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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:47 pm 

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I agree with this statement by the mayor of Nicholson, Pennsylvania, quoted in the news article linked above:

“I think it’s terrible,” said Ann Marie Aylesworth, the mayor of Nicholson. “I think the railroad is doing a big injustice to the town of Nicholson and to the bridge.”

Canadian Pacific had this to say in response:

“Canadian Pacific is responsible to our shareholders and our customers, and so we must safeguard our operation. Our liability insurance ask is consistent with that of other railroads and reflects legal settlements from passenger train incidents in recent years. While we are willing to run these types of trips; we simply must safeguard our operation as we do this.”


Yeah, yeah. What was CP so afraid of, the great E. Hunter Harrison having two strokes and a brain bleed over a weekend of steam excursions run on what soon will not be a part of the new (but not improved?) CP? Give me a break, Corporate North America. You simply did not have the guts to support the local community on this one.

Why can't the 765 run a weekend of trips to Moscow, PA, and back?

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:10 pm 

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I am hopeful that they might consider a ride to Moscow with diesel assist on the 6th....


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:42 pm 

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Lets take this apart:

“Canadian Pacific is responsible to our shareholders and our customers,and so we must safeguard our operation."

Norfolk Southern is a Fortune 500 company and faces the same (or greater as a United States company) responsibilities to its shareholders and customers-of which I am one.


"Our liability insurance ask is consistent with that of other railroads"

Clearly a lie. The whole problem here is CP's INCREASED requirement.

"and reflects legal settlements from passenger train incidents in recent years. "

Where has there been a $100 million dollar settlement from an excursion train "incident" in "recent years"?

While we are willing to run these types of trips; we simply must safeguard our operation as we do this.”

Can you show us where you are willing to do these trips? Is that why you insisted on a diesel escort for a deadhead move? Didn't your CEO publicly nix steam?


Translation: We can't do what NS can do and now that we're leaving, we don't give a damn about being a part of the 'community".


I'm too damn old have somebody drop a ton of equine excrement on my front lawn and smile and thank them for the fertilizer.

Here's a funny for you.

http://www.cpr.ca/en/community


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:06 pm 

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My guess is that CP pushed it past the point of being profitable. Are there any railfan CEOs in the insurance business?


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:23 pm 

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You could say this Semi-B&M 3713 Update, I got to tour Steamtown NHS locomotive shop after attending the 2015 LCCA Boston Convention enroute home. You get see what the locomotive currently looks like. This was recorded before Railfest 2015.

Steamtown NHS (Locomotive Shop Tour), 07-26-2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yAVRNepeBU

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:06 pm 

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I sent a donation to the 3713 restoration fund today. :-)

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:58 pm 

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Any news on the RFQ results?


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:24 am 

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railfan261 wrote:
I sent a donation to the 3713 restoration fund today. :-)


Thank you, Tony. Your donation is much appreciated. Quite a few folks have joined you in supporting Project3713 as the year winds down.

For those with questions on the effort, an update on the project was sent to donors and L&WV members this month. Everyone can see the updates at www.project3713.com

Look for more news in the new year and feel free to reach out with questions to project3713@project3713.com

All the best,

Rob Davis

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:48 am 

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superheater wrote:
Lets take this apart:

“Canadian Pacific is responsible to our shareholders and our customers,and so we must safeguard our operation."

Norfolk Southern is a Fortune 500 company and faces the same (or greater as a United States company) responsibilities to its shareholders and customers-of which I am one.


"Our liability insurance ask is consistent with that of other railroads"

Clearly a lie. The whole problem here is CP's INCREASED requirement.

"and reflects legal settlements from passenger train incidents in recent years. "

Where has there been a $100 million dollar settlement from an excursion train "incident" in "recent years"?

While we are willing to run these types of trips; we simply must safeguard our operation as we do this.”

Can you show us where you are willing to do these trips? Is that why you insisted on a diesel escort for a deadhead move? Didn't your CEO publicly nix steam?


Translation: We can't do what NS can do and now that we're leaving, we don't give a damn about being a part of the 'community".


I'm too damn old have somebody drop a ton of equine excrement on my front lawn and smile and thank them for the fertilizer.

Here's a funny for you.

http://www.cpr.ca/en/community


I just got around to looking at this, and I am particularly saddened at Superheater's "funny."

Here is a company with a tremendous heritage, wonderful history, wonderful images from that history (among them wine red passenger trains in beautiful mountains)--and that PR thing has to be one of the lamest excuses for PR I can remember seeing for, well, I can't remember when.

Between nonsense like this and the total lack of ideas in places like Hollywood (hey, they are remaking everything, and even trying to base movies on video and board games), I wonder if we are witnessing the end of. . .no, I won't say it, it would be considered too political, too radical, to critical of our economic system, would get me labeled a socialist or communist or maybe even a nudist or something. . . .


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:00 pm 

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J3a-614 wrote:

Here is a company with a tremendous heritage, wonderful history, wonderful images from that history (among them wine red passenger trains in beautiful mountains)


That heritage is long gone and for that, many Canadians are very sad. It was all good fun for Americans when they sent their native son up here to Canada to teach us how to run our railroads. Now it is all turning around and biting you firmly on your buttocks. Good luck with that boys. Frankly, it really looks good on ya! American Bullshit!


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:54 pm 

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You mean Van Horne?

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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:45 pm 

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So, am I correct to assume the issue at the moment is funding??


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 Post subject: Re: B&M #3713 Restoration Thread Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:27 am 

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While I agree with the idea that CP meant the increased insurance coverage 'punitively', I think J3a-614 has misunderstood the point about 'recent passenger train' incidents. That has nothing to do with "excursion" trains, and while the likelihood of an accident to an excursion train of the magnitude of, say, Amtrak 188 or one of the commuter incidents may be lower, the overall effect in terms of numbers of injured people might easily be as severe.

I'm surprised the URL for the 'funny' was apparently mistyped. It should have beenhttp://www.cpr.ca/en/investors/cp-response-to-letter-to-stb-from-illinois-delegation...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:34 pm 

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Overmod wrote:
I'm surprised the URL for the 'funny' was apparently mistyped. It should have beenhttp://www.cpr.ca/en/investors/cp-response-to-letter-to-stb-from-illinois-delegation...


Now that's funny. Sad fact is, the people addressed in the letter are so used to laying this sort of BS on the voters, they won't recognize it for what it is.

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