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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:40 pm 
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Rainier Rails wrote:
CB&Q coach #7100 (# of seats, builder, and year?)
Bulby wrote:
This car was built in the Aurora Shops by the CB&Q for commuter service on the "racetrack" between Chicago and Aurora...She dates to 1928, and seated 87. (IIRC)


Thanks, Bulby, for the info!

Don C. wrote:
Choteau Coulee and White Pines Lake appear to be taken while both were assigned to the same set of the Empire Builder. The background and triple track mainline would indicate Naperville, IL, on the CB&Q...Park Creek Pass appears to be in the CB&Q 14th Street coach yard in Chicago with the view taken from the mainline side near the St. Charles Air Line bridge.


Thanks, Don, for identifying these locations!

More Photos:

Photo #69: CB&Q 52 seat chair #4712 Silver Crown (Budd, 1940, general pool/Sam Houston Zephyr) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072341

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Photo #70: CB&Q coach #4541 (# of seats, builder, and year?), I believe this is also Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072342

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Photo #71: California Zephyr CZ-16 6DB-5C sleeper CB&Q #450 Silver Dove (Budd, 1948), this could also be in Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072343

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Photo #72: Texas Zephyr C&S 12S sleeper #654 Silver Screen (ex-CB&Q #414, Budd, 1936). Again, like photo #65, this slide was taken between 1957 and 1965. The Silver Screen was articulated to C&S 12S sleeper #653 Silver Skates (ex-CB&Q #413), and this pair of sleepers was also part of the TZ trainset sold to the Civic Plaza National Bank, then to Saudi Arabia. This slide was also likely taken in Denver.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072344

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
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Photo #73: Texas Zephyr C&S 12S sleeper #655 Silver Tone (ex-CB&Q #415, Budd, 1936) likely also at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072345

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Photo #74: Texas Zephyr C&S 40 seat diner #751 Silver Grill (ex-CB&Q #152, Budd, 1936). The Silver Grill was articulated to C&S 38 seat chair #603 Silver Lake (ex-CB&Q #4632) and 64 seat chair #602 Silver City (ex-CB&Q #4631). These 3 cars were also part of the TZ trainset sold to the Civic Plaza National Bank, then to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072346

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Photo #75: CB&Q 60' RPO #2342 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072347

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Photo #76: C&S RPO-baggage #254 (builder and year?) at Denver. The #254 is now at the Colorado RR Museum in Golden.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072348

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:27 pm 
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Photo #77: CB&Q Twin Cities Zephyr 54 seat chair 24 seat dome #4728 Silver Wave (Budd, 1947):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072349

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Photo #78: CB&Q Twin Cities Zephyr 54 seat chair 24 seat dome #4725 Silver Island (Budd, 1947) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072350

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Photo #79: CB&Q modified heavyweight business car #100 (2nd) (ex-WP #100, exx-CB&Q #100 [2nd], nee-EP&SW #1914, Pullman, 1913/40/51):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072351

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Photo #80: CB&Q RPO-baggage #1947 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072352

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:17 am 
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More Photos:

Photo #81: CB&Q Kansas City Zephyr 24 seat chair 23 seat buffet lounge dormitory (crew locker) 24 seat dome #320 Silver Garden (Budd, 1952):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072905

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Photo #82: A second photo of Texas Zephyr C&S 12S sleeper #655 Silver Tone (ex-CB&Q #415, Budd, 1936)

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072906

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Photo #83: CB&Q shadowlined Plan #4084 6S-6DB sleeper #670 (2nd) (ex-#667 [1st], exx-Poplar Flat, exxx-PULL, nee-Plan #2410F 12S-1DR Montevaldo, Lot #4450, 1917/39):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072907

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Photo #84: CB&Q 56 seat chair-8 seat smoker #4651 (ex-C&NW #820, nee-#3457, P-S, 1947):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072908

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Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #80: CB&Q RPO-baggage #1947 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072352


While I'm not positive that they are sister cars, #1947 is very close to IRM's RPO-baggage CB&Q #1923, which is an 1914 product of AC&F. There are a few detail differences, including a blanked off third window on the #1947.

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:33 am 
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Rainier Rails wrote:
CB&Q RPO-baggage #1947 (builder and year?)
Bulby wrote:
While I'm not positive that they are sister cars, #1947 is very close to IRM's RPO-baggage CB&Q #1923, which is an 1914 product of AC&F. There are a few detail differences, including a blanked off third window on the #1947.


Thanks, Bulby, for the info!

More Photos:

Photo #85: FW&D wood baggage #39 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072909

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Photo #86: CB&Q "Train of the Gods" Nebraska Zephyr auxiliary power-baggage-36 seat chair #961 Apollo (Budd, 1936). This slide was taken after 1963, as the chairs indicate, this space was originally a 32 seat club lounge. Was this slide also taken in Chicago?

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072910

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Photo #87: CB&Q RPO-baggage #1914 (builder and year?), this looks to be Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072911

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Photo #88: CB&Q coach #6117 (# of seats?; Pullman, 1922). The #6117 is now in the collection of the Museum of Transportation:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072912

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:50 am 
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Photo #89: CB&Q Black Hawk 6S-6RM-4DB sleeper #461 Silver Gladiola (Budd, 1952) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072913

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Photo #90: CB&Q baggage-express #1533 (builder and year?) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072914

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Photo #91: Texas Zephyr FW&D 52 seat chair #402 Silver Ore (later CB&Q #4660, Budd, 1937) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072915

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Photo #92: CB&Q instruction car #10 (ex-87 seat commuter coach #7127, 1928/67):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072916

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Photo #93: CB&Q wood baggage-express #1451 in MofW service as #250855 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072917

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Photo #94: CB&Q 52 seat chair #4702 Silver Spring (later BN MofW #968108, Budd, 1938, general pool/Kansas City Zephyr) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072918

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Photo #95: CB&Q diner #176 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072919

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Photo #96: CB&Q Twin Cities Zephyr baggage-38 seat buffet club lounge #801 Silver Salon (Budd, 1947):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072920

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Photo #97: CB&Q 139 seat gallery commuter coach-cab #790 (Budd, 1965) at Chicago:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072921

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Photo #98: California Zephyr CZ-10 24 seat dome 3DB-1DR sleeper 26 seat club lounge observation CB&Q #378 Silver Lookout (Budd, 1952), same location as photo #88:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072922

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Photo #99: California Zephyr CZ-10 24 seat dome 3DB-1DR sleeper 26 seat club lounge observation CB&Q #375 Silver Horizon (Budd, 1948):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072923

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Photo #100: CB&Q business car Burlington (Budd, 1952):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072924

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Photo #101: CB&Q baggage-express-messenger #909 Silver Peak (ex-FW&D #450, rebuilt in 1958 from baggage dormitory-16 seat chair, Budd, 1940, Texas Zephyr). Formerly stored on the Western Maryland Scenic, now owned by California Zephyr Railcar Charters (#800798).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073074

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Photo #102: CB&Q "Train of the Gods" Nebraska Zephyr (Budd, 1936 & 1937):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073075

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Photo #103: CB&Q dynamometer #30 (builder and year?), maybe also in Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073076

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Photo #104: CB&Q streamlined heavyweight business car The Round-Up (ex-#220 Mississippi, exx-chair #4811, exxx-solarium lounge observation #220 Cheyenne-Denver, nee-SP&S parlor solarium observation #570, B&S, 1915/34/43/46/53):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073077

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:57 am 

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Ted, this is really great stuff. I'm sure I'm not the only one enjoying these. A good save on acquiring all these Al Chione slides, and good on him for taking all these so many years ago. I especially like all the lightweight Zephyr shots, particularly since they are mostly 1960's era shots after the cars all have some miles on them.


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I am enjoying this series as well.
As with all slide collections, are we sure Chione took all of these? There appears to be a bit of variation in style, exposure, geography, etc. in these slides, and I thought most of his work was from the east coast.

If you want my guesses at location:
77 Omaha (could be Minneapolis)
86 and 95: just west of Chicago, near Cicero and Clyde Yard
88 and 98: these are on a Notre Dame special. Probably South Bend station?
102: Minneapolis

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:27 am 
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Topfuel wrote:
Ted, this is really great stuff. I'm sure I'm not the only one enjoying these. A good save on acquiring all these Al Chione slides, and good on him for taking all these so many years ago. I especially like all the lightweight Zephyr shots, particularly since they are mostly 1960's era shots after the cars all have some miles on them.

Thanks, Topfuel!

I'm looking to acquire some additional Al Chione slides, so hopefully sometime next week I'll have more to upload.

ctjacks wrote:
I am enjoying this series as well.
As with all slide collections, are we sure Chione took all of these? There appears to be a bit of variation in style, exposure, geography, etc. in these slides, and I thought most of his work was from the east coast.

If you want my guesses at location:
77 Omaha (could be Minneapolis)
86 and 95: just west of Chicago, near Cicero and Clyde Yard
88 and 98: these are on a Notre Dame special. Probably South Bend station?
102: Minneapolis

Thanks, Chris!

In regards to whether or not Al Chione took these slides or if they were slides that were part of his collection, in his description for these slides, the seller said the following:

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In years past, Al Chione had the inside track with many of the most highly regarded rail photographers across the country. He would sift through their collections for the best of the best, and then duplicate those slides and offer them in limited numbered sets to appreciative collectors.


More Photos:

16 CB&Q slides to go, here's the next 4.

Photo #105: CB&Q Plan #4120A 4DB-1C sleeper 27 seat buffet lounge observation #483 (ex-Plan #4120 5DB sleeper 26 seat buffet lounge observation Minneapolis Club, P-S, 1948/54, North Coast Limited) at Denver. I hadn't realized before that CB&Q had repainted the #483 from Loewy Two-Tone Green to Silver before retirement in 1967 and subsequent sale to Solano Rail Car Company. The #483 is now owned by Dave and Lewis Foster and located in Roanoke.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073078

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Photo #106: CB&Q modernized wood & steel sheathed business car #92 (ex-Burlington [1st], exx-USRA #8, nee-Black Hawk [1st], Pullman, 1902) at Denver Union Station. The #92 was sold in 1966 to Bill Howes and David Stare; Bill sold the car in 1975. After several subsequent owners, including a time spent on Jack Showalter's Alleghany Central, the #92 is now inside the Main Street Station Casino in Las Vegas, as discussed in this thread: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=37233

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073079

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Photo #107: A second photo of California Zephyr CZ-10 24 seat dome 3DB-1DR sleeper 26 seat club lounge observation CB&Q #378 Silver Lookout (Budd, 1952):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073080

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Photo #108: A second photo of CB&Q "Train of the Gods" Nebraska Zephyr auxiliary power-baggage-36 seat chair #961 Apollo (Budd, 1936). Like photo #86, this slide was taken after 1963, as the chairs indicate.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073081

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Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #108: A second photo of CB&Q "Train of the Gods" Nebraska Zephyr auxiliary power-baggage-36 seat chair #961 Apollo (Budd, 1936). Like photo #86, this slide was taken after 1963, as the chairs indicate.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073081


I'm pretty sure this is Galesburg, IL before the "Advance Track" and the house tracks were torn out. The roof line of the building in the background is distinctive. The platform edges also match what little remains of the original Galesburg platforms.

The car would be on Main #1 with the train facing west, if I am correct. Did the westbound Nebraska Zephyr run combined to Galesburg in the last years? Could this have been taken while a combined train was being split?

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A correction for photo #102:

After looking at the image again, I realized it is not of the Nebraska Zephyr, due to the vestibule being located at mid-length. After looking at photos of several of the other CB&Q Budd prewar observations, I narrowed it down: the slide in question showed either the #302 Silver Hours or the #303 Silver Fountain. Looking closely at some specific details, I concluded the slide is of the #303 Silver Fountain, as the #302 had several more bumps in the smooth skirting at the observation end, and lacked the typical brake application red plunger above the rear truck, which is present on the #303.

Bulby wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is Galesburg, IL before the "Advance Track" and the house tracks were torn out. The roof line of the building in the background is distinctive. The platform edges also match what little remains of the original Galesburg platforms.

The car would be on Main #1 with the train facing west, if I am correct. Did the westbound Nebraska Zephyr run combined to Galesburg in the last years? Could this have been taken while a combined train was being split?


Thanks, Bulby, for identifying the location as Galesburg! I don't know anything regarding the Nebraska Zephyr being combined/split at Galesburg; however, one of the other slides of the NZ, photo #62, does show several (4 or 5) heavyweight mail & express cars ahead of the articulated trainset. Would it make any sense that these m & e cars were added/removed at Galesburg?

More Photos:

Photo #109: Texas Zephyr C&S 12S sleeper #653 Silver Skates (ex-CB&Q #413, Budd, 1936) at Denver. As noted with photo #72, the Silver Skates was articulated to Silver Screen.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073082

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Photo #110: CB&Q 48 seat diner #202 Silver Tureen (Budd, 1956, Denver Zephyr) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073083

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Photo #111: CB&Q diner #178 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073084

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Photo #112: CB&Q diner #182 (builder and year?) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073085

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