Al Chione Slides

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:25 am

More Photos:

Photo #113: CB&Q 52 seat chair #4710 Silver Cloud (Budd, 1940, general pool) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073086

Photo #114: CB&Q streamlined heavyweight Plan #4090E 8S-1DR-3DB sleeper #665 (2nd) (ex-#650 [1st], exx-Denver Tower, exxx-PULL, nee-Plan #3584A 10S-2DR Point Caswell, Lot #4961, 1926/41) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073087

Photo #115: CB&Q 6S-6RM-4DB sleeper #464 Silver Orchid (Budd, 1952, Black Hawk):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073088

Photo #116: CB&Q 6S-6RM-4DB sleeper #460 Silver Flower (Budd, 1952, American Royal Zephyr):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073089

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:59 am

More Photos:

Here are the last 4 slides.

Photo #117: Texas Zephyr C&S 12S sleeper #654 Silver Screen (ex-CB&Q #414, Budd, 1936). As noted with photo #72, Silver Screen was articulated to C&S 12S sleeper #653 Silver Skates (ex-CB&Q #413).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073090

Photo #118: California Zephyr 26 seat buffet lounge 18 bunk dormitory 24 seat dome CB&Q #251 Silver Lounge (Budd, 1948). The Silver Lounge is now the Sierra Hotel (#800275): http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3908762

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073091

Photo #119: CB&Q RPO-baggage-express #1911 (builder and year?) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073092

Photo #120: CB&Q 48 seat diner #198 Silver Cuisine (Budd, 1952, Nebraska Zephyr) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073093

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Bulby · **Joined:** Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:45 pm **Posts:** 257

Rainier Rails wrote:

Bulby wrote:

I'm pretty sure this is Galesburg, IL before the "Advance Track" and the house tracks were torn out. The roof line of the building in the background is distinctive. The platform edges also match what little remains of the original Galesburg platforms.

The car would be on Main #1 with the train facing west, if I am correct. Did the westbound Nebraska Zephyr run combined to Galesburg in the last years? Could this have been taken while a combined train was being split?

Thanks, Bulby, for identifying the location as Galesburg! I don't know anything regarding the Nebraska Zephyr being combined/split at Galesburg; however, one of the other slides of the NZ, photo #62, does show several (4 or 5) heavyweight mail & express cars ahead of the articulated trainset. Would it make any sense that these m & e cars were added/removed at Galesburg?

Based on the Burlington Route Historical Society's page, at the time this was taken (somewhere between 1963-1968), the NZ was running combined with the Coloradoan between Chicago and Omaha; with the NZ articulated cars carrying the Coloradoan's passengers and the Coloradoan's head end cars between the NZ and the motive power. I'm fairly certain this IS Galesburg, with the train facing west, having stood in the exact spot the photographer would have stood to take that photo.

Perhaps more head end cars were being added and the crew chose to put them between the head end cars they had and the passengers? This would make sense if an RPO was in the consist out of Chicago. That would be my guess.

Don C. · **Posted:** Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:08 pm

A few more additions to this thread:

Photo 70: 4541 was built by Pullman in 8/27 as 6128 and then rebuilt and renumbered 4541 in 1/38.

Photo 75: 2342 was built by AC&F. Sister 2340 was built 11/24.

Photo 80: 1947 was built by AC&F.

Photo 87: 1914 was built by AC&F.

Photo 88: 6117 and 6118 were built as an unusual (for the CB&Q at least) combination coach-chair car. Note the window spacing of the first seven windows in the body of the coach, then the wider window divider and then the closer spacing of the remaining windows.

Photo 90: 1523 was built by AC&F.

Photo 94: Silver Spring was built for the general service pool, not the Kansas City Zephyr.

Photo 95: 176 was built by AC&F in 1917.

Photo 99: This shot appears to be at Grand Junction, CO, on Train 17, the westbound California Zephyr.

Photo 108: The Kansas City Zephyr and the Nebraska Zephyr were combined between Chicago and Galesburg, IL, effective October 28, 1962. Until the articulated NZ was removed from service on January 21, 1968, the NZ passenger consist operated at the rear of the train with the KCZ cars ahead of them. The majority of the headend cars were destined for Council Bluffs, Omaha and Lincoln and they were added to the articulated NZ consist while the KCZ was setout as a block (one or two headend cars including a RPO, a parlor-diner-observation running backwards, a dome coach and generally one more coach, depending on the traffic requirements) for continuation to KC. With a switchman riding the stirrup, I would surmise that the depot switch engine is shoving the NZ articulated cars towards a joint with the headend cars. When the NZ equipment was retired, the consist was reversed with the diner-parlor-observation assigned to the KC train running on the rear so the parlor car patrons could enjoy the rearward view. This arrangement only lasted until April 10, 1968, when the KCZ was discontinued west of W. Quincy, MO, and became the "Quincy local".
Photo 111: 178 was built by Pullman in 1922.

Photo 112: 182 was built by Pullman in 1922, also.

Photo 116: The "Burlington Box" style depot, trees and antenna on the roof most likely makes the photo taken at Alliance, NE, on Train 42 or 43.

Photo 120: Dining car Silver Cuisine was not assigned to the Nebraska Zephyr (it had a diner in the articulated trainset) but was a general pool car. I believe it was equipped for audio so it could freely substitute in the CZ and maintain the integrity of the train's sound system.

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:24 pm

Bulby wrote:

Based on the Burlington Route Historical Society's page, at the time this was taken (somewhere between 1963-1968), the NZ was running combined with the Coloradoan between Chicago and Omaha; with the NZ articulated cars carrying the Coloradoan's passengers and the Coloradoan's head end cars between the NZ and the motive power. I'm fairly certain this IS Galesburg, with the train facing west, having stood in the exact spot the photographer would have stood to take that photo.

Perhaps more head end cars were being added and the crew chose to put them between the head end cars they had and the passengers? This would make sense if an RPO was in the consist out of Chicago. That would be my guess.

Thanks, Bulby, for all the info!

Don C. wrote:

A few more additions to this thread:

Photo 70: 4541 was built by Pullman in 8/27 as 6128 and then rebuilt and renumbered 4541 in 1/38.

Photo 75: 2342 was built by AC&F. Sister 2340 was built 11/24.

Photo 80: 1947 was built by AC&F.

Photo 87: 1914 was built by AC&F.

Photo 88: 6117 and 6118 were built as an unusual (for the CB&Q at least) combination coach-chair car. Note the window spacing of the first seven windows in the body of the coach, then the wider window divider and then the closer spacing of the remaining windows.

Photo 90: 1523 was built by AC&F.

Photo 95: 176 was built by AC&F in 1917.

Photo 99: This shot appears to be at Grand Junction, CO, on Train 17, the westbound California Zephyr.

Photo 108: The Kansas City Zephyr and the Nebraska Zephyr were combined between Chicago and Galesburg, IL, effective October 28, 1962. Until the articulated NZ was removed from service on January 21, 1968, the NZ passenger consist operated at the rear of the train with the KCZ cars ahead of them. The majority of the headend cars were destined for Council Bluffs, Omaha and Lincoln and they were added to the articulated NZ consist while the KCZ was setout as a block (one or two headend cars including a RPO, a parlor-diner-observation running backwards, a dome coach and generally one more coach, depending on the traffic requirements) for continuation to KC. With a switchman riding the stirrup, I would surmise that the depot switch engine is shoving the NZ articulated cars towards a joint with the headend cars. When the NZ equipment was retired, the consist was reversed with the diner-parlor-observation assigned to the KC train running on the rear so the parlor car patrons could enjoy the rearward view. This arrangement only lasted until April 10, 1968, when the KCZ was discontinued west of W. Quincy, MO, and became the "Quincy local".

Photo 111: 178 was built by Pullman in 1922.

Photo 112: 182 was built by Pullman in 1922, also.

Photo 116: The "Burlington Box" style depot, trees and antenna on the roof most likely makes the photo taken at Alliance, NE, on Train 42 or 43.

Thanks, Don, for all the info!

Don C. wrote:

Photo 94: Silver Spring was built for the general service pool, not the Kansas City Zephyr.

Photo 120: Dining car Silver Cuisine was not assigned to the Nebraska Zephyr (it had a diner in the articulated trainset) but was a general pool car. I believe it was equipped for audio so it could freely substitute in the CZ and maintain the integrity of the train's sound system.

Thanks, Don, for the corrections on these 2 cars!

Looking again at the Burlington Route HS roster page (http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/stainlessnumber.html), where I sourced the car assignments from, for the Silver Spring, it is listed as built for the General Pool and transferred to the KCZ in 1953. For the Silver Cuisine, it is listed as built for the Ak-Sar-Ben Zephyr, not the Nebraska Zephyr (my mistake).

Regarding the Silver Cuisine, I wanted to find out more about the arrangement between it being built for the Ak-Sar-Ben Zephyr vs. being built as a protection car for the California Zephyr (it was ordered at the same time as the 2 other CZ protection cars, 16S sleeper Silver Cedar and dome sleeper club lounge observation Silver Lookout, as well as the 6DB-5C sleepers). Checking the Wikipedia page (which lists 2 reliable sources; see below) for the Ak-Sar-Ben Zephyr, it says the following:

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The 1953 Ak-Sar-Ben Zephyr used both (prewar) coaches and new equipment manufactured in 1952 for the California Zephyr. The coaches were part of the pool used for the 1940 iteration, among other trains. The westbound Ak-Sar-Ben would use the following cars off the arriving eastbound California Zephyr:
48-seat dining car
10-roomette 6-double bedroom sleeping car
10-roomette 6-double bedroom sleeping car
16-section sleeping car
1-drawing room 3-double bedroom Vista-Dome dome-buffet-lounge-observation car

The cars off the eastbound Ak-Sar-Ben Zephyr would in turn be used (for) that day's westbound California Zephyr.

This section of the text on the Wiki page sources Robert J. Wayner's "Car Names, Numbers and Consists" (1972; pages 221 and 225) and Karl Zimmermann's "Burlington's Zephyrs" (2004, page 140).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak-Sar-Ben_Zephyr

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:28 am

I've acquired an additional 80 Al Chione slides: 20 CB&Q and 60 AT&SF. I've scanned and uploaded the CB&Q slides, and here are the first 4:

Photo #121: FW&D streamlined heavyweight Plan #3973D 10S-1DR-1C sleeper Lariat Range (ex-White Bear Lake, Lot #6338, 1930, streamlined in August 1940 for the Texas Zephyr) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089792

Photo #122: CB&Q RPO-baggage-express-coach #3655, originally motorcar (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089793

Photo #123: C&S diner #706 (builder and year?) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089794

Photo #124: C&S baggage-express #223 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089795

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Les Beckman · **Joined:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:25 pm **Posts:** 5479

Ted -

The photo of CB&Q #3655 is really interesting. The car appears to be on the end of a freight, probably in mixed train service. Leave it to the Burlington to make use of a former motor car! Wish there was more info, including what's at the head end. Since a photo is not included or referenced, I'm going to imagine that one of the 4-4-2's that the Q rebuilt with smaller drivers for freight service is providing the trains power!

Thanks for the photo. The 3655 is sure a great piece of passenger equipment.

Les

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:38 pm

If I can increase the mystery:

I'm 99% certain the 3655, along with others in the 3650 series, is not an ex-doodlebug, but instead an ex-trailer car built and designed to run with the Burlington's bigger 9800-series gas-electric cars. I believe the far end in that photo sports a "push-pull" type cab.

Les Beckman · **Joined:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:25 pm **Posts:** 5479

Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:

If I can increase the mystery:

I'm 99% certain the 3655, along with others in the 3650 series, is not an ex-doodlebug, but instead an ex-trailer car built and designed to run with the Burlington's bigger 9800-series gas-electric cars. I believe the far end in that photo sports a "push-pull" type cab.

Managed to find a list on the CB&Q Historical Society website and, if I read it correctly, the 3655 was originally built by EMD/Pullman as doodlebug #627, later #9627 and then #9814. Converted in March of 1950 to number 3655.

Les

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:48 pm

More Photos:

Photo #125: CB&Q wood rail detector car #251110 (ex-business car #97, nee-coach #153, builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089796

Photo #126: CB&Q RPO-baggage #1944 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089797

Photo #127: CB&Q RPO-baggage #1932 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089798

Photo #128: CB&Q 87 seat commuter coach #7110 (CB&Q, 1928). Is this in Chicago, Aurora, or somewhere else?

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089799

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Topfuel · **Joined:** Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:49 pm **Posts:** 385

Whomever did the shadowline paint job on the 1944 sure had an extremely steady hand! That car really looks sharp.

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:15 am

More Photos:

Photo #129: CB&Q 52 seat chair #4713 Silver Forest (Budd, 1940):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089800

Photo #130: CB&Q streamlined heavyweight coach #6161 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089801

Photo #131: FW&D RPO-baggage #31 (builder and year?) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089802

Photo #132: C&S wood-and-steel-sheathed business car #900 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089803

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:28 am

More Photos:

Photo #133: CB&Q 50 seat chair #4733 Silver Spear (Budd, 1952, Kansas City Zephyr) at Denver. Later BN #5082, then Amtrak #5012, rebuilt in 1985 to HEP cafeteria #8713, wrecked in May 1994 on the southbound #87/#97 Silver Meteor near Selma, NC, sold in 1995 to ITAX, scrapped by Gateway in October 2010.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089804

Photo #134: CB&Q 24DXR-8DRM Slumbercoach #4903 Silver Repose (Budd, 1956, Denver Zephyr) at Denver. Later Amtrak #2023, converted to HEP #2095 in 1980, now owned by the Tennessee Central RY Museum.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089805

Photo #135: CB&Q baggage-messenger #907 Olympus (Budd, 1948, "Train of the Goddesses" Nebraska Zephyr) at Denver. Later Amtrak #1006, converted to HEP #1167 in 1980, wrecked in August 2001 on the southbound #21 Texas Eagle at Annapolis, MO, sold in 2003 and later scrapped.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089806

Photo #136: CB&Q 52 seat chair #4710 Silver Cloud (Budd, 1940, general pool) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089807

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Topfuel · **Joined:** Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:49 pm **Posts:** 385

That's a fascinating picture of the Olympus because it shows the car de-skirted, presumably done after the BN merger, but it has not been lettered for the BN as other ex-Q de-skirted cars were.

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:40 am

More Photos:

Last 4 CB&Q slides, I'll start posting the AT&SF slides tomorrow.

Photo #137: CB&Q baggage-express #1533 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089808

Photo #138: CB&Q 6DB-5C sleeper #454 Silver Pelican (Budd, 1956, Denver Zephyr) at Chicago. Later Amtrak #2204, converted in 1983 to HEP #2222, sold in 1995 to AOE as dormitory Yellowstone Park (#800755), now owned by Grand Canyon.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089809

Photo #139: Texas Zephyr C&S 10 seat parlor-31 seat buffet lounge observation #640 Silver Flash (ex-CB&Q #230, Budd, 1936) at Denver. Part of the TZ set sold to the Civic Plaza National Bank in Kansas City, then to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089810

Photo #140: CB&Q baggage-express #1592 (ex-RPO-baggage #1899, nee-RPO #2319, builder and year?) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4089811

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