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 Post subject: CP 1098
PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:30 pm 

Recent photo of this 4-6-0 at Jim Thorpe, PA. Previously a Steamtown engine.

http://abpr2.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?january04/01-02-04/cpsteam01.jpg
ryarger@rypn.org


  
 
 Post subject: Re: CP 1098
PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:52 pm 

> Recent photo of this 4-6-0 at Jim Thorpe,
> PA. Previously a Steamtown engine.

I'm not so sure this was once a Steamtown engine. I remember reading that George Hart at one point owned six six-coupled steam locomotives, almost in pairs; BEDT 0-6-0T 14 and RDG 0-6-0T 1251; CPR G-5 4-6-2s 1238 and 1286, and 2 CPR 4-6-0s, 972 and another one. Could this be the second 4-6-0?

edm5970@earthlink.net


  
 
 Post subject: Re: CP 1098
PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:10 pm 

Hello

Yes, its definitly an ex Steamtown USA engine, a near twin of 972 formerly owned by Hart. I've got pictures of the '98 covered with snow in the Riverside Vt Yard somewhere...

Here's to hoping the 972 finds greener pastures once the Rail Tours situation shakes out...

Dave Crosby

bing@epix.net


  
 
 Post subject: Re: CP 1098
PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:19 pm 

OK, I guess I remembered it wrong, approximate pairs of engines. Whatever I read was years ago-

> Hello

> Yes, its definitly an ex Steamtown USA
> engine, a near twin of 972 formerly owned by
> Hart. I've got pictures of the '98 covered
> with snow in the Riverside Vt Yard
> somewhere...

> Here's to hoping the 972 finds greener
> pastures once the Rail Tours situation
> shakes out...

> Dave Crosby


edm5970@earthlink.net


  
 
 Post subject: Re: CP 1098
PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:58 pm 

Here's the info i have on the engine....

1098 CLC Serial 1134 11/1913 4-6-0

ex-Steamtown USA 1098 (1988)
exx-F.Nelson Blount, 1967;
nee CP 1098, (12/1961), Class D10h

Ken Jones Jr.
Niagara Falls Railway Museum

Niagara Falls Railway Museum
digitekfx@kwic.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: CP 1098
PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:31 pm 

I remember talking to *someone* at Steamtown, VT in the '60's right after it arrived down the Conn River Line about how soon they would "activate" it for service.....He said that the tires were bolted on and would not pass ICC at the time. Notice the photo, check the drivers.....Would this condition really make a difference in putting it in service now? I'd LOVE to hear and see a D-10 work again.......

> 1098 CLC Serial 1134 11/1913 4-6-0

> ex-Steamtown USA 1098 (1988)
> exx-F.Nelson Blount, 1967;
> nee CP 1098, (12/1961), Class D10h



gbrail@yahoo.com


  
 
 Post subject: George Hart's 6th engine...
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:32 am 

> I remember reading that George Hart
> at one point owned six six-coupled steam
> locomotives, almost in pairs; BEDT 0-6-0T 14
> and RDG 0-6-0T 1251; CPR G-5 4-6-2s 1238 and
> 1286, and 2 CPR 4-6-0s, 972 and another one.
> Could this be the second 4-6-0?

...was former Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal 13, a Baldwin sidetank 0-6-0T. It's now part of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania collection at Strasburg.

Regards,
Jim Robinson


  
 
 Post subject: Rail Tours Locomotives: All-Time Roster
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:23 pm 

Here's some of my own research on George Hart's locos, taken right from the primary source, GMH's own equipment records. Enjoy!

K.R. Bell

Rail Tours, Inc. All-Time Equipment Roster (c.1962-2001) George M. Hart, Jim Thorpe, Pa.
STEAM & DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES

Road # Type Builder Built C/N Cylinders Drivers Eng Wt.
10 Diesel-Electric General Electric 8/1946 28503 44T
Ex-Coudersport & Port Allegany, Wellsville, Addison & Galeton #D-1, Acquired in 1972. Leased to Lykens Valley Railroad, 1972-1983. Used at Jim Thorpe, Pa., 1983-1985. In use at the Stewartstown Railroad, Stewartstown, Pa.

11 Diesel-Electric Electro-Motive Corp. 9/1937 654 100T
EMC model SCm/SW 900. Ex-Steelton & Highspire #23, Philadelphia, Bethlehem & New England #206, Maryland & Pennsylvania #83, Stewartstown Railroad #11; purchased for use on the SRR in 1986 by G.M. Hart. Arrived in Jim Thorpe, Pa. in 1997. Operational; oldest diesel-electric locomotive in FRA service in U.S.

13 0-6-0T H.K. Porter Co. 4/1919 6369 18x24 40” 128,000
Built for United States Navy at New York, NY. Sold [date unknown] to Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal #13 at New York. Sold [1963?] to Rail Tours, Inc. Stored at Northeastern Lumber Co., Reading, Pa. Transferred to Strasburg, Pa. in 1968[?]. Sold to Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission in January 1977. On exhibit at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, Strasburg, Pa. Oil-fired, steam brakes. Never operated by Rail Tours.

14 0-6-0T H.K. Porter Co. 8/1920 6260 18x24 44”
Built for Mesta Machine Co. #5 at West Homestead, Pa. Sold January 1932 to Birmingham Rail & Locomotive Co. (dealer). Sold February 1935 to Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal (Havemeyer and Elder) #14 at New York, NY. Engine received new firebox at CNJ Elizabethport Shops on 1/27/1954. Retired October 1963. Sold February 5, 1964 to Rail Tours, Inc. Stored at Northeastern Lumber Co., Reading, Pa.; Arrived on M&P 8/28/1964. Fired up for service on the Maryland & Pennsylvania RR on September 10, 1964 and used until October 1964 (Sold? Or Lease: 4/1967 to [?] to Black River & Western Corp., Ringoes, NJ., c/o Nelson Tower, Jr., Flemington, NJ) Moved off M&P 3/22/1967. Sold June 1989 to John D. Sayer, Pennington, NJ. Sold 1995[?] to [?], Arkville, NY. Oil-fired, 52T.

972 4-6-0 Montreal Locomotive Works, Ltd. 9/1912 51106 21x28 63” 205,000
Built for Canadian Pacific Railway #972 as class D10j. Flues removed 2/15/1957, with 18,000 miles claimed through 6/8/1966. Standby service2/1959 until 1960 when it was retired and stored at CPR Weston Shops. Sold December 31, 1965 to Rail Tours, Inc. Arrived M&P May 10, 1966. Entered M&P service July 3, 1966. Last used in regular RTI/Ma & Pa service on May 23, 1967 and to Peach Bottom, Pa., on November 23, 1969. Moved off M&P 9/1/1971. Operated by RTI, Jim Thorpe, Pa., 10/1971-12/1986. Transferred to Strasburg, Pa. for repairs in 12/1986. Sold December 1995 to Strasburg Rail Road Co., Strasburg, Pa. Currently out of service, undergoing rebuilding.

1098 4-6-0 Canadian Locomotive Company 10/1913 1134 21x28 63” 205,000
Built by Canadian Locomotive Co., Kingston, Ontario for Canadian Pacific Railway #1098 as class D10h. Rebuilt in CPRÂ’s West Toronto Shops in 1957; engine ran intermittently until retired around 1959 and placed in stationary boiler service in 1960. Purchased 12/1961 by F. Nelson Blount, North Walpole, New Hampshire; moved in 1966 to Bellows Falls, Vermont. Donated in 1967 to the Steamtown Foundation at Bellows Falls, VT. Transferred to Scranton, Pa., in 12/1985. Sold 9/1987 to George M. Hart, Rail Tours, Inc. Engine returned to service on 9/25/1994 and only ran three weekends in 10/1994 before being placed out-of-service. Repairs were performed and engine was test-fired in 10/1996 and again in 10-11/1998. Currently stored serviceable in Jim Thorpe, Pa.

1251 0-6-0T P&R Reading Shops 9/1918 2306 20x24 50” 120,000
Built as Philadelphia & Reading class B4-a shop switcher #1251, Reading, Pa. Retired February 8, 1963. Built on the frame of a Reading class I-2. Sold to Rail Tours, Inc. on July 3, 1964. Arrived with coach #1504 in York on November 10 or 19, 1964. Last operated in RTI service 10/1966. Transferred to Strasburg, Pa. with coach #1341 on 5/27/1968. Sold May 15, 1968 [?] to Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission, Strasburg, Pa. Currently on exhibit at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, Strasburg.

1238 4-6-2 Montreal Locomotive Works, Ltd. 6/1946 74898 20x28 70” 230,000
Built for the Canadian Pacific Railway as class G-5c. Last ran under steam December 1957. Mileage since flues removed in 2/1957: 23,058 miles. Inspected by Ben Kantner at Weston Shops, Winnipeg on October 1, 1963. Sold April 24, 1964 to Rail Tours, Inc. for $5,000 at York, Pa. Arrived M&P 11/30/1964. Entered service Friday, August 19, 1967 on deadhead trip to Bethlehem, Pa., but never ran in RTI/M&P excursions; stored on Careva siding; leased 1967-1968 with 1286 to High Iron Co. for main line excursions. Sold August 30, 1968 to Red Clay Valley Equipment & Leasing Corp., Wilmington, DE. Sold in 1973 to Jack Showalter, Allegany Central Scenic Railway, Covington, Va.; in 1988 to Cumberland, MD; in 1993 to Stanton, W.Va. Tender capacity: 14 tons coal, 9600 gal. water.

1286 4-6-2 Montreal Locomotive Works, Ltd. 5/1948 2443 20x28 70” 234,000
Built for the Canadian Pacific Railway as class G-5d. Engine out of service February 14, 1958 (5800 miles on flues since removal). Inspected by Ben Kantner at Weston Shops, Winnipeg on October 1, 1963. Sold April 24, 1964 to Rail Tours, Inc. for $5,000 at York, Pa. Shipped with 1238 via CPR Hamilton to NYC Buffalo (via Niagara Falls) to PRR Williamsport to M&P York on November 27, 1964. Arrived M&P 11/30/1964. Entered service on RTI/M&P April 18, 1965; leased to High Iron Co., c/o CNJRR, moved off M&P 8/11/1967, last used February 10, 1968. Sold August 30, 1968 to Red Clay Valley Equipment & Leasing Corp., at Wilmington, DE. Moved off M&P with 1238 on August 31, 1968. Sold in 1973 to Jack Showalter, Allegany Central Scenic Railway, Covington, Va.; in 1988 to Cumberland, MD; in 1993 to Stanton, W.Va. Tender capacity: 14 tons coal, 9600 gal. water.

> ...was former Brooklyn Eastern District
> Terminal 13, a Baldwin sidetank 0-6-0T. It's
> now part of the Railroad Museum of
> Pennsylvania collection at Strasburg.

> Regards,
> Jim Robinson


  
 
 Post subject: BEDT roster
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:52 pm 

I was thinking today that it would be nice to see a BEDT roster and dispositions. I see Kurt has filled in the blanks about 13 and 14, I know Thomas is a BEDT engine (I don't remember which one) and there is one on Long Island. I started volunteering at BR&W the year after 14 came out of service and missed seeing it run, although I heard all the war stories about it's steaming and riding qualities, and how the bearings weren't up to 5 ten-mile round trips per day.

Are any other BEDT steamers left? And is there a BEDT roster, both steam and diesel, anywhere on-line? Interesting little railroad, running steam in the shadow of the UN building.



edm5970@earthlink.net


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rail Tours Locomotives: All-Time Roster
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:58 pm 

It is my understanding that GE 44-ton #10 is actually owned by the Stewartstown Railroad. This is the engine that became stranded in York, PA, in 1972 because Tropical Storm Agnes tore through the area the day before it was to be delivered to the Stewartstown RR (by a Penn Central freight on the Northern Central line). It took more than 12 years for the engine to arrive at its destination! -- Ray

> Here's some of my own research on George
> Hart's locos, taken right from the primary
> source, GMH's own equipment records. Enjoy!

> K.R. Bell

> Rail Tours, Inc. All-Time Equipment Roster
> (c.1962-2001) George M. Hart, Jim Thorpe,
> Pa.
> STEAM & DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES

> Road # Type Builder Built C/N Cylinders
> Drivers Eng Wt.
> 10 Diesel-Electric General Electric 8/1946
> 28503 44T
> Ex-Coudersport & Port Allegany,
> Wellsville, Addison & Galeton #D-1,
> Acquired in 1972. Leased to Lykens Valley
> Railroad, 1972-1983. Used at Jim Thorpe,
> Pa., 1983-1985. In use at the Stewartstown
> Railroad, Stewartstown, Pa.

> 11 Diesel-Electric Electro-Motive Corp.
> 9/1937 654 100T
> EMC model SCm/SW 900. Ex-Steelton &
> Highspire #23, Philadelphia, Bethlehem &
> New England #206, Maryland &
> Pennsylvania #83, Stewartstown Railroad #11;
> purchased for use on the SRR in 1986 by G.M.
> Hart. Arrived in Jim Thorpe, Pa. in 1997.
> Operational; oldest diesel-electric
> locomotive in FRA service in U.S.

> 13 0-6-0T H.K. Porter Co. 4/1919 6369 18x24
> 40” 128,000
> Built for United States Navy at New York,
> NY. Sold [date unknown] to Brooklyn Eastern
> District Terminal #13 at New York. Sold
> [1963?] to Rail Tours, Inc. Stored at
> Northeastern Lumber Co., Reading, Pa.
> Transferred to Strasburg, Pa. in 1968[?].
> Sold to Pennsylvania Historical & Museum
> Commission in January 1977. On exhibit at
> the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania,
> Strasburg, Pa. Oil-fired, steam brakes.
> Never operated by Rail Tours.

> 14 0-6-0T H.K. Porter Co. 8/1920 6260 18x24
> 44”
> Built for Mesta Machine Co. #5 at West
> Homestead, Pa. Sold January 1932 to
> Birmingham Rail & Locomotive Co.
> (dealer). Sold February 1935 to Brooklyn
> Eastern District Terminal (Havemeyer and
> Elder) #14 at New York, NY. Engine received
> new firebox at CNJ Elizabethport Shops on
> 1/27/1954. Retired October 1963. Sold
> February 5, 1964 to Rail Tours, Inc. Stored
> at Northeastern Lumber Co., Reading, Pa.;
> Arrived on M&P 8/28/1964. Fired up for
> service on the Maryland & Pennsylvania
> RR on September 10, 1964 and used until
> October 1964 (Sold? Or Lease: 4/1967 to [?]
> to Black River & Western Corp., Ringoes,
> NJ., c/o Nelson Tower, Jr., Flemington, NJ)
> Moved off M&P 3/22/1967. Sold June 1989
> to John D. Sayer, Pennington, NJ. Sold
> 1995[?] to [?], Arkville, NY. Oil-fired,
> 52T.

> 972 4-6-0 Montreal Locomotive Works, Ltd.
> 9/1912 51106 21x28 63” 205,000
> Built for Canadian Pacific Railway #972 as
> class D10j. Flues removed 2/15/1957, with
> 18,000 miles claimed through 6/8/1966.
> Standby service2/1959 until 1960 when it was
> retired and stored at CPR Weston Shops. Sold
> December 31, 1965 to Rail Tours, Inc.
> Arrived M&P May 10, 1966. Entered
> M&P service July 3, 1966. Last used in
> regular RTI/Ma & Pa service on May 23,
> 1967 and to Peach Bottom, Pa., on November
> 23, 1969. Moved off M&P 9/1/1971.
> Operated by RTI, Jim Thorpe, Pa.,
> 10/1971-12/1986. Transferred to Strasburg,
> Pa. for repairs in 12/1986. Sold December
> 1995 to Strasburg Rail Road Co., Strasburg,
> Pa. Currently out of service, undergoing
> rebuilding.

> 1098 4-6-0 Canadian Locomotive Company
> 10/1913 1134 21x28 63” 205,000
> Built by Canadian Locomotive Co., Kingston,
> Ontario for Canadian Pacific Railway #1098
> as class D10h. Rebuilt in CPRÂ’s West Toronto
> Shops in 1957; engine ran intermittently
> until retired around 1959 and placed in
> stationary boiler service in 1960. Purchased
> 12/1961 by F. Nelson Blount, North Walpole,
> New Hampshire; moved in 1966 to Bellows
> Falls, Vermont. Donated in 1967 to the
> Steamtown Foundation at Bellows Falls, VT.
> Transferred to Scranton, Pa., in 12/1985.
> Sold 9/1987 to George M. Hart, Rail Tours,
> Inc. Engine returned to service on 9/25/1994
> and only ran three weekends in 10/1994
> before being placed out-of-service. Repairs
> were performed and engine was test-fired in
> 10/1996 and again in 10-11/1998. Currently
> stored serviceable in Jim Thorpe, Pa.

> 1251 0-6-0T P&R Reading Shops 9/1918
> 2306 20x24 50” 120,000
> Built as Philadelphia & Reading class
> B4-a shop switcher #1251, Reading, Pa.
> Retired February 8, 1963. Built on the frame
> of a Reading class I-2. Sold to Rail Tours,
> Inc. on July 3, 1964. Arrived with coach
> #1504 in York on November 10 or 19, 1964.
> Last operated in RTI service 10/1966.
> Transferred to Strasburg, Pa. with coach
> #1341 on 5/27/1968. Sold May 15, 1968 [?] to
> Pennsylvania Historical & Museum
> Commission, Strasburg, Pa. Currently on
> exhibit at the Railroad Museum of
> Pennsylvania, Strasburg.

> 1238 4-6-2 Montreal Locomotive Works, Ltd.
> 6/1946 74898 20x28 70” 230,000
> Built for the Canadian Pacific Railway as
> class G-5c. Last ran under steam December
> 1957. Mileage since flues removed in 2/1957:
> 23,058 miles. Inspected by Ben Kantner at
> Weston Shops, Winnipeg on October 1, 1963.
> Sold April 24, 1964 to Rail Tours, Inc. for
> $5,000 at York, Pa. Arrived M&P
> 11/30/1964. Entered service Friday, August
> 19, 1967 on deadhead trip to Bethlehem, Pa.,
> but never ran in RTI/M&P excursions;
> stored on Careva siding; leased 1967-1968
> with 1286 to High Iron Co. for main line
> excursions. Sold August 30, 1968 to Red Clay
> Valley Equipment & Leasing Corp.,
> Wilmington, DE. Sold in 1973 to Jack
> Showalter, Allegany Central Scenic Railway,
> Covington, Va.; in 1988 to Cumberland, MD;
> in 1993 to Stanton, W.Va. Tender capacity:
> 14 tons coal, 9600 gal. water.

> 1286 4-6-2 Montreal Locomotive Works, Ltd.
> 5/1948 2443 20x28 70” 234,000
> Built for the Canadian Pacific Railway as
> class G-5d. Engine out of service February
> 14, 1958 (5800 miles on flues since
> removal). Inspected by Ben Kantner at Weston
> Shops, Winnipeg on October 1, 1963. Sold
> April 24, 1964 to Rail Tours, Inc. for
> $5,000 at York, Pa. Shipped with 1238 via
> CPR Hamilton to NYC Buffalo (via Niagara
> Falls) to PRR Williamsport to M&P York
> on November 27, 1964. Arrived M&P
> 11/30/1964. Entered service on RTI/M&P
> April 18, 1965; leased to High Iron Co., c/o
> CNJRR, moved off M&P 8/11/1967, last
> used February 10, 1968. Sold August 30, 1968
> to Red Clay Valley Equipment & Leasing
> Corp., at Wilmington, DE. Moved off M&P
> with 1238 on August 31, 1968. Sold in 1973
> to Jack Showalter, Allegany Central Scenic
> Railway, Covington, Va.; in 1988 to
> Cumberland, MD; in 1993 to Stanton, W.Va.
> Tender capacity: 14 tons coal, 9600 gal.
> water.


raymondreter@aol.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: BEDT roster
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:09 pm 

> I was thinking today that it would be nice
> to see a BEDT roster and dispositions. I see
> Kurt has filled in the blanks about 13 and
> 14, I know Thomas is a BEDT engine (I don't
> remember which one) and there is one on Long
> Island. I started volunteering at BR&W
> the year after 14 came out of service and
> missed seeing it run, although I heard all
> the war stories about it's steaming and
> riding qualities, and how the bearings
> weren't up to 5 ten-mile round trips per
> day.

> Are any other BEDT steamers left? And is
> there a BEDT roster, both steam and diesel,
> anywhere on-line? Interesting little
> railroad, running steam in the shadow of the
> UN building.

For the survivors, go to steamlocomotive.info, click on search, go down to railroad name and type in "brooklyn eastern district terminal." The wording needs to be exact in order to bring up links to the five survivors.

For rosters and some historical info, follow the link.



http://www2pb.ip-soft.net/railinfo/car-floats/bedt.html
mckay1995@comcast.net


  
 
 Post subject: Re: BEDT roster *PIC*
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:46 pm 

The one on Long Island is the #16, which was the last to operate on the BEDT I understand. The Delaware & Ulster in Arkville also has a BEDT engine, and there is also one in Florida. Quite a few of these engines have survived. The #16 is owned and kept at the Railroad Museum of Long Island's site in Riverhead, New York. The BEDT #16 is slowly being restored by Mike Arnold who is another RYPN interchange reader/poster. I understand the museum isn't doing anything with it, so I think its his personal project. He's been busy with other things and running the 16" gauge mini train, so he hasn't had time to do much with it just yet. If he completes the restoration, it will be a good example for fellow younger-generation railroaders.

Riverhead is located between the two forks of Eastern Long Island. The town of Riverhead is going through an "urban renewal" and attractions such as the Railroad Museum, the Atlantis Marine World aquarium and amusements, the Splish Splash waterpark, a planned amusement park, and new shopping areas are really helping to revive a classic old town. It is still far from what the town officials are trying to do with it, though.

The museum is located right in town, and the town itself is on the Peconic River. You can take your boat from anywhere (Long Island Sound via Orient Point, Atlantic Ocean via Shinnecock Bay, you name it) and pull it right into town behind the stores on the riverfront.

The museum has big plans which are starting to materialize. This year, the 1964 World's Fair miniature train (a Sturtevant/MT&RC 16" gauge F-unit, highly rebuilt and modified by Grumman) went into operation on a layout of track on the museum grounds. An eventual engine house/restoration shop are planned. A turntable has been brought down from the Arcade & Attica for eventual installation and use with the #39 excursions. The #39 of course is one of two surviving LIRR steam locomotives still on Long Island, which has a grant for a professional contracted-out restoration. In coming years, plans are to use it in excursion service between Riverhead and Greenport on the last leg of the former LIRR mainline which is seldom used these days. Due to the fact the engine is not designed to run at speed in reverse, turntables at each end are neccessary. The Greenport turntable, the original, is still there and can be used after work.

There is an 0-4-0T Porter, stored serviceable, in a shed on the site which is mounted on a trailer where it can be steamed up. It's kept in the shed and you can't see much of it, but I've linked a picture when it wasn't in the shed. It came from the Defiance Coal Company in New Mexico and is a most unusual 40" gauge. It was owned by Stan Groman at Rail City in Oswego, and was donated by a man in Southampton who restored it to operation.

Aside from these three steamers at the RMLI, there is also an RS3 ex-LIRR, the first prototype (and sole surviving) LIRR "double decker" (trailer model, not powered MU" which were a landmark to Long Island commuters into the 1970s. There's also three of the 1998-retired LIRR Pullmans which will be used behind the 39 when restored. Visit their web site for the much more equipment they have. Don't forget they do have a second site in Greenport's old freight depot, home to the "Jaws" snowplow, the Greenport turntable, etc. Don't forget the wooden caboose! Go up, pay them a visit. It's about an hour and a half, given a good day, from the city. You can also take the Long Island Railroad from Penn Station as the stations in Greenport and Riverhead are adjacent to both museum sites. Frank Field in Greenport also has a 16" gauge miniature railroad with three miniature MT&RC F-units, and any covered wagon fans should go there and check it out. One is painted for the New Haven (an AB), another for the Lackawanna.

Keep Steaming,
Ed Kelley
ON TRACK with Ed Kelley http://www.discoverlivesteam.com


Railroad Museum of Long Island
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ed.kelley@discoverlivesteam.com


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rail Tours Locomotives: All-Time Roster
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:20 pm 

> Here's some of my own research on George
> Hart's locos, taken right from the primary
> source, GMH's own equipment records. Enjoy!

> K.R. Bell

> Rail Tours, Inc. All-Time Equipment Roster
> (c.1962-2001) George M. Hart, Jim Thorpe,
> Pa.
> STEAM & DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES

> Road # Type Builder Built C/N Cylinders
> Drivers Eng Wt.
> 10 Diesel-Electric General Electric 8/1946
> 28503 44T
> Ex-Coudersport & Port Allegany,
> Wellsville, Addison & Galeton #D-1,
> Acquired in 1972. Leased to Lykens Valley
> Railroad, 1972-1983. Used at Jim Thorpe,
> Pa., 1983-1985. In use at the Stewartstown
> Railroad, Stewartstown, Pa.

Are you sure the dates this locomotive was leased to the Lykens Valley are correct? I was working for Mercersburg Railway in 1979 and 80. The Lykens Valley was a sister railroad and the first operated by the parent company, Northmont Industries. Originally the LKVY was operated with Alco S-2 number 1 which was moved to Mercersburg when that railroad started. A 44 tonner was moved to Millersburg to replace number 1 in 79 or 80. I recall taking batteries to Millersburg and doing some prep work to get this GE started. I believe this was ex WM 76.

Eventually the LKVY became the property of a fellow named Don Moryer. I think it was he who brought in the 10 to replace 76. This would probably have been in 81 or possibly 82 if I recall correctly.

I am certainly no expert on these little GE's and it has been so long ago I am not sure of any of the above details except my trips to work on one or more 44 tonners. I think I may have actually worked on both. However I am sure the Lykens Valley did not exist in 1972. That should have been the year Hurricane Agnes closed the line due to flooding. Is it possible the 10 was actually leased in 1982 and the 1972 is a typo or am I completely wrong about all of this?

John Bohon

> 11 Diesel-Electric Electro-Motive Corp.
> 9/1937 654 100T
> EMC model SCm/SW 900. Ex-Steelton &
> Highspire #23, Philadelphia, Bethlehem &
> New England #206, Maryland &
> Pennsylvania #83, Stewartstown Railroad #11;
> purchased for use on the SRR in 1986 by G.M.
> Hart. Arrived in Jim Thorpe, Pa. in 1997.
> Operational; oldest diesel-electric
> locomotive in FRA service in U.S.

> 13 0-6-0T H.K. Porter Co. 4/1919 6369 18x24
> 40” 128,000
> Built for United States Navy at New York,
> NY. Sold [date unknown] to Brooklyn Eastern
> District Terminal #13 at New York. Sold
> [1963?] to Rail Tours, Inc. Stored at
> Northeastern Lumber Co., Reading, Pa.
> Transferred to Strasburg, Pa. in 1968[?].
> Sold to Pennsylvania Historical & Museum
> Commission in January 1977. On exhibit at
> the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania,
> Strasburg, Pa. Oil-fired, steam brakes.
> Never operated by Rail Tours.

> 14 0-6-0T H.K. Porter Co. 8/1920 6260 18x24
> 44”
> Built for Mesta Machine Co. #5 at West
> Homestead, Pa. Sold January 1932 to
> Birmingham Rail & Locomotive Co.
> (dealer). Sold February 1935 to Brooklyn
> Eastern District Terminal (Havemeyer and
> Elder) #14 at New York, NY. Engine received
> new firebox at CNJ Elizabethport Shops on
> 1/27/1954. Retired October 1963. Sold
> February 5, 1964 to Rail Tours, Inc. Stored
> at Northeastern Lumber Co., Reading, Pa.;
> Arrived on M&P 8/28/1964. Fired up for
> service on the Maryland & Pennsylvania
> RR on September 10, 1964 and used until
> October 1964 (Sold? Or Lease: 4/1967 to [?]
> to Black River & Western Corp., Ringoes,
> NJ., c/o Nelson Tower, Jr., Flemington, NJ)
> Moved off M&P 3/22/1967. Sold June 1989
> to John D. Sayer, Pennington, NJ. Sold
> 1995[?] to [?], Arkville, NY. Oil-fired,
> 52T.

> 972 4-6-0 Montreal Locomotive Works, Ltd.
> 9/1912 51106 21x28 63” 205,000
> Built for Canadian Pacific Railway #972 as
> class D10j. Flues removed 2/15/1957, with
> 18,000 miles claimed through 6/8/1966.
> Standby service2/1959 until 1960 when it was
> retired and stored at CPR Weston Shops. Sold
> December 31, 1965 to Rail Tours, Inc.
> Arrived M&P May 10, 1966. Entered
> M&P service July 3, 1966. Last used in
> regular RTI/Ma & Pa service on May 23,
> 1967 and to Peach Bottom, Pa., on November
> 23, 1969. Moved off M&P 9/1/1971.
> Operated by RTI, Jim Thorpe, Pa.,
> 10/1971-12/1986. Transferred to Strasburg,
> Pa. for repairs in 12/1986. Sold December
> 1995 to Strasburg Rail Road Co., Strasburg,
> Pa. Currently out of service, undergoing
> rebuilding.

> 1098 4-6-0 Canadian Locomotive Company
> 10/1913 1134 21x28 63” 205,000
> Built by Canadian Locomotive Co., Kingston,
> Ontario for Canadian Pacific Railway #1098
> as class D10h. Rebuilt in CPRÂ’s West Toronto
> Shops in 1957; engine ran intermittently
> until retired around 1959 and placed in
> stationary boiler service in 1960. Purchased
> 12/1961 by F. Nelson Blount, North Walpole,
> New Hampshire; moved in 1966 to Bellows
> Falls, Vermont. Donated in 1967 to the
> Steamtown Foundation at Bellows Falls, VT.
> Transferred to Scranton, Pa., in 12/1985.
> Sold 9/1987 to George M. Hart, Rail Tours,
> Inc. Engine returned to service on 9/25/1994
> and only ran three weekends in 10/1994
> before being placed out-of-service. Repairs
> were performed and engine was test-fired in
> 10/1996 and again in 10-11/1998. Currently
> stored serviceable in Jim Thorpe, Pa.

> 1251 0-6-0T P&R Reading Shops 9/1918
> 2306 20x24 50” 120,000
> Built as Philadelphia & Reading class
> B4-a shop switcher #1251, Reading, Pa.
> Retired February 8, 1963. Built on the frame
> of a Reading class I-2. Sold to Rail Tours,
> Inc. on July 3, 1964. Arrived with coach
> #1504 in York on November 10 or 19, 1964.
> Last operated in RTI service 10/1966.
> Transferred to Strasburg, Pa. with coach
> #1341 on 5/27/1968. Sold May 15, 1968 [?] to
> Pennsylvania Historical & Museum
> Commission, Strasburg, Pa. Currently on
> exhibit at the Railroad Museum of
> Pennsylvania, Strasburg.

> 1238 4-6-2 Montreal Locomotive Works, Ltd.
> 6/1946 74898 20x28 70” 230,000
> Built for the Canadian Pacific Railway as
> class G-5c. Last ran under steam December
> 1957. Mileage since flues removed in 2/1957:
> 23,058 miles. Inspected by Ben Kantner at
> Weston Shops, Winnipeg on October 1, 1963.
> Sold April 24, 1964 to Rail Tours, Inc. for
> $5,000 at York, Pa. Arrived M&P
> 11/30/1964. Entered service Friday, August
> 19, 1967 on deadhead trip to Bethlehem, Pa.,
> but never ran in RTI/M&P excursions;
> stored on Careva siding; leased 1967-1968
> with 1286 to High Iron Co. for main line
> excursions. Sold August 30, 1968 to Red Clay
> Valley Equipment & Leasing Corp.,
> Wilmington, DE. Sold in 1973 to Jack
> Showalter, Allegany Central Scenic Railway,
> Covington, Va.; in 1988 to Cumberland, MD;
> in 1993 to Stanton, W.Va. Tender capacity:
> 14 tons coal, 9600 gal. water.

> 1286 4-6-2 Montreal Locomotive Works, Ltd.
> 5/1948 2443 20x28 70” 234,000
> Built for the Canadian Pacific Railway as
> class G-5d. Engine out of service February
> 14, 1958 (5800 miles on flues since
> removal). Inspected by Ben Kantner at Weston
> Shops, Winnipeg on October 1, 1963. Sold
> April 24, 1964 to Rail Tours, Inc. for
> $5,000 at York, Pa. Shipped with 1238 via
> CPR Hamilton to NYC Buffalo (via Niagara
> Falls) to PRR Williamsport to M&P York
> on November 27, 1964. Arrived M&P
> 11/30/1964. Entered service on RTI/M&P
> April 18, 1965; leased to High Iron Co., c/o
> CNJRR, moved off M&P 8/11/1967, last
> used February 10, 1968. Sold August 30, 1968
> to Red Clay Valley Equipment & Leasing
> Corp., at Wilmington, DE. Moved off M&P
> with 1238 on August 31, 1968. Sold in 1973
> to Jack Showalter, Allegany Central Scenic
> Railway, Covington, Va.; in 1988 to
> Cumberland, MD; in 1993 to Stanton, W.Va.
> Tender capacity: 14 tons coal, 9600 gal.
> water.


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 Post subject: Re: BEDT roster *PIC*
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:36 pm 

> Interesting little
> railroad, running steam in the shadow of the
> UN building.

Not to mention the Empire State Building...if you look just above the fuel bunker!

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 Post subject: Re: Rail Tours Locomotives: All-Time Roster
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:29 pm 

Although it is lettered for the Stewartstown, I think technically speaking the unit is owned by George M. Hart, who is also is President and General Manager--that was my understanding from speaking with him in past conversations, anyway.

> It is my understanding that GE 44-ton #10 is
> actually owned by the Stewartstown Railroad.
> This is the engine that became stranded in
> York, PA, in 1972 because Tropical Storm
> Agnes tore through the area the day before
> it was to be delivered to the Stewartstown
> RR (by a Penn Central freight on the
> Northern Central line). It took more than 12
> years for the engine to arrive at its
> destination! -- Ray


  
 
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