It will be one of the Armco schemes but this still leaves at least two choices.

If we fabricate and put foot boards back on, we could conceivably paint it back into its as delivered scheme: black paint with yellow steps and yellow striped ends. Still, we won't have removed every dent, so it won't look exactly like a builder's photo locomotive.

If we don't add the foot boards, we could paint it in the mid-60's look with the yellow side running board safety stripes and the silver trucks. These were basically additions to the standard paint scheme. This is probably the preferred one of the two for a number of reasons. This is the one shown on our website photo when we tried to quickly clean it up in the yard.

The other 8 cylinder Lima-Hamilton we have is B&O #320. Hopefully we will be able to do the same cab repairs to it that #709 received. It isn't likely to be restored as an operational unit, but is essentially complete and will be on display in the new museum site. It will be painted in B&O blue.

David Farlow

Supe, all the PA's that survived DID have 251's fitted. That's what made them "PA-4"s. Doyle's just putting one back in.

The argument to keep 244's in them was pretty much over by mid-1975 when the rebuilds were done.

I doubt anyone involved with repatriation over the years ever thought they would get anything other than a 251-equipped, or 251-ready PA-4.

Which is fine by me, since I did not see one until April 1976 so all I have ever known are PA's with 251's. ;-)


Rob

A list of hope, perhaps?

Rob

* Baldwin Sharks

* CNJ SW-1 at RMDI in Pittston, PA

* The other PA's

* The Mack at Allaire, NJ

others?

The argument to keep 244's in them was pretty much over by mid-1975 when the rebuilds were done.

I doubt anyone involved with repatriation over the years ever thought they would get anything other than a 251-equipped, or 251-ready PA-4.


Don't know if it was here or whether it was initiated as a fork in the road in a discussion about a 16-244 that was for sale on Ebay (multiple times, I think), or as part of a discussion on the D-L ex D&H RS-3's, but I remember one of those tortuous discussions on some board or other whether where fasibility and practicality were considered expendible in order to appease some self appointed commissars of originality.

When I say survived, I mean en masse, ala E-8's, not just the four that the D&H saved by including in their 1970's pursuit of interesting diesels. I just wanted to a replay of "well, Doyle should've bought that 244 on Ebay stuff".

The ex-CPR C-Liner at the Science and Technolgy Museum in Ottawa, Ontario.

There is also a historical precident for running a 12-244 in a PA. The D&H did that around 1973 as a temporary substitution following a problem with one of the 16 cylinder 244's.

But frankly the diesels I want to see operated far more than anything on rails are the 16-278A main propulsion engines in the USS SLATER.

And an interesting side note in history, one of the gentlemen who was in D&H Mechanical Department management when they put the 12-244 in the PA is helping out with the work on the diesel engines in the USS SLATER.

So now you know the rest of the story.....

As a side note, that 12 cy. 244 still exists in Cuyahoga Valley's RS-3, former D&H 4099.

B. Allan

The MN&S Baldwin centercab at IRM.

I would also add DL&W 3001, the Ingersoll-Rand boxcab at IRM. This unit was acquired with the prime mover in operating condition and has been stored indoors ever since... with enough money to rebuild its traction motors and wheels it could easily be a runner.

In the same building as the Ingersoll Rand Unit sits a SD24, receiving the equivalent of a 95 point concourse restoration including new covers for various access panels... Near by is a E unit getting new skin, with all of the frame members getting the appropriate cleaning and rust removal... A UP Doodle bug is getting a new roof, with all new wooden members.

The results of each of these efforts will be well restored locomotives, with long lives as preserved units.

A member, but not really involved....

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 481&nseq=0 - Found this image on RailPics.net - looks like another diesel restoration has taken place. Anyone know the story behind this one?

Nice to hear that the NUAG/RRMNE is restoring a B&M RS-3, be pretty wild to see that and the Geep together. A few other intresting ones that come to mind are the Eire 833 and the rest of Jimmy Wilson's fleet of Eire inspired power (pair of Geeps and an RS-3) and the Chessie painted GP9 on the South Branch Valley.

-Justin Franz

I was a little dissapointed to see ATSF 347C and the B-unit stored away inside the Sacramento shops last Nov. Glad it's preserved, understand why its inside, but given the omnipresent and ongoing popularity of the ATSF warbonnet scheme, and the fact that Doyle's PA isn't going to get it (that's OK, sigh...).... someday, that F-unit deserves a running restoration someday if humanly possible. Yeah, I know it's one of many, on the list, etc....

The SP Daylight E-unit is equally spectacular, that's now running. But if there are any other operating ATSF F7's out there, speak up... I sure don't think so. It's immortal everywhere except a running unit.

I'm always amazed by the longevity of the Warbonnet. Our local grocery store in PA just ran a 'trainload grocery sale', and the cartoon graphic color image splashed across the lead page was clearly an F-unit, and even had 347C as the number! Like it or not, that is still the public image so many thousands of people conjur up when you say 'train'..... And I'll freely admit I'm a Santa Fe fan to the very core.

And it's old news, for sure, but the units that stir my soul as being the most improbable, and immortal sights I never got to see the first time around and can't get enough of now are Bennet Levin's PRR E-units. They've been all over the Northeast, on the Curve, even in my hometown. I have an enlargement on the wall of when they were here. My oldest son caught the railfan bug BAD pacing those units, and got his first published photo of them. The ability to be able to transfer steel into emotion... there's something special about that.

While I am not a great Diesel fan, I will chime in with one for the little guys.

The Western Railway Museum has 3 44 ton switchers with Interurban histories. The Sacramento Northern and Visalia Electric 44 ton locos have a fairly standard color scheme.

But our Salt Lake, Garfield & Western loco is different. The line was called the Saltair Line because of its heavy passenger service to the Saltair Amusement Park out in the Salt Lake.

They put large letters in flowing script across the center of the locomotive spelling the Saltair name.

One of the two Diesels has to be rebuilt for the switcher to operate and then it can MU with the Museum's Visalia 502. For now all three locomotives have covered storage until their turn in the Shop comes.

Ted Miles