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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:26 pm 

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This shows one of the reasons why it is not too smart to advertise trips for a locomotive
that is still in pieces. Only 3 things can happen, and 2 of them are bad:

1. It will get finished and tested in time.

2. It won't get either in time.

3. It will, but only by cutting corners in hopes to do the better job later.

3a. "Later" has a bad habit of not happening.

Every so often, someone has to learn these lessons the hard way.


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:45 am 

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bigjim4life wrote:
John Garner (GM of the WMSR) said on a Facebook video that once they receive the grant money, work can resume right away - and that there's about 6 weeks' worth of work left to do once they get started.

When all the wheel sets are still laying on the ground outside? Sounds more like six months worth unless they have a battalion of skilled machinists and other mechanics ready to go at it hammer and tong on three shifts once they get the green light.

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:41 pm 

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Kelly Anderson wrote:
bigjim4life wrote:
John Garner (GM of the WMSR) said on a Facebook video that once they receive the grant money, work can resume right away - and that there's about 6 weeks' worth of work left to do once they get started.

When all the wheel sets are still laying on the ground outside? Sounds more like six months worth unless they have a battalion of skilled machinists and other mechanics ready to go at it hammer and tong on three shifts once they get the green light.


Trains Magazine Neswire reported today that all work on 1309 stopped in late March. All the contractors and several WMSR employees were laid off pending arrival of the $400,000 grant money from the State of Maryland.
The article also says the WMSR superintendent feels there is about eight weeks of work remaining before 1309 could move under her own power. The railroad is refunding tickets purchased for the July debut of 1309.
Sorry to see them take it on the chin, but how could they guarantee an in service date in January? Restorations get completed when the work is done, and there is no magic bullet other than time, labor and most of all buckets full of money.
One positive note, the diesel powered excursions can now reach Frostburg, the repairs from the landslides are completed.


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 6:15 am 

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What Kelly said.


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 8:52 am 

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I'd say that Kelly's guess is as good as any. Important to remember that putting all the pieces back together is only the beginning ....not the end. Then comes the all important series of break-in runs to uncover all the "things" that need fixing before the locomotive is ready to provide reliable service.

When you consider the complexity of this engine AND the years she's sat outside Kelly's guess of 6 months worth of work from where she is today might well prove to be optimistic??

Let's hope that the state monies show up soon and that we have the pleasure of seeing this machine in action come next spring.

IMHO-Ross Rowland


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 4:49 pm 

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For what it's worth, I set an email to Governor Hogan asking him to expedite the delivery of the money. As a Maryland resident and constituent, I figured it couldn't hurt. No response except to acknowledge receipt of the message. Can we surmise anything from that?

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 9:29 pm 

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For what it's worth, I set an email to Governor Hogan asking him to expedite the delivery of the money. As a Maryland resident and constituent, I figured it couldn't hurt. No response except to acknowledge receipt of the message. Can we surmise anything from that?


Maryland Bond Bills are overseen by the Board of Public Works and the Department of General Services (DGS). Governor Hogan did his work when he signed the legislation in 2016.

The Board of Public Works certified WMSR's matching funds on March 8. This is a good step. WMSR must also submit contracts for work to the Department of General Services for approval. C&O 1309 is not a building or typical bricks and mortar construction project. This fact will take some hand-holding with the folks at DGS when contracts and invoices are reviewed.

The State of Maryland will not send $400,000 or a portion thereof to WMSR to spend. WMSR must send invoices to the State.

Before RyPN readers start the usual conversation about government money, the Bond Bill program is a great resource offered by the State of Maryland. The recipient just needs to be prepared to deal with the paperwork and manage the cash flow. It is unfortunate that WMSR had to come to a full stop with restoration of C&O 1309. We had our share of frustration when using Maryland ISTEA and Bond Bill funds at National Capital Trolley Museum but the projects got done. In our case the fun was explaining the details involved in restoring a 1926 streetcar.

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 9:41 pm 

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I just saw on Trains Newswire that work on 1309 has resumed.

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
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railfan261 wrote:
I just saw on Trains Newswire that work on 1309 has resumed.

Link to Trains Newswire article by Jim Wrinn:

Work resumes on 1309: Western Maryland Scenic Railroad restarts restoration work on 2-6-6-2 locomotive.

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 9:47 am 

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Rainier Rails wrote:
railfan261 wrote:
I just saw on Trains Newswire that work on 1309 has resumed.

Link to Trains Newswire article by Jim Wrinn:

Work resumes on 1309: Western Maryland Scenic Railroad restarts restoration work on 2-6-6-2 locomotive.


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 9:59 am 

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bigjim4life wrote:
And for those of us who don't subscribe...?
You really should subscribe!

Here is a short, fair-use, excerpt of the article:
Quote:
Steam locomotive restoration specialist Gary Bensman was cutting out staybolts for replacement Tuesday during a visit. The work is expected to move forward with additional help.

"We'll be putting in the tubes soon," Bensman said. "And after that we'll do the hydrostatic test."


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 10:05 am 

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Here you go.


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 2:49 pm 

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Let's give credit where its due. At least they've learned to stop issuing completion dates.

There's still a TON of work left on this machine before it even approaches "done".

Let's hope they beat the odds and get her ready for this years Santa season.

IMHO-Ross Rowland


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 8:29 pm 

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Just for the record, Mr. Rowland, when did *you* inspect the 1309 in person, or at least go over the inspection reports and restoration plans in detail?

I mean, we heard a lot in years past about a certain maverick crew that pulled a 4-8-4 out of the scrapyard and into mainline service in only 28 days..........


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 10:04 pm 

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There are a lot of folks who could step in and volunteer at this point to push to get this old girl running. Ross, have you been down to help out yet? It is a sister C&O engine to your beauty!

Joe


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