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 Post subject: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Service
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:51 pm 

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I received this press release from Iowa Pacific & the Adirondack Railroad in my email:

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Iowa Pacific & Adirondack Railroad announce partnership to develop Pullman service between New York City & Lake Placid

The Adirondack Rail Preservation Society (ARPS), operators of current tourism rail services on the Adirondack Railroad, and Iowa Pacific Holdings, LLC have entered into a Memorandum of Understanding establishing a major new working partnership going forward. A key goal of the agreement is the establishment of high end excursion passenger service between New York City and Lake Placid, utilizing restored Pullman railcars and sleeping cars.

This MOU has been the subject of several months of effort as our two organizations established the basis for a working relationship and as Iowa Pacific fully assessed the potential of the Adirondack Railroad as the next in their continuing series of successful rail serviced evelopments across the country," states Bill Branson, President of ARPS.

Iowa Pacific Holdings is based in Chicago and is the parent company of several successful passenger and freight railroads around the U.S. and internationally. These include the Saratoga & North Creek Railroad in the eastern Adirondacks and the Rio Grande Scenic Railroad, the Mt. Hood Railroad, High Iron Travel, the Texas-New Mexico Railroad, and the West Texas & Lubbock Railway, as well as the Machuu Picchu Train in the Andes in South America. In addition, Iowa Pacific owns the Pullman Sleeping Car Company. Under their leadership, Pullman is actively engaged in the acquisition and restoration of historic Pullman passenger, dining and sleeper cars, with approximately 70 currently in various stages of restoration. This year, they have announced and are about to initiate Pullman Rail Journeys, operating high end overnight excursions similar to those operated in many areas of Europe such as the famous Orient Express. The first tour venture will begin in early November from Chicago to New Orleans.

"We are grateful to ARPS for the opportunity to work together on a project that can bring a dramatic rail service improvement to the Adirondacks," said Ed Ellis, President of Iowa Pacific Holdings. "Iowa Pacific has been working to revive rail corridors across the US and in other countries for freight and passenger service for over a decade, and our recent success with the Saratoga and North Creek is an indication of what can be done in the Adirondack market. We believe the higher-end travel audience in New York City is ready to respond to a first-class overnight experience on historic Pullman cars through the Adirondacks to Lake Placid. While we are quite aware of the structural challenges involved in developing this kind of service, we believe we are uniquely qualified to assist ARPS and this agreement is a first milestone in working toward the vision."

The MOU further states that "Iowa Pacific Holdings, Pullman Sleeping Car Company and the Saratoga and North Creek Railroad also concur with ARPS and the other parties that, based upon our broad national experience, the Adirondack railroad offers numerous opportunities for rail service development in the future in addition to the Lake Placid-New York City operation, including other expanded tourism rail operations along its length, rail access to trailheads and waterways, and future freight potential. The parties therefore also commit to the joint identification and shared exploration of these and all other forms of rail activity which appear achievable as a part of the future of this singular and irreplaceable infrastructure."

"This interest by one of the nation's premier rail companies in resuming service along the Utica-Lake Placid rail corridor is very exciting news," states Kate Fish, Executive Director of the Adirondack North Country Association. "ANCA has been a long time supporter of retaining rail infrastructure in the Adirondack North Country region as a vital component for our economic future. We applaud the commitment of Iowa Pacific, the Adirondack Railway and other important partners in this significant initiative."

"The revival of rail as an engine of tourism is evident across Europe and now all over America," states Garry Douglas, President of the North Country Chamber of Commerce. "People are hungry for new kinds of experiences, and new ways to see and enjoy spectacular areas like the Adirondacks. Hopefully everyone will come to the table to do all that we can to move this venture forward and then to develop all of the other possibilities waiting to unfold. Onward, upward and on track!"

Under the agreement, the parties will work together on the full development of a joint plan that can be submitted to the New York State Dept. of Transportation and form the basis of business discussions with Amtrak and other stakeholders. Iowa Pacific will bear the equipment and operating costs and risks, and will be open to partnering in the costs of capital improvements required on the rail line, to be defined as part of the full plan. According to Branson and Ellis, the full plan will also include outreach to several of the major hotels and resorts in Lake Placid to determine their interest in becoming partners in hosting future visitors.

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 Post subject: Re: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Servic
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:00 pm 

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In case anyone is not familiar with the railroads in upstate NY, the NY State Department of Transportation has a map of railroads in NY State posted on their website:

NYSDOT: Map of New York State Railroads

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 Post subject: Re: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Servic
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:59 pm 

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Thanks, Chris. This is exciting news. As always, Mr. Ellis is a few steps ahead.

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 Post subject: Re: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Servic
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:11 pm 

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Has the Adirondack line between Big Moose and Tupper Lake been rehabbed and opened to service?


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 Post subject: Re: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Servic
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:36 pm 

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makes me wish Pullman never went out of business. Good luck on the restorations,
seems theres an interest for these trains out there.


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 Post subject: Re: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Servic
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:24 pm 

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Has the Adirondack line between Big Moose and Tupper Lake been rehabbed and opened to service?


Not yet...rehab is only now being completed to Big Moose. The section between Tupper Lake and Saranac Lake also needs to be rehabbed. Tupper Lake rebuilt their station from the groound up several years ago in the hopes of the Lake Placid-Saranac Lake service could be pushed to Tupper but that hasn't happened yet either. The track condition is sufficient to move equipment to and from Lake Placid, which happens in the spring and the fall but that's about it. There is a very vocal rails-to-trails group that would like to see the tracks removed.

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 Post subject: Re: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Servic
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:33 am 

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Word going around is Iowa Pacific just picked up 3 more E units from Larrys Truck & Electric.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:08 am 

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Those would be the two ex-Susquehanna, exx-BN units #2400 & #2402 and ex-BN #9925. Here's a pic of #9925 from about 7 months ago.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2965547

She looks to be in pretty good condition externally.

And #2402 from last year... lots of rust. The two NYSW units have been out of service since 2005 or so and were rumored to be pretty tired mechanically by then.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2665509

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 Post subject: Re: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Servic
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:46 am 

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"Approximately 70 passenger cars" is a pretty impressive fleet!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:18 am 

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I have long felt that the Lake Placid destination holds a lot of potential for long distance rail tourism and this partnership might just prove to be whats been needed to get that critical middle section of track restored so as to allow through service from the mainline connection at Utica to Lake Placid.

Seems to me if anyone can get it done it's Ed Ellis and his team.

I wish them all possible success.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:17 pm 

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I hope they have their act together than they did with Ellis' attempt at reviving Colorado's Ski Train! What a debacle that was. Here's hoping for the best. The Adirondack wilderness is beautiful and deserves to be seen by all.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:38 pm 

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Here they should be all right since it's entirely their own show. Amtrak got mixed up in the Ski Train.

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 Post subject: Re: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Servic
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:54 pm 

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Last time I checked its Amtraks show south of Albany..

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 Post subject: Re: Iowa Pacific & Adirondack RR planning NYC Pullman Servic
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:59 pm 

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Bobharbison wrote:
"Approximately 70 passenger cars" is a pretty impressive fleet!

They would be wise to do as GLC has done with their fleet of 100 scoots... and make themselves pretty much THE go-to source for equipment of that class.

FEMA ought to have them on speed dial.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:41 pm 

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The problem, railfan261, was that they had purchased equipment and started selling tickets before they had dotted all of their "i's" and crossed all of their "t's". Only a fool for a businessman would have done that in today's business environment without an ironclad contract in hand. Anybody who thinks that they can do business with the UP and/or Amtrak on the basis of handshakes and verbal agreements sure doesn't seem to know the railroad industry very well. The question in my mind is whether Iowa Pacific has got its act together. IMHO, of course.

This is my last comment on this subject. This proposed operation is 2/3 of the way across the continent from me, and what I have to say will likely have little or no impact on outcomes.

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