31/1948 to C&O, sold 10/1950 to NdeM and renamed Cacahuamilpa, withdrawn from lease 4/1962.

3rd: Plan #3411 10S-3DB rebuilt in 4/1932 from Plan #2411B 12S-1DR-1C Beach Haven (built in 7/1910 in Lot #3800), renamed in 4/1940 to Pembroke (2nd) for assignment to N&W, sold 6/28/1961 to L&N and rebuilt to baggage-dormitory #1651 for assignment/lease to Atomic Energy Commission.

4th: Plan #4036F 8S-5DB rebuilt in 2/1940 from Plan #2410F 12S-1DR Naughton (built in 11/1916 in Lot #4431), sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2517, scrapped in 1963.

William Wyatt Bibb:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 11/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 11/1929 to Charles H. Coster, renamed in 12/1933 to Point Paloway, rebuilt in 8/1950 to Plan #4179 6S-4RM-4DB Fir Range, repainted in 8/1959 to T&P (MP), sold in 5/1964 to Hyman-Michaels.

2nd: Plan #3979A 8S-1DR-2C built in 9/1929 in Lot #6283, renamed in 5/1932 to P.G.T. Beauregard (3rd) (still assigned to Crescent Limited), sold 12/31/1948 to SLSF, scrapped in 1961.

3rd: Plan #3411 10S-3DB rebuilt in 4/1932 from Plan #2411C 12S-1DR-1C Bucyrus (built in 5/1917 in Lot #4494), renamed in 4/1940 to Powhatan (2nd) for assignment to N&W, retired in 1/1962.

4th: Plan #4036F 8S-5DB rebuilt in 2/1940 from Plan #2410F 12S-1DR Oreval (built in 7/1917 in Lot #4503), sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2518, scrapped in 1962.

W.W. Finley:

See Francois Xavier Martin (1st).

Zebulon B. Vance:

1st: Plan #3584A 10S-2DR built in 10/1925 in Lot #4899, renamed in 10/1929 to Thomas H. Calloway (still assigned to Crescent Limited), sold 12/31/1948 to SOU #2438, rebuilt c. 1953 to baggage-express #463.

2nd: Plan #3584B 10S-2DR built in 9/1929 in Lot #6284, sold 12/31/1948 to PRR #8687, scrapped in 1955.

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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