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 Post subject: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:00 pm 

With all apologies to Mr. Wrinn's patented steam Crystal Ball, does anyone else want to peer into their beer mug and look ahead to steam in 2004?

Who's hot? Who's not?

Here in the east, most of the regular gals from 2003 are expected to be back out in 2004. We hope to greet the Porter 2-6-0 "kitbash" at the Pine Creek in 2004.

Question marks in New England surround the Conway Scenic's 0-6-0. Will they or won't they finish her up? Over at Clark's Trading Post, new boiler regs will decide how many of the 4 active active steamers will be available.

Will there be any mainline steam east of Ohio? Best bets are Susie Q #142 and Steamtown's Pocono trips. Will CPR #2816 be readied for US service? Rumors abound about her itinerary in 2004.

Rhode Island and Vermont look to be steam-free again in 2004. New Hampshire remains a question mark. New Jersey should recover to have at least two hot steamers this year. New York State won't offer much, either. Maine's two-foot show goes on. Pennsylvania continues to lead the eastern pack. Even with engines out of service at Steamtown and EBT, the Keystone State should offer at least 11 different steamers to ride behind.

How about the rest of the continent?

Rob



rdavis@rypn.org


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:17 pm 

> With all apologies to Mr. Wrinn's patented
> steam Crystal Ball, does anyone else want to
> peer into their beer mug and look ahead to
> steam in 2004?

> Who's hot? Who's not?

> Here in the east, most of the regular gals
> from 2003 are expected to be back out in
> 2004. We hope to greet the Porter 2-6-0
> "kitbash" at the Pine Creek in
> 2004.

> Question marks in New England surround the
> Conway Scenic's 0-6-0. Will they or won't
> they finish her up? Over at Clark's Trading
> Post, new boiler regs will decide how many
> of the 4 active active steamers will be
> available.

> Will there be any mainline steam east of
> Ohio? Best bets are Susie Q #142 and
> Steamtown's Pocono trips. Will CPR #2816 be
> readied for US service? Rumors abound about
> her itinerary in 2004.

> Rhode Island and Vermont look to be
> steam-free again in 2004. New Hampshire
> remains a question mark. New Jersey should
> recover to have at least two hot steamers
> this year. New York State won't offer much,
> either. Maine's two-foot show goes on.
> Pennsylvania continues to lead the eastern
> pack. Even with engines out of service at
> Steamtown and EBT, the Keystone State should
> offer at least 11 different steamers to ride
> behind.

> How about the rest of the continent?

> Rob

Since you have a domain name of "rypn.org" in your email address, when are you going to supply a button in the "links" for "Live Steam - 2004" and maybe one for "Live Steam - Being Restored"

Ed



ff1044@aol.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:46 pm 

> New Hampshire remains a question mark.

Do the new NH regs affect Mt. Washington so that they may not operate at all next year?

Roger



belpaire@aol.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:37 pm 

In the west, UP has already announced a steam trip for early 2004, and there will probably be more later on in the year.


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:02 pm 

> With all apologies to Mr. Wrinn's patented
> steam Crystal Ball

Just FYI, Jim's been working on an update, and I've promised him I will get off my lazy bum and update SteamCentral in honor of his work.

OK, that's done - can't back down now . . . ;)

JAC


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:55 pm 

Great Smoky Mountains Railroad #1702 will be back on the rails in April of 2004 after a major running gear overhaul.

Ryan

lima709@aol.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:19 pm 

North of the border, in Ontario, you'll find 0-6-0 #9 at St Thomas, South Simcoe Railway's 4-4-0 #136 & 4-6-0 #1057 just north of Toronto, and the Swedish 2-8-0 in Ottawa all under steam, and if the red tape gets cleared up, the Shay at the Ottawa Musuem should be running also.

> Who's hot? Who's not?

> Here in the east, most of the regular gals
> from 2003 are expected to be back out in
> 2004. We hope to greet the Porter 2-6-0
> "kitbash" at the Pine Creek in
> 2004.

> Question marks in New England surround the
> Conway Scenic's 0-6-0. Will they or won't
> they finish her up? Over at Clark's Trading
> Post, new boiler regs will decide how many
> of the 4 active active steamers will be
> available.

> Will there be any mainline steam east of
> Ohio? Best bets are Susie Q #142 and
> Steamtown's Pocono trips. Will CPR #2816 be
> readied for US service? Rumors abound about
> her itinerary in 2004.

> Rhode Island and Vermont look to be
> steam-free again in 2004. New Hampshire
> remains a question mark. New Jersey should
> recover to have at least two hot steamers
> this year. New York State won't offer much,
> either. Maine's two-foot show goes on.
> Pennsylvania continues to lead the eastern
> pack. Even with engines out of service at
> Steamtown and EBT, the Keystone State should
> offer at least 11 different steamers to ride
> behind.

> How about the rest of the continent?

> Rob


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:11 pm 

Speaking of which, there was a lot of talk about the roller bearing failures on this engine here, but I don't think the details ever came out. Does anybody know the details of why this roller bearing conversion failed? Did Timken make any effort to rectify the problem? Any info would be appreciated.

Merry Christmas,
Hugh Odom

> Great Smoky Mountains Railroad #1702 will be
> back on the rails in April of 2004 after a
> major running gear overhaul.

> Ryan


whodom2001@yahoo.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:36 pm 

> North of the border, in Ontario, you'll find
> 0-6-0 #9 at St Thomas, South Simcoe
> Railway's 4-4-0 #136 & 4-6-0 #1057 just
> north of Toronto, and the Swedish 2-8-0 in
> Ottawa all under steam, and if the red tape
> gets cleared up, the Shay at the Ottawa
> Musuem should be running also.

The finishing touches are being placed on the itinerary for the rail portion of the "Grand Excursion." Milwaukee Road #261 will be hot for a couple of weeks this summer and hauling happy passengers. Who knows what surprises are in store for the NRHS convention in Minneapolis? Stay tuned.

Don C.

http://www.261.com
milw261@sbcglobal.net


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:44 am 

The Railroad Museum of Long Island and our sponsor, the County of Suffolk, New York will be hosting potential vendors at a walk-through and viewing session of LIRR G5s locomotive #39 on January 7 at 10:00 AM. Bids for the restoration of #39 will be due back to the Suffolk County Department of Public Works later this winter/spring. If all goes well with the bid opening, we hope to see work begin during the summer of 2004.

Interested vendors are encouraged to view the Suffolk County RFP announcement in the December issue of Trains magazine, page 29. Contract Documents will be available on and after this coming Thursday, December 18th. This ISTEA project has been a seven-year haul for us, please wish us luck in bringing steam back to Long Island.

Other railcar restoration projects at RMLI for 2004 include the stripping and painting of LIRR/ALCOA bi-level passenger coach #200 and the replacement of all FRA glazing on our two 2900 series LIRR passenger coaches. The coaches, (that will be used in revenue service for the Museum), currently have UV shaded and scratched windows.

de Don , n2qhvRMLI


http://rmli.org
n2qhv@arrl.net


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:19 am 

Don;

1) the 2-8-0 is in Quebec; I know, I drive across the bridges to Quebec to fire her. ;-)

2) The Shay's boiler is put back together, certificate granted (I have not seen it, but we are certainly planning to run her this coming summer)

So, all in all, with the locomotives in St. Thomas and Toronto area, and the two in the Ottawa area, not a bad summer coming up.

John Stewart
Ottawa, Canada.

> North of the border, in Ontario, you'll find
> 0-6-0 #9 at St Thomas, South Simcoe
> Railway's 4-4-0 #136 & 4-6-0 #1057 just
> north of Toronto, and the Swedish 2-8-0 in
> Ottawa all under steam, and if the red tape
> gets cleared up, the Shay at the Ottawa
> Musuem should be running also.


  
 
 Post subject: Quebec Consol
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:43 am 

> 1) the 2-8-0 is in Quebec; I know, I drive
> across the bridges to Quebec to fire her.

Is this the Swedish locomotive formerly resident to the Belfast & Moosehead Lake, Maine?

hi_plain@yahoo.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:58 am 

> Who's hot? Who's not?

> Maine's two-foot show goes on.

The WW&F Railway Museum is nearing the final phase on the heavy overhaul of our #10. This was an intended 5-month project that will probably end up being a 15-month project.

Our project involved removing the boiler from the frame and stripping everything off the frame. Lots of worn out things needed replacement or fixing. New smokebox, new stack, new cab, new driver boxes are among the things we replaced. Lots of new bushings in other things.

Incidentally #10's 100th birthday is next year, we expect to have one or more bashes throughout the year.

WW&F Railway Museum


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Quebec Consol
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:04 am 

George;

No, this one was purchased at about the same time direct from Sweden, along with the string of passenger cars, and a diesel.

I moved away from the area at about the time this train was started so I "missed" a lot of the early years. I have since returned to Ottawa.

An encounter this past summer with a former fellow fireman on ex. CPR 1201 (and engineer on this 2-8-0) led me to starting to work on this locomotive. I had been in the cab with him a couple of times, but this summer they were short of experienced firemen, so I he went fishing, and I got hooked.

John Stewart
Ottawa, Canada.

> Is this the Swedish locomotive formerly
> resident to the Belfast & Moosehead
> Lake, Maine?


freewrl-1@rogers.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Steam in 2004: Who's hot, who's not
PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:12 pm 

There were a few flaws in the slaw, so to say, that led to earlier than expected replacement of the roller bearings.

1. The rollers were AP bearings. In other words they were sealed for life with grease. They could not be "flushed" periodically like any other true steam locomotive roller bearing. The ability to change the oil periodically may have helped. Also, the use of oil instead of grease will let some of the loose metal particles collect at the bottom of the bearing box, instead of continuing to grind the remaing bearing just like griding compound.

2. The rollers were not housed in a common box, as in standard locomotive roller bearing boxes. In roller bearing locos, as like the NKP 765, the left and right boxes on a particular axle were actually all one box. There are two halves to the box, and upper and a lower. Thus, as the box encountered the frame during lateral movement, both bearings were loaded exactly the same, because they were located in a precise machined "common" box. Also, with the common box, the spring rigging cannot induce moments on the bearing in the same axis as the rail. Also, the bearing designs themselves differ from the standard loco bearing to the AP bearings.

3. The AP bearings were designed to be used in two to three axle trucks that had a much smaller wheelbase than a steam locomotive. In this case a 2-8-0 with 57 inch drivers. Also, they were meant for smaller wheels and higher speeds, say 36 inch wheels and 45-60mph. At the higher speeds the AP bearings would heat up enough to evaporate whatever water might pass the seals in weather changes, and in the case of a steam loco, steam cleanings. The AP bearings just couldn't handle the lateral load that a 2-8-0 on a curvy RR will create.

The conversion to Roller bearings on this loco was an experiment. Unfortunitly, as with any experiment, we are sometimes disappointed with the data that we are presented with after starting the experiment. Couple that with the fact that AP bearings are meant to last for "life", with "life" being measured in the lenth of time it takes to wear out the wheel on the same axle. On a steam loco, it is MUCH more involved to remove a roller bearing than on a freight car axle. One must dismount/mount the wheels which over time will "wear" the interference fit between the axle and wheel, and also requarter the crankpins after each of these "lifetime" replacements. Thus, axles and crankpins last much longer with true RR roller bearings or friction bearings.

The #1702 has been converted back to friction bearings on all drive axles for many of the reasons above. For all of those contemplating a roller bearing conversion think long an hard about the costs vs benifits both short and long term.

Ryan Scott

lima709@aol.com


  
 
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