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 Post subject: GTW 5629
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:35 am 

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An interesting photo recently came through on railpictures.net

It's a wonder this poor locomotive lasted until 1986. The roundhouse either fell down or was torn down around the old girl.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 76&nseq=82

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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:59 am 

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tomgears wrote:
An interesting photo recently came through on railpictures.net

It's a wonder this poor locomotive lasted until 1986. The roundhouse either fell down or was torn down around the old girl.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 76&nseq=82

Looks more like burned. The whole scene reminds me eerily of the East Brookfield Depot after the fire... However, it appears that within a year it was moved out to the old Rock Island yard with a number of ex-Rock Island freight cars and was reunited with the tender.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 056&nseq=1
On a final note, wasn't this one of Dick Jenson's engines at one point, or am I thinking of the wrong engine?

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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:40 am 

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From Steamlocomotive.com:

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Tragedy Strikes the 5629!
By the late 1970s Richard Jensen was in poor health as a result of an accident (he suffered a serious fall in a freak accident while helping a friend move a refrigerator to a third floor apartment), and was hospitalized for a long time. Tragedy struck again in the 1980s. In 1987 the 5629 was stored in Rock Islands Blue Island (IL) yard, south of Chicago. It was left with the tender full of coal for a steam trip that never occurred - the GTW cancelled the trip for non-payment of fees. Soon after, the CRI&P filed for abandonment. In the ensuing legal activity, the Blue Island Yard was sold to METRA, who decided to redesign the property to meet other needs. METRA asked Richard Jensen to move his locomotive, but was unwilling to assist him in pushing the locomotive 150 yards to the Iowa interstate. Metra also refused to allow an inspection of the locomotive which would allow Richard Jenson to have someone else move it. At one point, Metra was willing to allow IRM to move the unit out, but without title, since legally, it belonged to Mr. Jenson. The courts ruling was that Metra was indeed allowed the use of it's property, but Metra could not move it. Metra went back to court, asking relief, and got permission if it were not moved, to be scrapped. Metra continued negotiating with Mr. Jenson, (so did IRM) but to no avail. When the news of this predicament hit the Chicago newspapers, and several groups, including the Illinois Railway Museum, offered to move the locomotive free of charge, just to get it out of harms way. However, legally, no one could touch it. But an exasperated METRA did. METRA scrapped it where it stood, and all railfans could do was stand there and watch in disbelief. The photo (courtesy Jack Hackenbroch) shows the aftermath of the horrible scrapping at Blue Island, IL in July of 1987. Richard Jensen was very disgusted after 1988 due to the events he went throurgh. On March 16, 1991, Richard Jensen, at age 60, passed away.


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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
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If memory serves, this is the engine that the Southern tried to lease and turn into a PS-4 stand in for their steam program. Jensen told them to go pound sand and the rest, as they say, is history...

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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:02 pm 

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Two things are certain:

1. METRA had the 5629 scrapped.

2. The location where it sat has never been built upon as METRA claimed it was going to do.


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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:24 pm 

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Friends,

I was sharing a newly posted photo on an old topic because the photo was interesting. Please let's not rehash this whole topic. Please use the search feature to check on the previous threads about this locomotive. It's all been said before.

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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:29 pm 

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Jeff Lisowski wrote:
If that's not enough to make you pause for a minute and think, I don't know...

I remember the other idiocy about the whole thing was that the court determined it was legal for METRA to scrap the locomotive in place, but it was not legal to move the locomotive intact to a new location without the consent of the owner.

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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:34 pm 

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Does anyone know for certain what happened to the roundhouse? The current RP picture shows the roof gone. My guess is that it just collapsed - there was no evidence of fire.

Incidentally, I have to agree with what I read earlier from someone else's comment, maybe it was here on RPN: In retrospect, Dick Jensen did more to cause the demise of some great steam locomotives than to preserve them. 5629 is a good case in point, but the real tragedy is what happened to my favorite ~ 5632. The earlier comment on Southern wanting to use 5629 goes to show you how hard headed this guy was.


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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
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Les Beckman wrote:
The location where it sat has never been built upon as METRA claimed it was going to do.
I never knew that. I sickens me to know it now, though.

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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
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I knew Dick Jensen very slightly. The bottom line is that his legacy is a mixed bag. True that CB&Q 4-8-4 #5632 and GTW 4-6-2 #5629 "died" while he was their owner, but there are some locomotives around that he originally saved. These include:

1. CB&Q 2-8-2 #4963 (now at IRM in Union, IL)

2. Georgia Northern 4-6-0 #102 (at a museum in Minnesota)

3. Mississippi Eastern 4-6-0 #303 (now at Monticello Railway Museum)



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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:46 pm 

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You forgot another casualty: another Jensen locomotive, NKP 2-8-2 #965 (or was it 964?), also cut up in Chicago about the same time 5632 was rendered.

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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
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Yes 4963 was saved, but not by Mr. Jensen’s actions. The IRM stepped in to save it at the last minute by trading with the scrappers the five (5) GTW 0-8-0’s that came from Northwestern Steel & Wire. I guess if he had unlimited funds, we wouldn’t be talking about all this (so I shouldnt be so hard on him). The one advantage of being my age is that I had the opportunity to ride behind 5629 & 5632. I have also seen the 0-8-0’s in action several times at NS&W.

Is there someone out there who had the experience of going to NS&W to see and photograph the 0-8-0’s in action? I can tell you it was a real experience. If you came to town to photograph the engines without making arrangements, you will have Plant Security on your case within minutes. The first time this happened to me I thought I was going to jail, but they would merely stop you and politely direct you to go to their administration building in town and get permission to take pictures. I think it was Mr. Dillon himself who would give you permission to do so. I remember a few different times this older guy would interview and meet with us and give us the necessary permission and access to photograph the engines, even on plant property as I recall.

A good definition of Mr. Dillon, in my opinion, was that he was an “old school eccentric.” I was told that he was somewhat of a micro manager. The story was that If you worked for him and wanted to buy a part he would review all requisitions and tell you where you could find one in the plant if he was aware of one existing there. I got the feeling that Mr. Dillon actually liked people to come and ask permission to photograph his babies, the steam locomotives. Thank goodness for that.


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 Post subject: Re: GTW 5629
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:29 pm 

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whodom wrote:
I remember the other idiocy about the whole thing was that the court determined it was legal for METRA to scrap the locomotive in place, but it was not legal to move the locomotive intact to a new location without the consent of the owner.

Because of the nature of private ownership. An owner's rights are fairly absolute, including the right to be stupid (or visionary, which is often tough to distinguish.)

Nonprofits are another story. If a nonprofit's management was belligerent or nonresponsive, the court can look at their mission and bylaws and act in their best interests.


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