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 Post subject: Re: Age of Steam gets another one
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:33 pm 

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"And to "wm303": Since the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (and, likewise, Nevada, Texas, North Carolina, West Va., and California) isn't a 501(c)3 group, does that mean that what THEY do for our avocation isn't actually "preservation"?

You have just advocated for the position I have held for years; that preservation is preservation, no matter which individual or entity is doing the preserving.

My angst and ire are fueled by those who maintain online directories and rosters of "preserved" locomotives who refuse to list mine because of the missing 501(c)3 charter.

As one contributor to this thread suggested: "it is good that we have private collectors who are willing to sink more money into their own personal collection than if they had to answer to a board of foamers". Amen, Dennis.

I get things done because I am in control. I only have to make my case to one person, and from that point on I make the decisions about how we proceed. If I don't have an immediate solution, I sit on it a while, and usually the right thing to do comes to me with a little thought. But the notion of presenting a concept to a committee and hoping that I get more "yeas" than "nays" is foreign to me. Not much gets accomplished like that. Anywhere.

One of these two SD35s is in a museum and one is privately owned. Which one is "preserved"?
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 Post subject: Re: Age of Steam gets another one
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:08 pm 

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rock island lines wrote:
The negative comments make me want to jump off the roof of the building.


I prefer the more proactive philosophy...

"The negative comments make me want to push the negative commenters off the roof of the building."


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 Post subject: Re: Age of Steam gets another one
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:29 pm 

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wm303 wrote:
One of these two SD35s is in a museum and one is privately owned. Which one is "preserved"?


Just for sake of argument... If the nicely painted one is a movie prop which will be wrecked this afternoon, while the faded one is in the collection of the Smithsonian... But I get your point. Anyway, I guess the Smithsonian hasn't done all that well by some of the railroad artifacts they own.

The key that is often missed, is it's not so much what the artifact looks like today that matters, but what it will look like in fifty or one hundred years, although it is nice to see nicely maintained pieces, no matter what the details of their ownership.

All of us like to think that our 501c3 organizations will stand the test of time, and still be here, but no one can really know. Likewise, I'm sure that Nelson, Paulson, Dick, and John all thought their collections would be, too.

I suspect doing preservation from a variety of angles gives the best chance that some important pieces will survive long after we're gone.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:33 pm 

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If this is just a grand failure after 20-30 years, as you seemingly want this to be, and there is an auction, and the collection is scattered to better homes, it will be a failure, but also a success, as several of the locomotives may not have still been with us, or in that good of shape had they not been part of the AOS collection.


JJJ will likely continue acquiring locomotives and just as likely continue to perform the needed work to bring them to operating status. Until the money is gone and he (or his successors) can't do it any more. Given this scenario, how can anyone take the eventual demise of the AOS as a "grand failure" when the collection of locomotives has 1) been preserved and 2) is still available to go to new homes? The fact is that AOS will be a far better steward of these locomotives than ANY museum that has to prioritize what it restores and what is left to rust, and then has to struggle to fund the projects that it has just prioritized.

At WORST, every one of these locomotives will be in better condition for having been a part of the collection and EVERY ONE will be available to go to the next organization lucky enough to have a chance to own an increasingly rare and important artifact.

Sounds like a resounding SUCCESS, to me!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:50 pm 
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Dennis Storzek wrote:
wm303 wrote:
I guess the Smithsonian hasn't done all that well by some of the railroad artifacts they own.
Good point. Now that you mention it, I think of the ALCO PAs they worked so hard to get. One is very close to running under its own power courtesy of Doyle McCormack (a major miracle, seeing what he started out with) and the other was given up on by the Smithsonian and given to that Texas museum...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:58 pm 

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Now that Jack White and Bill Withuhn are out of the picture, is there anybody at the Smithsonian Institution who knows any railroad ever ran in this country? And isn't the B&O Museum doing a bang-up job?

Sorry. Don't mean to send this thread off on a tangent.

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From experience, there are several good people on the staff of the transportation area at the Smithsonian.

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 Post subject: Re: Age of Steam gets another one
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:39 pm 

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M Austin wrote:
rock island lines wrote:
The negative comments make me want to jump off the roof of the building.


I prefer the more proactive philosophy...

"The negative comments make me want to push the negative commenters off the roof of the building."


I suppose that I am the target of your desire to push someone off a building? Are my comments really "negative", or are they just bringing up alternative viewpoints and possible scenarios that any rational thinking so called "professional" should be thinking about?

Is this really how people who do not think in lockstep should be dealt with? We have an entire fringe movement who wants to make the confederate flag a hate crime, sandblast Davis, Lee and Jackson off of Stone Mountain and dig up Confederate generals. Your "push the dissenters off a building" sounds just as intolerant as the anti confederate crowd.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:44 pm 

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Back to our regularly scheduled discussion...

hamster wrote:
JJJ will likely continue acquiring locomotives and just as likely continue to perform the needed work to bring them to operating status. Until the money is gone and he (or his successors) can't do it any more.


I should hope not... Because what you have just described is the problem with 99% of all railway museums, and private collections like Jenson's also... They just start to get ahead of the collecting part of it, and start to stabilize, conserve, and house the collection, when they find more "stuff" they jes' gotta have, and the vicious cycle starts all over again.

I would hope that JJJ has a vision of what his collection should be, has worked out a budget for the cost of acquiring it, the facilities to house it, and the cost for continuing maintenance; then funded an endowment that will earn enough income to pay for that maintenance in perpetuity. Then when he acquires all he has planned to collect, HE STOPS GETTING MORE STUFF, or perhaps adds a few million to the endowment fund to pay for his new, bigger collection.

That is the only way to ensure the collection lasts longer than his lifetime.

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 Post subject: Re: Age of Steam gets another one
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:15 am 

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Think this TOPIC is BURNT OUT! as most of it has nothing to do with the new locomotive!


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A quick search on the AOS official webpage, and I don't see the #105 "Jessie B" from Art Davis (Orrville) listed in their inventory. What am I missing??


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:38 pm 

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We do not know very much about our 0-6-0 locomotive #105, and have been searching for data and old photos without much success. Additionally, we put this project onto the back burner because of other, more pressing duties at the Age of Steam Roundhouse. When our webmaster gets the time, he will post onto the AoSRH website the information and photos of #105 that we have gathered so far.

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