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 Post subject: Re: New York City wooden body railroad car ban
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:22 pm 

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The compressed air loco in Ft Worth was on Riverside Drive, just north of the I 30 and river. I was by there last month and the loco and SP caboose are gone. The owner was next door to the Air Gas distributor. I will call the manager, with whom I have dealt with for over 4 years, and see if he can give me any leads on who the owner is and where he may have gone.

Harry

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 Post subject: Re: New York City wooden body railroad car ban
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:43 pm 

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Plan 3088 is for car A-30. Plan 3088-A is indicated as car PILGRIM. 3088-B is a partial drawing.

There has been a LOT of misperceptions considering Pullman Floor Plans. One person insisted that ALL Plan 3nnn was ex-Wagner. No. Another said they were all ex"other". No. They are a real hodge-podge of Plans, including many variants of owners, builders, and uses.

The fact is the greatest numbre of Plan 3nnn is ex-New Haven cars - cars that might have 2-3 Floor Plans associated with them (the original (if Pullman built it); the ex-New Haven version, and the rebuilt car/conversion/as sold to (as in the Red Cross)).

As I say, there are well over 1,000 Floor Plans that are not assigned but are Private Car / Business Cars of unknown use, owner or origin.

A sub-Plan does not necessarily indicate a modification of the car itself from the earlier Plan, it might simply be a variant of the Floor Plan drawing. There are several instances of BC/PV with sub-Plans that are completely unrelated to the base Plan aside from it being a natural evolution to that sub-Plan for that car (which could be a completely newly constructed car).


Randy Hees wrote:
Wagner Lot 16 was a single car, named Ellsmere, numbered (Wagner's number) 289...

Per Barger, this car was included in the sale to Pullman, who renamed it Pilgrim designated it plan 3088a, and solid it to Ringling Bros...

But, an 1891 Wagner list lists two cars named Ellsmere, both numbered 289, noting that one is "(old)" and noting that car is stored.

The published Pullman floor plan, identified as 3088a does not match the floor plan published in the railroad gazette of Webb's Ellsmere. The Railroad Gazette floor plan does match the car in our collection.... Wagner only started building cars in 1887, so a "old" car could be quite recent but built by someone else for Wagner or Webb.

We have newspaper reports showing Webb in his Ellsmere in 1902...

Railroad history is not neat...

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 Post subject: Re: New York City wooden body railroad car ban
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:01 pm 
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Harry Nicholls wrote:
The compressed air loco in Ft Worth was on Riverside Drive, just north of the I 30 and river. I was by there last month and the loco and SP caboose are gone. The owner was next door to the Air Gas distributor. I will call the manager, with whom I have dealt with for over 4 years, and see if he can give me any leads on who the owner is and where he may have gone.

Harry


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