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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:20 pm 

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I took at least one photo of each, but I don't have them scanned. At that time, eleven coaches and the two sleepers showed up. The only one I didn't see was the 5667 which was already moved to the shops for conversion as Conrail 27 for the OCS fleet.

This line included the sleepers and
5649, 5650, 5652, 5657, 5666, 5670, 5671, 5676, 5678, 5684

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:39 pm 

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The ex-NYC coaches and the 16-4's were acquired by Conrail directly from Amtrak, outside of Amtrak's normal sealed bid procedure.

When Sanborn died and the proposed steam program died with him, the coaches were put up for sale. I went to Reading and inspected the coaches and put in a bid for one. One or two had already been set aside for use by Conrail, and as I recall one or two more had already been sold to private parties. Around this time, VIA had started canvassing the US for good un-rebuilt steam heat/DC Budd built coaches for conversion to their HEP 1 and 2 program, and thus VIA ended up buying all of the remaining ex-NYC 1947 built Budd coaches from Conrail that were available.


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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:28 am 
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Thanks, Charlie and Topfuel, for the info!

Of these 11 coaches, 7 of the cars are listed by both Charlie and Terry Link's website:

#2919/#5652, now VIA #8136

#2948/#5666, now VIA #8137

#2949/#5667, to CR #27, now NS #26

#2954/#5670, now VIA #8138

#2916/#5676, now VIA #8139

#2925/#5678, now VIA #8141

#2945/#5684, to Ken Bitten, current status/location unknown

Charlie lists 4 cars which Link does not:

#2913/#5649, now VIA #8132

#2914/#5650, to Ken Bitten, now Cuyahoga Valley A.A. Augustus

#2930/#5657, currently in use on the Tioga Central as #2930--is this car actually owned by TIOC or by a private owner?

#2955/#5671, to unknown party, sold to KCS in 2004, converted to track inspection #1859 Arthur E. Stilwell

Link lists 2 cars which Charlie did not note as located in Reading. Were these 2 cars also acquired by Conrail but were not moved to the Reading shops?

#2922/#5653, now VIA #8133

#2926/#5655, now VIA #8144

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:57 am 
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Corrections:

I noticed duplicates for sale on Ebay of 2 slides which I had included earlier in this thread. The seller provided more info on the location and dates for these slides, which I am including here.

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Photo #91: Texas Zephyr FW&D 52 seat chair #402 Silver Ore (later CB&Q #4660, Budd, 1937) at Denver:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4072915


Taken in July 1962, photographer not listed.

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Photo #107: A second photo of California Zephyr CZ-10 24 seat dome 3DB-1DR sleeper 26 seat club lounge observation CB&Q #378 Silver Lookout (Budd, 1952):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4073080


Taken in June 1964 in Denver, photographer not listed.

Again, if anyone has the Al Chione description pages for these slides, that would be very helpful in identifying dates, locations, and photographers. Thanks in advance!

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Here are the next 4 AT&SF slides.

Photo #149: shadowlined business car #4. The roster of business cars I have lists that the #4 was built in 1890 by Pullman as #219, and was assigned to J. Purcell (as #4). As of 1961, the #4 was painted in Santa Fe's variant of Pullman Green, as seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotoart/15485893307

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090802

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Photo #150: 16 seat dome (8 parlor, 8 paired) 29 seat club lounge 13 seat Turquoise Room #501 (P-S, 1950, Super Chief, intended to be named Plaza Laguna). To Amtrak #9351, sold in 1984 to Espirit de Corp Sportswear, to GGRM, to Roy Thorpe, to John Baldwin, to Washington Central/Columbia Basin-Spirit of Washington Dinner Train #104 City of Seattle, sold in 2012 to Iowa Pacific and assigned to Santa Cruz & Monterey Bay. This photo dates from after 1957-58, as the #501 is riding on outside swing hanger trucks swapped from the 1957 Budd baggage cars.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090803

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Photo #151: heavyweight 48 seat chair #3053 (Pullman, Lot #6252, 1929):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090804

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Photo #152: horse-express #368 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090805

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:34 pm 
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Photo #153: 51 seat club lounge-news stand-nurse's room #1348 (P-S, 1947, El Capitan, later reassigned to Grand Canyon Limited and California Special). Retained in 1971, renumbered in 1974 to #62, to BNSF #29 Valley View (#800635).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090806

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Photo #154: 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1828 Regal Ring (P-S, 1948):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090807

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Photo #155: shadowlined business car #22. The roster of business cars I have lists that the #22 was built in 1890 by Barney & Smith as #1405, and was assigned to J.R. Hitchcock (as #22). This photo dates from after March 1969, as camera car #30/#5009 can be seen on the right.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090808

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Photo #156: 6S-6RM-4DB sleeper Mescalero Valley (P-S, 1942):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090809

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:20 am 
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Photo #157: RPO #70 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090810

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Photo #158: Super Chief 36 seat diner #1474 Cochiti (Budd, 1937, later 46 seats, then back to 36) at Denver. Retired and sold in 1968 to J.W. Kerslake, later to CSRM.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090811

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Photo #159: steam generator #9005 (ex-baggage #3707, P-S, 1956, built as shell and completed at Topeka). Converted in 1962, later renumbered to #130 (1974?). Current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090812

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Photo #160: 30 seat buffet lounge-barber shop-shower-baggage-8 bunk dormitory #1385 San Pascal (Budd, 1937). Reconfigured in 1959 to baggage-24 bunk dormitory, to Amtrak #1503, sold in 1981 to Naparano Iron & Metal.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4090813

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:05 pm 

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The picture of the 1348 is interesting - isn't that Racine, WI?
I think many of the pictures you have posted were taken of charter trains, Boy Scout trains, or other special movements - the time and place don't exactly fit the equipment. And many feature old equipment that by the 1960s (judging from the paint schemes, that's when these were taken), probably wouldn't have been on "name" trains. Not that this is a bad thing - pictures of this old equipment, in (for example) the CB&Q silver paint scheme of its later years, aren't that common.

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:59 am 
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Photo #161: steam generator #130, after being renumbered from #9005 as seen in photo #159:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091264

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Photo #162: baggage-express-messenger #3656 (Budd, 1953), to Amtrak #1106, converted in 1980 to HEP #1161:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091265

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Photo #163: 28 seat club lounge-barber shop-shower-dormitory #1372 Picuris (Budd, 1937), to Amtrak #3380, sold in 1981 to Memphis Transportation Museum and renamed Dyersburg. Current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091266

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Photo #164: 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper Hualpai (P-S, 1938, Chief), retired and sold in 1967 to El Paso Iron & Metal.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091267

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
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"Photo #163: 28 seat club lounge-barber shop-shower-dormitory #1372 Picuris (Budd, 1937), to Amtrak #3380, sold in 1981 to Memphis Transportation Museum and renamed Dyersburg. Current status/location unknown."

The Picuris was sold to Iowa Pacific a few years ago and is stored in Alamosa, CO.


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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:10 am 
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Photo #165: 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1829 Regal River (P-S, 1947). To Amtrak #2367, sold in 1982 to the Memphis Transportation Museum and renamed Joseph S. Signaigo (#800200). Current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091268

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Photo #166: 11DB sleeper #906 Indian Arrow (2nd) (P-S, 1947, rebuilt in 1964 from 24DXR Indian Lake [1st] [which had been redesignated dormitory #3474 in 1962]). Sold in 1968 to W. Silver & Company (Anthony, TX).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091269

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Photo #167: camera car #5009 (ex-#30, nee-business car #30, Pullman, Lot #4530, 1918). Rebuilt in 1969, renumbered to #5009 in 1970, renumbered to #73 in 1973. Converted to provide film for locomotive simulator car #5008/#70 (ex-club lounge #3179): http://www.qstation.org/ATSFCameraCar/. Later sold after being damaged to the Kansas City RR Museum (which moved to Belton, MO), now located in Cherryvale, KS, as RPCX #30: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=462247

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091270

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Photo #168: Hi-Level transition-baggage dormitory #3480 (ex-baggage dormitory, nee-baggage dormitory-news stand-32 seat chair, Budd, 1938/41/56). To Amtrak #9993, sold in 1983 to the Mad River & NKP, sold in 1985 to John Brigham and named Pegasus (#800248), later to the Cotton Belt RHS-Arkansas RR Museum.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091271

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:50 pm 
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Photo #169: heavyweight 52 seat chair #3028 (Pullman, Lot #6088, 1927):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091272

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Photo #170: 28 seat club lounge-writing desk-barber shop-shower-18 bunk dormitory #1344 (P-S, 1950, Super Chief), barber shop later changed to valet room. To Amtrak #3395 (as 31 seat buffet lounge-dormitory), retired in 1981 and sold in 1982 to a W. Powell, donated in 1999 to the Gulf Coast Chapter NRHS-Houston RR Museum.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091273

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Photo #171: baggage-express #3442 (Budd, 1942), sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries (Vinton, TX).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091274

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Photo #172: Hi-Level 72 seat chair #731 (Budd, 1964), to Amtrak #9931, rebuilt and converted in 1980 at Topeka Shops to HEP transition-40 seat chair-14 bunk dormitory #39931, sold in 2003 to Philip Sheridan-IFE Leasing, then to Chuck Crisler-King Publishing, then to Jim Stephenson (Houston).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091275

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:39 pm 

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Note that Super Chief lounge dormitory 1344 is running several cars ahead of it's normal position adjacent the Pleasure Dome lounge car on this addition of the Super Chief. This would indicate that it is probably running as the lounge dorm for the "Super Chief Coaches" section of this train, a not generally well-known part of Super Chief history. This would typically be 4 or 5 low-level coaches, along with a lounge dorm and lunch counter diner, that would run in front of the sleeper portion of the Super Chief, in order to supplement the coach capacity of the Hi-Level El Capitan, which would have been running as a separate train during the peak season where additional coach capacity was needed and thus added to the Super Chief.


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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:11 am 
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Photo #173: 24DXR sleeper #911 Indian Song (P-S, 1947/64), rebuilt in 1964 to 11DB, to Amtrak #2219, retired and sold in 1977 to Corry Jones (Indianapolis). Current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091276

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Photo #174: 6S-6RM-4DB sleeper Cottonwood Valley (P-S, 1942), sold in 1967 to W. Silver & Company (Anthony, TX).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091277

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Photo #175: 28 seat club lounge-barber shop-shower-dormitory #1371 Nambe (Budd, 1937). Sold in 1968 to Kilgore, later to Texas Southern. Sold in 1993 to Washington Central #154 for planned Atlantic Clipper Dinner Train on NYS&W, sold in 1997 to BC Rail #154 and named Rainbow for Pacific Starlight Dinner Train. Operation closed in 2002 following CN merger and sold in 2004 to Ontario Northland #903. Sold in 2011 to William Osborn and moved to Austin, TX.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091278

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Photo #176: heavyweight 48 seat chair #3031 (Pullman, Lot #6150, 1928). As seen here, the #3031 has been modified for MofW service, with the roof AC duct removed and most windows blanked out; a dutch door, radio antenna, roof vents and small AC unit have been installed.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091279

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
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"Photo #175: 28 seat club lounge-barber shop-shower-dormitory #1371 Nambe (Budd, 1937). Sold in 1968 to Kilgore, later to Texas Southern. Sold in 1993 to Washington Central #154 for planned Atlantic Clipper Dinner Train on NYS&W, sold in 1997 to BC Rail #154 and named Rainbow for Pacific Starlight Dinner Train. Operation closed in 2002 following CN merger and sold in 2004 to Ontario Northland #903. Sold in 2011 to William Osborn and moved to Austin, TX."

Car was purchased from Ontario Northland 12-2010 by Jon Clark, along with former CZ dome coach Silver Feather. Nambe sold to William Osborne by Jon Clark 1-2011. Nambe refurbished and leased to Austin Steam Train.


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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:26 pm 
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First, thanks to Topfuel for the info on #1371 Nambe!

Second, a correction for the above photo #176, which I identified as the #3031. This is actually #5031, which the Santa Fe RY Historical & Modeling Society's website lists as 1 of 4 electrical instruction cars; the other 3 were #5030, #5042, and #5043. Does anybody know what car the #5031 was converted from? Or for that matter, the histories of the other 3? Thanks in advance!

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Photo #177: 44 seat leg rest chair #2900 (P-S, 1947, El Capitan). To Amtrak #4506, retired in 1979 and sold in 1982 to Brad Black, current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091280

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Photo #178: 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper Saydatoh (P-S, 1939, Super Chief), sold in 1967 to El Paso Iron & Metal.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091281

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Photo #179: 28 seat club lounge-writing desk-barber shop-shower-18 bunk dormitory #1339 (P-S, 1950, Super Chief), barber shop later changed to valet room. To Amtrak #3390 (as 31 seat buffet lounge-dormitory), retired in 1981 and sold in 1982 to a J.H. Haney, current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091282

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Photo #180: horse-express #1995 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091283

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