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 Post subject: Old Baldwin Color Questions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:01 pm 

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I have a copy of an old Baldwin spec sheet for a small plantation 0-4-4T Forney built in 1894. The finish is shown to be "D106," and the painting style is "214," consisting of "olive green and color."

Can anyone direct me to what this design looked like? Or tell me what "color" might be?

Years ago, Jon Davis colorized a drawing of a similar engine for me using a slightly different painting style, but I have since lost his contact information in the intervening years.

Any help appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Baldwin Color Questions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:09 pm 
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We have some information, including a full index of the painting styles is on line at Pacificng. Start at http://www.pacificng.com/template.php?p ... /index.htm and search from there...

The finish is a description of where to use brass or polished steel or paint on things like the running board nosing. The D series were most commonly but not exclusively used on 6 coupled locomotives. Each D sheet starting with D1 builds on the next, so to make sense of them you have to have all the D sheets, which by chance are missing from the Stanford Library collection…

The painting style is the instructions for striping… in this case cab 12, cylinder 12, Tank on boiler “none” dome 31, driver 16, and tank 35… These refer to drawings of the striping patterns in a hand made book. I have copied the both Baldwin color books (also at Stanford) and with some time can assemble a set of the above… Index available at http://www.pacificng.com/pdf/web/viewer ... -index.pdf

Olive Green and Color means that the locomotive is olive green, with yellow paint in place of gold leaf.

I have included the page with cab 12 below
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 Post subject: Re: Old Baldwin Color Questions
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:28 am 

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And for what "olive green" looks like, look no further than the recently-completed restoration of Baldwin 0-6-0 #26 up at Steamtown NHS, in Scranton, PA.

https://youtu.be/XvYDCSy70RY

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 Post subject: Re: Old Baldwin Color Questions
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:35 am 

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Thank you gentlemen.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Baldwin Color Questions
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:56 pm 

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If you need the numbers for BLW olive green I have them for Modern Centari Acrylic Enamel, please send me a PM with your email.
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 Post subject: Re: Old Baldwin Color Questions
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:14 pm 

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Is Jim "wood burner" Wilke still active? He did a tremendous amount of research on early locomotive paint. I've never met him, but have been in awe of his knowledge (and his willingness to share that knowledge).

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 Post subject: Re: Old Baldwin Color Questions
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:32 pm 
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Jim recently did the paint work for Glenbrook an Carson City, and is currently contributing to the locomotive Texas rework.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Baldwin Color Questions
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:45 pm 
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Jim Wilke asked me to mention that Jon Davis is a major part of the Glenbrook and Texas projects, especially with Texas.

Jim and Jon are currently finishing the final samples of a revised olive green. They are the Midwest Central’s restoration of New Berlin & Winfield 2, a 1906 Baldwin narrow gauge mogul. Additional samples can be made if desired. The new color is darker than previously, and is matched to samples of original olive green paint from Sierra Railway 28, Virginia & Truckee 25, and the Baldwin Paint Books at Stanford.

Jim and I made a joint visit to the Stanford Paint books a couple of years ago... durring that visit we discovered that the headlight striping pages (not referenced in the paint system) were the Rosetta stone of Baldwin Colors, containing named samples of Wine, Lake, Olive Green, as well as black, Tuscan and other color names used on specification sheet.

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 Post subject: Re: Old Baldwin Color Questions
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:24 am 

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This turned up on Pre-1895 Railroads and Steam Engines, a public group on Facebook, and it might tie in with previous comments and efforts documented here.

Mike Massee
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Baldwin Green:

I'll repeat some information I posted to Chaski on behalf of a friend who wishes to remain anonymous but contribute the information. Many attempts have been made to duplicate Baldwin green, and often the color ends up too light. Recently there have been some developments which have produced a new, accurate match for Baldwin green from an original, un-faded sample. Details are as follows:

The Munsell color match for Baldwin’s olive green is Munsell10Y 2/2. The match was with the Baldwin Paint Books at Stanford. Munsell 10Y 2/2 is the darkest of the Munsell olive greens, and Baldwin’s color is a hair darker than that. Care should be taken to keep it dark, and avoid going towards army olive greens.

In the past two months, a new paint match has been made directly from large areas of original olive green from the sandbox wrapper of a 1913 Baldwin ten wheeler. The exposed original paint, complete with original aluminum striping, had been partly re varnished to return the original depth and color, and the paint match was made from these.

The new match was made using auto paint and the recipe is below. A sample was made and compared to the original and declared to be a success. Note that the recipe chart will not format well here as there is no tabbing or fixed with font capability on Facebook.

Manufacturer: PPG
Brand code: 27-1
Mixing Scheme: Shopline (JE)
Density: 7.79 lbs / gal
VOC Reg.LWLE 4.34 lbs/gal
VOC Act. 2.84 lbs / gal

SKU Desc. Inc. (part) Cum. (part)
J89 Deep Basecoat Black 273.9 273.9
J29 Organic GS Yellow 23.4 297.3
J83 Tinting White 10.0 307.3
J51 Red Oxide 51.1 358.4
J33 Blue Shade Green 0.5 358.9
J41 Grn Shade Blue 0.5 359.4
J92 Drier 9.5 368.9
J93 Clear 129.5 498.4

Mr. Masse also has a link to this site with other information. . .take note this is the third of three pages on the subject at the site mentioned.

https://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/vi ... 75#p384775


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