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 Post subject: Re: Little mystery in Maumee, Ohio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:48 pm 

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J3a-614; Thanks for "rotating" Franks's OERM boxcar photo. Helped a lot!

Dennis; Appreciate your comments about the cast brake diagram.


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 Post subject: Re: Little mystery in Maumee, Ohio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:57 pm 

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You know, the more I think about this, the more I think that the Maumee car was donated by The Andersons. I remember when I was a kid going by their facilities and seeing boxcars with military insignia on them. That might be where it was before the Wolcott House.

The search continues...


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 Post subject: Re: Little mystery in Maumee, Ohio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:27 pm 

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veddy interesting...and not shtupeed. The rebuild would have wiped everything above the frame, the scrap company did the rebuild, and perhaps used the cars for its own operating, rebuilding cars like this seemed to be a rather common practice around then. The original wood car design was inspiration for the new steel body using the original frame hence its non-standard construction. Probably when the scrap company was done with the cars or went out of business the cars likely sold to the army who used them and then sold them and on and on till we see what we see. The frame is about the only original piece with the existing brake system or maybe they changed the brake system but not the plaques. I'll poke around a little more, a train show is coming up soon, I'll be looking for books, data etc or anything else.


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 Post subject: Re: Little mystery in Maumee, Ohio
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:12 am 

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Dennis Storzek wrote:
I hate to say it, but the mark may never have been officially assigned. In pre-UMLER days just about any bogus mark would fly... there was no instantaneous referencing a national data base, and unless by coincidence there was another car with the same initial in the area to cause confusion, no one questioned it and no one was the wiser. I know that over the years IRM has moved equipment temporarily marked UTC (don't ask), IRM, IRMX, and finally after UMLER was in effect they actually had to get a mark assigned, which is IRYM. Essentially, anyone could paint anything they wanted on cars for in-plant use, even if they occasionally went out of the plant for local inter-plant use. Given the trucks under those cars, by the mid seventies they were no longer allowed in interchange anyway.



Exactly! I have seen USAF, USAX, DODX, USN, USNX, DLAX, and a few more associated with Military and DOD equipment, but were never entered in Umler.

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 Post subject: Re: Little mystery in Maumee, Ohio
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:00 am 

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I think some of the new South Shore cars when delivered to the railroad they were temp marked something else for some legality reason, and removed once delivered. I tend to believe the existing plates of the boxcars are original as they may have been a low priority or ignored/forgotten piece unimportant to the rebuild. I would believe the frame and associated errata may be totally original.
This makes the frame a true historical piece. Good digs.


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 Post subject: Re: Little mystery in Maumee, Ohio
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:14 pm 

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The evidence for the car at Maumee (and the two sister cars at OERM) seems to be that they were originally built for the Chicago and North Western, probably from outside braced wood bodied boxcars. I never was able to find a photo of a C&NW single sheathed (outside braced) boxcar, but then stumbled across this photo tonight on the Classic Trains website:

http://ctr.trains.com/photo-of-the-day/ ... -and-2-8-0

The photo was made in Pennsylvania in 1955 and shows TRAINS Magazine editor David P. Morgan watching a B&O freight crossing the road while photographer Philip Hastings grabbed a shot from inside their car. I seem to recall something significant about this particular Consolidation (#3127) but can't recall what it might have been. What really caught my eye however, was the car behind the 2-8-0's tank. It appears to be a Chicago and North Western outside braced box car! Maybe of the series that the C&NW converted into the subject cars of this thread? Sure wish that Hastings had waited just a split second longer to snap that shot, or that Morgan was seated just a hair to the left, so that we could have seen the road number of this old wooden veteran!

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 Post subject: Re: Little mystery in Maumee, Ohio
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:52 pm 

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Les Beckman wrote:
The evidence for the car at Maumee (and the two sister cars at OERM) seems to be that they were originally built for the Chicago and North Western, probably from outside braced wood bodied boxcars. I never was able to find a photo of a C&NW single sheathed (outside braced) boxcar, but then stumbled across this photo tonight on the Classic Trains website:

http://ctr.trains.com/photo-of-the-day/ ... -and-2-8-0

The photo was made in Pennsylvania in 1955 and shows TRAINS Magazine editor David P. Morgan watching a B&O freight crossing the road while photographer Philip Hastings grabbed a shot from inside their car. I seem to recall something significant about this particular Consolidation (#3127) but can't recall what it might have been. What really caught my eye however, was the car behind the 2-8-0's tank. It appears to be a Chicago and North Western outside braced box car! Maybe of the series that the C&NW converted into the subject cars of this thread? Sure wish that Hastings had waited just a split second longer to snap that shot, or that Morgan was seated just a hair to the left, so that we could have seen the road number of this old wooden veteran!

Les


I could be wrong, but with what limited information I have as to freight cars, this one looks like it could be a USRA single sheathed car. C&NW had 1,000 of those in two lots (143700-144698, even numbers only, American Car & Foundry, and 144700-145698, also even only,Haskell & Barker Car Co.).

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http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra ... signments/

Model photo:

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 Post subject: Re: Little mystery in Maumee, Ohio
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:53 pm 

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The USRA single sheathed car was apparently pretty widely distributed, and copied as well.

https://www.ttnut.com/usra-single-sheat ... t1012.html

And the search goes on. . .if only we could have gotten a number or a glimpse of the end.


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