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 Post subject: American Trench Locomotives - Master Survivor's List
PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:55 am 

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So the point of this little thread is simple... I'm hoping to use this to assemble a list of surviving American-built locomotives that were meant for trench railway use during World War One. Where there were so many built, and that they all went far afield after the war ended, I think it's fair to say that there's probably a good number still floating around in one form or another... I've been doing a lot of research into these locomotives for an unrelated project, but nowhere have I seen a concrete list of all the American-built survivors. This is just what I've found so far, but where a lot of these went to the far corners of the globe, there could be others that got shoved off to the side that might turn up when they're rediscovered...



US

- Quartermaster's Corps No. 1902, 2-6-2T
Davenport Locomotive Works, 11/1918
C/N 1682
Currently displayed at the National Infantry Museum in Fort Benning, GA
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=369

- Byron Railroad 2968, 2-6-2
Homebuilt engine using frames from a Davenport.
C/N unknown, originally US Army 5245. Returned to Davenport some time after March 1921, having been at the Columbus, OH Engineer Depot. Running gear went to Byron Hiatt of Martensdale, IA. Sold to George Long of Monroe, WA in the 1980s. Sold to current owners (Railstar) in 2004.
Currently undergoing rebuild to trench locomotive configuration for a private owner in California.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=26332

- Byron Railroad 2967, 2-6-0
Homebuilt engine using frames from a Davenport, modified as a 2-6-0 from stock gear
C/N unknown, originally US Army 5240. Returned to Davenport some time after March 1921, having been at the Columbus, OH Engineer Depot. Running gear went to Byron Hiatt of Martensdale, IA. Sold to George Long of Monroe, WA in the 1980s. Currently owned by Paul Schurman of Ridgefield, WA.
Currently undergoing rebuild to trench locomotive configuration for a private owner in California.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=26328

UK

- War Department Light Railways 794 (will masquerade as WHR 590), 4-6-0T
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1917
C/N 44699
Under restoration at the Vale of Rheidol Railway
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=22412

- War Department Light Railways 618, 4-6-0T
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1917
C/N 45190
Under restoration at the West Lancashire Light Railway. Imported from India along with WDLR 779.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=27218

- War Department Light Railways 778, 4-6-0T
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1917
C/N 44656
Operational, based at Leighton Buzzard Railway
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=5274

- War Department Light Railways 779, 4-6-0T
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1916
C/N 44657
In as-recovered condition at Statfold Barn. Welded on pannier tank extensions still in place that were applied while working in India.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=27217

- British Army 1265, 2-6-2T
ALCo, 1917
C/N 57156
In storage on Ffestiniog Railway, named Mountaineer. Heavily modified.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=4331

- French Army ?, heavily modified from 50hp 7 1/2t
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1918
C/N 49604
Currently in service on the Ffestiniog Railway

France

- British Army 1257, 2-6-2T
ALCo, 1917
C/N 57148
Left Frossiy, currently at Tacot Des Lacs.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=9141

- British Army 22, 2-6-2T
ALCo, 1916
C/N 57131
On display in Pithiviers, France museum
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=9087

- US Army 2, 2-6-2T
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1917
C/N 46828
Only surviving engine of the three that Penryhn Quarry purchased second-hand. Sent to Austrailia some time after quarry closed, brought back to France in early 2000s. Operational Restoration at Tacot Des Lacs completed around 2011.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=9078

- US War Department #7001, 50hp 7 1/2t Gas-Mechanical 4-50-1C
Baldwin Locomotive Works, November 1917
C/N 47126
Currently preserved on the Tacot Des Lacs

- French Army # 1160, 50hp 7 1/2t Gas-Mechanical 4-50-1C
Baldwin Locomotive Works, May 1918
C/N 48606
Preserved at Frossiy

Greece

- War Department Light Railways 973, 4-6-0T
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1917
C/N 45010
Somewhere in Volos, Greece.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=20045

Austrailia

- Racecourse Mill No. 4 (WD identity?), 4-6-0
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1916
C/N 45215
Rebuilt into tender engine back in 1980s for Dreamworld Theme Park. Last reports indicate that locomotive is presently stored.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=27532

India

- Br. Army ?, 4-6-0T
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1917
C/N 45380
Last reported at the BSSC Sugar Mill in Bihar
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=17755

- Br. Army ?, 4-6-0T
Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1917
C/N 45231
Last reported at BSSC Sugar Mill in Motipur
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=17977

- Br Army ?, 4-6-0T
Baldwin Locomotive Works, ?
C/N ?
Listed at sugar mill in Jawan. Is this one of the engines that went to Statfold?
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=17934

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:02 pm 

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Only steam?

There's two Baldwin Gas Mechanicals in the UK that I know of.

One is Moelwyn on the Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Railways and has been sporting a WW1 livery during the centenary.

The other is owned by the Mosley Railway Trust at the Apedale Valley Railway. It was 600mm converted to standard gauge and the plan is to convert it back to narrow gauge again.

There's also an unidentified Baldwin 4-6-0 currently up on a flatbed car at the private Statfold Barn Railway in Staffordshire. Its time to be restored is unknown and as far as I know is part of 3 WW1 locomotives up for restoration and sale from there. (The others are Joffre 3015 and an unidentified Brigadlok).

Next time I am down there I'll see if I can find out if there's a builders plate on it somewhere.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:42 pm 

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JDParkes wrote:
Only steam?

There's two Baldwin Gas Mechanicals in the UK that I know of.

One is Moelwyn on the Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Railways and has been sporting a WW1 livery during the centenary.

The other is owned by the Mosley Railway Trust at the Apedale Valley Railway. It was 600mm converted to standard gauge and the plan is to convert it back to narrow gauge again.

There's also an unidentified Baldwin 4-6-0 currently up on a flatbed car at the private Statfold Barn Railway in Staffordshire. Its time to be restored is unknown and as far as I know is part of 3 WW1 locomotives up for restoration and sale from there. (The others are Joffre 3015 and an unidentified Brigadlok).

Next time I am down there I'll see if I can find out if there's a builders plate on it somewhere.


If memory serves JD, that's WD 779 on the flat car at Statfold. There was a second one that came back from India with it, and that's the one that went to West Lancashire.

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I believe you're right, My bad.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:27 pm 

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There are a few supposedly at sugar mills in India.
Here's one of them
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=17755


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:30 pm 

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jkelsh325 wrote:
There are a few supposedly at sugar mills in India.
Here's one of them
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=17755

Thanks. I thought that some of those were the engines that were brought to Statfold, but the construction numbers are different... I think this helps prove my point. Unless someone actually is on the ground and takes notes, there's no easy way to know what's left of the 10-12-Ds that went to India.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:04 pm 

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Davenport
1695 5/1919 2-6-2T 60cm 9x12
U S Army #5240, Engineer Depot, Columbus, Ohio
Returned to Davenport after 03-21
Byron Hiatt , Martensdale, Iowa, Byron RR #2967 1938
(Frame & running gear only)
(converted to 2-6-0)
George Long, Monroe, Wash 1980s
Paul Schurman Ridgefield, WA

1700 5/1919 2-6-2T 60cm 9x12
U S Army #5245, Engineer Depot, Columbus, Ohio
Returned to Davenport after 03-21
Byron Hiatt, Martensdale, Iowa - Byron RR #2968 1938
(Frame & running gear only)
George Long, Monroe, Wash 1980s
Railstar Corp. Watertown, NY 2004


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:31 pm 

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Wasn't there one that was recently discovered in New York state, say about 3 years ago ? It had been hidden along a hillside. It appeared on this forum.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:52 pm 

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John T wrote:
Davenport
1695 5/1919 2-6-2T 60cm 9x12
U S Army #5240, Engineer Depot, Columbus, Ohio
Returned to Davenport after 03-21
Byron Hiatt , Martensdale, Iowa, Byron RR #2967 1938
(Frame & running gear only)
(converted to 2-6-0)
George Long, Monroe, Wash 1980s
Paul Schurman Ridgefield, WA

1700 5/1919 2-6-2T 60cm 9x12
U S Army #5245, Engineer Depot, Columbus, Ohio
Returned to Davenport after 03-21
Byron Hiatt, Martensdale, Iowa - Byron RR #2968 1938
(Frame & running gear only)
George Long, Monroe, Wash 1980s
Railstar Corp. Watertown, NY 2004


Thanks for these John, I'll see to updating the list.

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Wasn't there one that was recently discovered in New York state, say about 3 years ago ? It had been hidden along a hillside. It appeared on this forum.

Kevin K.


Now this is a new one that I haven't heard before... Does this ring any bells with anyone?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:54 pm 

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I think you are referring to:
http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=27130

This was not WWI trench locomotive; just a contractor's 2' gauge construction locomotive.

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Here is a Baldwin gas loco in France:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/simonmcox ... 7003426501

47126 60cm 50hp 30” 7½T B Gas/Mech 11/1917 4-50-1C
US War Department #7001
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US Army #7001


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:18 pm 

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Some more

https://itsgrimupnorth.smugmug.com/keyw ... -qX2FRqp/A

https://itsgrimupnorth.smugmug.com/keyw ... -D9x3hDV/A

https://itsgrimupnorth.smugmug.com/keyw ... -MDhWxHk/A

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... cal-0-4-0/
48606 60cm 50hp 30” B Gas/Mech 5/1918 4-50-1C US Government #1160
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French Army #1160


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Not to be "foamerish" and overly sentimental but it always surprised me that one was never repatriated to the US and restored to operation given what a monumental event ww1 was, the relatively nominal cost to setup a small loop of two foot gauge track, as well as the relatively nominal cost to restore one (a brand new boiler wouldn't be more than a new steam tractor boiler I wouldn't think). It could visit other 2 foot gauge lines like up in Maine and Mr. Rowlands J&L railroad on major holidays like Memorial Day and Fourth of July as a tribute to all the American lives lost during the conflict.


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Hi Dylan, thanks for starting this thread as it's a topic close to my heart. I visited the Cappy Froissy Dompierre last June so maybe I can give you an update?
#1257 ALCO 2-6-T 57148/16 (exTPT) has gone to Tacot Les Lacs.
The CFD website lists BLW 50HP 0-4-0 tractors 49192 & 49966 of 1917 but the one in the CFD museum carries a BLW worksplate #48606/18 - see photo below.

Tacot Les Lacs has an extensive (and growing) collection of WW1 equipment http://tacotdeslacs.free.fr/collection.html
Apart from the well travelled #5104 BLW 2-6-2T 46828/17 they now also have ALCO #1257 from the CFD I'm sure that I read that they had acquired a BLW 4-6-0T which had been converted to diesel but I'm darned if I can remember where I read it!
Tacot have another 60cm g. BLW tractor apart from #7001. There is at least one other (6 according to one report) which has/have been converted to standard gauge.
Hope this helps.
Ray.


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2' gauge Baldwin converted to standard

http://mrt-news.blogspot.com/2017/12/baldwin.html


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