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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:28 am 

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For the cost of the paint you've enhanced you collection's appearance and given a vision of what a complete restoration might look like. I would offer this to give you a better shot at securing funds to stabilize other equipment. Nobody can call the cars an eyesore at this point. Well done.

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:44 am 

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Richard Glueck wrote:
For the cost of the paint you've enhanced you collection's appearance and given a vision of what a complete restoration might look like. I would offer this to give you a better shot at securing funds to stabilize other equipment. Nobody can call the cars an eyesore at this point. Well done.


I'd like to echo Mr. Glueck's sentiments. Well done Otto and the RGVRRM team!

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:18 pm 

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Thanks all for the kind words of encouragement!

Richard Glueck wrote:
For the cost of the paint you've enhanced you collection's appearance and given a vision of what a complete restoration might look like. I would offer this to give you a better shot at securing funds to stabilize other equipment. Nobody can call the cars an eyesore at this point. Well done.


I think that's a large part of doing stabilization projects like these. It shows you care, it shows you're active, and it has the wonderful side benefit of encouraging volunteers and donations to come out of the woodwork.

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:47 pm 

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Les Beckman wrote:
Before we get off of this subject completely, I thought I'd include a photo of our MDT 14070. This car was "cleaned" quite a few years ago and the MDT paint has held up very well. One thing we did not do however, was a good job of matching the paint on the very badly pitted door. From the hints given in this thread, I'm going to try again!

It's quite possible your painter did a good match. The discoloration there looks like fading, which comes from cheap organic pigments in the paint. There's very little you can do about that, unless you are rather sophisticated at buying paint AND willing to drive into the big city to buy it. That said, even discolored paint is worlds better than rusty metal, as it is a lot easier to prep.


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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:42 am 

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robertmacdowell wrote:
Les Beckman wrote:
Before we get off of this subject completely, I thought I'd include a photo of our MDT 14070. This car was "cleaned" quite a few years ago and the MDT paint has held up very well. One thing we did not do however, was a good job of matching the paint on the very badly pitted door. From the hints given in this thread, I'm going to try again!

It's quite possible your painter did a good match. The discoloration there looks like fading, which comes from cheap organic pigments in the paint. There's very little you can do about that, unless you are rather sophisticated at buying paint AND willing to drive into the big city to buy it. That said, even discolored paint is worlds better than rusty metal, as it is a lot easier to prep.


Robert -

Well, since I was one of the painters on MDT 14070, I can tell you we did NOT get a good match. In fact, as I recall, someone else at the museum picked up a can of paint saying that he thought it was a "decent match", which it really wasn't. But we wanted to get some paint on the primer that we had on the door by that time, so we used it. Its fading through the years has just made it even worse. Hopefully we'll do a bit better this time around. Thanks for the kind comments.

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:17 pm 

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Les Beckman wrote:
We have two MDT ice bunker steel refrigerator cars at Hoosier Valley and fortunately, have been able to just clean them to make them presentable.


Hey Les, what did you use to clean off the grime from your MDT car?

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:43 pm 

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Otto Vondrak wrote:
Les Beckman wrote:
We have two MDT ice bunker steel refrigerator cars at Hoosier Valley and fortunately, have been able to just clean them to make them presentable.


Hey Les, what did you use to clean off the grime from your MDT car?

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Otto -

TSP, various types of abrasives and much elbow grease! Did a small patch and then washed the residue off with water before moving on to the next patch. BTW, this also removed some of the black lettering and I went in and reapplied black paint over the faded lettering on MDT 14070 (have not yet done it on MDT 13385).

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:16 pm 

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Just an update, MDT 12549 received lettering and paint touch up on the east side this past August in preparation for a night photo session we were hosting.

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The only thing missing is the horizontal bars framing the reporting marks and the large NYC logo above "REFRIGERATOR." The graphics were supplied by Accurail, which I then scaled up to 1:1 size, edited to suit our car, and then had cut in house with our museum's vinyl cutter.

http://www.rgvrrm.org/about/railroad/mdt12549/

Here are the results of the night photo session, photos by Nick Hovey, lighting by Steve Barry:

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/627618/

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/627617/

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/627672/

Enjoy!

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:41 pm 

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Getting some help with the paint touch-up on the car ends. For now, Rustoleum's Rusty Metal Primer is a close enough match for the original color of the car ends. Volunteer Adam Lloyd has masked off the rivet line and is applying a coat of paint.

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How the car currently appears on display at RGVRRM in August 2017. Horizontal bars framing the reporting marks and a large NYC logo are yet to be added in this view.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:48 pm 

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And she's beautiful!

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:06 am 

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Otto,

Is the lettering Vinyl or did you use the vinyl as a stencil and paint the markings (to avoid the shrinking vinyl problem)??

Great job either way.

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:42 pm 

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crij wrote:
Otto,

Is the lettering Vinyl or did you use the vinyl as a stencil and paint the markings (to avoid the shrinking vinyl problem)??

Great job either way.

Rich C.


Vinyl lettering all the way. There's some other projects around here that will need stencils, like our wooden FGEX reefer.

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:38 pm 

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Otto Vondrak wrote:
crij wrote:
Otto,

Is the lettering Vinyl or did you use the vinyl as a stencil and paint the markings (to avoid the shrinking vinyl problem)??

Great job either way.

Rich C.


Vinyl lettering all the way.
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That was a mistake.

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:18 pm 

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Dennis Storzek wrote:
Otto Vondrak wrote:
crij wrote:
Otto,

Is the lettering Vinyl or did you use the vinyl as a stencil and paint the markings (to avoid the shrinking vinyl problem)??

Great job either way.

Rich C.


Vinyl lettering all the way.
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That was a mistake.


Not my first, not my last. What makes you say that in this case, Dennis? We've had very good experiences with vinyl lettering here, some pieces more than 15 years old now.

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 Post subject: Re: Painting steel freight cars at R&GVRRM
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:37 am 

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Painted lettering can go forty, maybe fifty years, and while it becomes weathered, it still looks like a railroad car. Vinyl starts to shrink and peel, and just looks like hell. The problem is, the paint behind it will still be solid, but too weathered to want to put new vinyl on, so it doesn't get replaced. OK, I guess, if you can keep your freightcars inside. I'd rather see the restoration work weather the same as the original.

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