At North Collins, NY this summer. Anyone know which RR owned it first?

http://abpr2.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi? ... 1-07_A.jpg

Internet search engines can be your best friend, Bob. I entered:

"Re 606" HH660

in the old 1-Followed-By-100-Zeroes, and this was the first thing to pop up among a half-dozen containing the info you desired:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPi ... x?id=11654

confirming my suspicions it was ex-Buffalo Creek 43, which I remember Relco had for a while.

Buffalo Creek is correct. Owned by the Western New York group, same group that owns the PRR I1.

http://www.trainweb.org/wnyrhs/bc43Frame1Source1.htm

It's always nice to get the correct information, but would be nicer without the subtle insults. As one who works 7 days a week, I don't have as much time to track things down as our resident nitpicker does.

Mr. Yarger, don't take this personally, but .......

You claim not to have any time to track things down (when my Google search took all of twenty seconds OR LESS from first keystroke to copying the link to RyPN, and I have dial-up)............

............ but you have time to find dozens of photos of now-preserved or wish-they-were-preserved equipment and post links to them here.

I tend not to click on your photo link posts simply because, from experience, I know they'll be a link to an ABPR photo link with little to no relevant context. Your posts would be far more relevant and interesting if you took the additional 20 seconds to search for up-to-date information. For the record, I roll my eyes equally (or worse) at anyone who posts on other rail forums "Where is PRR 1361 that used to be at the Horshoe Curve?" or "Where is the Kate Shelly Bridge?" or "Where are there steam locomotives in Florida?"

INTERNET SEARCH ENGINES ARE YOUR FRIEND. You may get occasional misinformation, but by and large the basic information will be there, and accurate--case in point being South Buffalo 43.

Folks,

I am not sure if this is relevant, but,

I heard that the Kate Shelly bridge (whoever he or she is) is being moved to Florida to fill in the gap on the Flagler RR at Marathon key and the then PRR 1361 is going to be placed on it so we can find steam engines in Florida!

Scott. K

BTW, to steal one from Howard P.
MP, Nuthouse, New Jersey

TO THE MODERATORS:

I submit that this posting qualifies as a personal attack on Mr. Yarger. It is condescending and insulting. I'm finding that Mr. Michell's posts picking on Mr. Yarger as disruptive as some of the other authors on their particular subjects of issue. I request that you "moderate" his attitude.

I enjoy Mr. Yarger's posts and such comments as he includes and don't wish to lose them because of Mr. Michell's sophomoric statements of academic superiority.

Respectfully,

Ed Fritz

Gents - i think a certain amount of this is generational as well. Bob and I are of an age, and i generally use search engines as a resource of last resort, only when I can't find hardcopy in my stacks of archives or a personal source of information. Part of it is search engines are not as contextually sensitive as people or as convenient as paper - they simply provide a flood of potentially useful (or not) sources of data of unproven and dubious parentage. Ever try to hold a conversation with one? I'd hesitate to consider them friends myself. Of course, i still regret my library scrapping the physical card catalog for a computerized replica - i don't find the interesting things I didn't come looking for while looking for what I did come looking for any longer, and the computers just don't smell and feel right either - the tactile sensation that says "library" is missing.

Its all about comfort factors Sandy - and some of us are more comfortable using other technologies that can be depended on even during power failures, and allow for the unintentional pleasant surprise and true friendly conversation and exploration of a subject of interest or two. Doesn't make us stupid or ignorant to choose a different path.

dave

Let's remember that I grew up as a library aide in middle and high school, library assistant in college (both during card catalog days), help run a railroad library now, have a room of my place filled floor-to-ceiling with "hard copy" (books, complete runs of a dozen magazines, file folders, photos, index cards that may never see the light of day again......), and have library ID for every library in my state, the Library of Congress, and even university libraries.....

....... and all my annotated copies of the Extra 2200 South preserved diesels rosters and Second Diesel Spotters Guides, file folders for preservation groups, and personal memories were effectively replaced with one mouse click and fifteen keystrokes and another mouse click.

Yes, the Internet is full of hogwash. You know what? So are a lot of those railroad history books and articles, I've belatedly found. With any such research, one needs to apply a modicum of discretion and judgment. If a search engine says an orange Relco HH660 numbered 606 is ex-South Buffalo 43, I'm going to consider that better than some website saying it hides the Ark of the Covenant that was spirited away by Nazi storm troopers that snuck off to Schenectady in 1945.

Saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" is hogwash. I'm not asking Bob to program a Java applet to show an HH660 crossing my screen. Maybe someday some folks will get the idea that they can, indeed, type "Alco HH660 RELCO 606" in a search engine and find out where Relco got the loco, or find photos of SP 1744 in a past life, or....... whatever.

I mean no personal animosity towards Bob Yarger. But frankly I can't come up with a way to prod him into doing his own "homework" that doesn't sound at least mildly derisive. And I believe he can benefit from the experience, rather than the "let's ignore him and hope he gets the message to go away" technique frequently used in many other Internet forums.

I have an 80-year-old mentor still doing history research and steam whistle buying on the Internet. Another 76-year-old mentor is active on this and other online forums. I still learn from both of them.

The Internet is the library I used to fantasize about in my school days.

Ah, I understand now - But you must also understand that asking about a subject to the vast amount of knowledge based on this forum is a valid form of doing "homework" - and to many of us, a superior one. Which isn't to say that internet isn't also worthy if it is a preference. I find Cooks.com very useful, for example, just enter your stock of leftovers and recipes using them magically appear. Us old dogs are constantly learning new tricks, we just like our old ones better.

I share your love of libraries, and also spent most of my free time working in them (and reading my way through them) in my school days. I find my library fantasies reflect a desire to return to those libraries, populated with wise people skilled in the arcana of finding things in the stacks without electronic interference, and allowing for the universe to literally drop a book on my head that I didn't know I wanted to read until it landed there. Having a computer land on my head is likely to hurt.

But, to each their own - and nothing wrong with either approach.

dave

TO THE MODERATORS:

I submit that this posting qualifies as a huge waste of time to everyone on this forum. It is an unnecessary attack on simple expression. I'm finding that Mr. Fritz's posts picking on Mr. Michell for picking on Mr. Yarger as disruptive as some of the other authors on their particular subjects of issue. I request that you do nothing, because nothing needs to be done, and because last time I checked, people were still free to express opinions without the need to bow to the endlessly offended who feel the need to complain about every teeny meaningless "offense"..

I enjoy Mr. Yarger's posts and such comments as he includes and don't wish to lose them because of Mr. Fritz' sophomoric statements and presumed superiority and holier-than-thou righteous indignation.

Respectfully,

Scot

TO THE MODERATORS:

I submit that the above post is ALSO a huge waste of time! ;)

(just thought I would say it before someone else did! because you just know it was coming! ;)

and so is this one im typing right now..and etc etc..in other words..
just stop complaining..

I agree that people should be told they are being ridiculous when they cant take 2-seconds to use google..come on.
especially when said person makes 50 posts a day..

Scot

Its time to stop this thread. I let it ride longer than I would normally, as it has been illuminating on peoples research methods, and the changing world brought on by the internet… Apart from the name calling it also has shown us the diversity of our collective expectations from the list…

Some like Bob’s postings, some don’t. If you don’t please don’t read them. They have started a number of great discussions over the years.

In the future, if you have an issue with a posting, send the moderators a private message. Don’t take your issue to the board at large. With the exception of an occasional vacation I hit the board 6-12 times a day. We respond pretty quickly to problems. We also sometimes let things go for good reason.

Thank You
Randy Hees
Moderator RYPN
Private messages welcome.

Dear Sir:

I am glad to hear that your readership disapproves of the comments as strongly as I. As a naval officer I abhor the implication that rail preservation is a haven for cannibalism. It is well known that we now have the problem relatively under control, and that it is the Class Ones who now suffer the largest casualties in this area. And what do you think the Argylls ate in Aden. Arabs?

Yours etc.
Captain B.J. Smethwick in a white wine sauce with shallots, mushrooms and garlic

[cue the Undertaker sketch]

Well, we can bury her, burn her, or dump her.........

Dear Sir,

I object strongly to the letters on your programme. They are clearly not written by the general public and are merely included for a cheap laugh.

Yours etc.,
William Knickers.