Surviving Tenders

Gary Gray · **Posted:** Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:39 pm

VMT only has the A-tank currently leased to Fort Wayne. While N&W 1118 is very much a back burner project for us with everything else going on, if anyone runs across a spare USRA 10,000 or 12,000 gallon tender, we'd appreciate further info about it...

buzz_morris · **Joined:** Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:32 pm **Posts:** 344

Somewhere someone needs to correct a list of CRI&P tenders.
See the last entry on this IRM Steam Blog post.
http://www2.irm.org/blogs/archives/1736 ... -2014.html

Steamguy73 · **Joined:** Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:15 pm **Posts:** 610

Even though this forum is near abandoned, I just wanted to mention CP 2816's aux tender, from a Delaware and Hudson 4-6-6-4 1609

joe6167 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:29 pm

Probably not surviving, but these tenders did survive for a little longer and thought they may be of interest. One from the CPR, the other from the MILW

John D · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:28 pm **Posts:** 479

More on the Old Dominion Chapter, NRHS (Richmond, VA)'s surviving Vanderbilt tender:
http://www.odcnrhs.org/equipment_roster ... rd_025.htm

Frisco1522 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:13 pm

It looks like an IC 2600 tender.

Les Beckman · **Joined:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:25 pm **Posts:** 6468

Frisco1522 wrote:

It looks like an IC 2600 tender.

What does?

I don't believe any tenders off of an IC 2600 still exist. Not sure which tender mentioned in this thread you are referring to.

Les

Les Beckman · **Joined:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:25 pm **Posts:** 6468

Gary Gray wrote:

Les, I'm sorry, but this is a "no-brainer". Both us and VMT have been focusing our collections regionally or locally over the past few years. We currently own 17 pieces of equipment. All but one (a Great Northern passenger car, and it is for sale) originally operated within a 100 mile radius of Roanoke. Even if any of us were interested, do you think our Board would approve spending the 15 to 20 grand necessary to move a non-authentic tender here? The chances are "slim and none". If we can find something that can be modified into a close replica of an N&W tender, that's a different story. By the way, 1151 is the only M2 with an authentic tender. The one behind 1134 in Portsmouth is an N&W 16,000 gallon tender. None of those were ever used behind M2's.

Gary -

I was going through this thread and found your reply from September of 2011 to a suggestion I made that perhaps N&W M2 #1118 might use a Great Northern Vanderbilt tender that was being offered for free at that time by MOT. Just wondered if the 1118 ever got her N&W tender?

Thanks.

Les

Mason G. McAllister · **Joined:** Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:03 pm **Posts:** 16

The Southern Pacific 982 tender is without its mate in Heber. The display where 982 sits is to small for both engine and tender so the options where to either. Scrap the tender, Cut it in half for it to fit, Or donate it to somewhere that needs it. The chose to donate it. It had many parts essential for an oil burner still on it. So with the HVRR converting to oil they thought this would be a good idea. The tender though is to big for any of the engines. As seen in the photo below. Also years of park display was not good to it. When I saw it it was rusted through in many parts.But the oil bunker was intact with heating elements and gauges. It also retained its emergency shut of valves. For some odd reason this oil tender had a emergence valve at where it went into the loco witch is where the only 1 should be but the 2nd one was where they loaded the oil on to the loco. There shouldn't of been one there. But the HVRR doesn't seem to mind as now they have valves for both of there steam engines now. The tank is going to be put inside the once coal bunker of 618 is what I hear. But no promises to that.

Photographer Credit goes to Parker Wilson a great guy who volunteers many hours at the HVRR.

joe6167 · **Posted:** Sat May 02, 2015 5:04 pm

Another one that held on a little longer...

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Sat May 02, 2015 9:42 pm

On Friday, August 7th, 2009, 11th Post on Page #1, p51 wrote:

I just read a 1976 article from Trains about the original auto train that showed what was ID'd to be an old GN 4-8-4 tender being used for a steam boiler car. I wonder whatever happened to that.

Not GN, but NP. Auto Train acquired 5 BN steam generators from J. Simon & Sons in 1973. 2 were nee-GN (1 of which was built as a steam car in 1928, the other was a former express boxcar) and 3 were nee-NP, rebuilt from Northern tenders. All 5 were renumbered from the #13x-series to the #113x-series in 1977. BN had sold these 5 steam generators to J. Simon & Sons in 1972.

The 2 nee-GN steam cars were:

#132, ex-BN #3, nee-GN #3 (StLCC, 1928).

#134, ex-BN #9, exx-GN #9, nee-express boxcar #2525 (GN, 1947, rebuilt 1951).

The 3 nee-NP steam cars were:

#130, ex-BN, exx-NP #H-1, nee-Class A Northern tender #unknown (Alco, 1926-27).

#131, ex-BN, exx-NP #H-2, nee-Class A Northern tender #unknown (Alco, 1926-27).

#133, ex-BN, exx-NP #H-4, nee-Class A Northern tender #unknown (Alco, 1938).

Theme Trains' Auto Train roster page does not list any disposition information for these 5 cars, at this point I'm thinking all 5 were scrapped following the auction. Does anyone have information regarding either the original NP numbers or the final dispositions of these 5 steam generators? Thanks in advance!

On Friday, August 7th, 2009, 11th Post on Page #1, p51 wrote:

I do know that 4449 runs with a old cab forward tender with rounded edges. Seen it plenty of times...

On Friday, July 12th, 2013, 9th Post on Page #8, BrassPhoenix wrote:

The 4449 uses an Auxiliary tender #4219, originally Built as a tender to Southern Pacific's AC-10 class 4-8-8-2 cab-forward steam locomotive #4219, it was later used to provide water for the rotary snow plows, and for fire-fighting service in the remote areas of the railroad.

http://www.4449.com/roster.html

pic from personal collection

DLMX #4219 was built in 1942 by Baldwin as the tender for Class AC-10 Cab Forward #4219, 1 of 40 such engines (#4205-#4244) in that Class, which were built between January and July 1942. After the #4219 was retired, its tender was reassigned to rotary snowplow #206 as SPMW #7206B, and later became water car SPMW #4764A. Water cars #4764A and #4764 were assigned to fire fighting service on the Natron Cutoff (Cascade Summit) and based in Eugene. SP donated both water cars, with the #4764A refurbished in time for the 1984 World's Fair Daylight. The #4764 was sold to the CP #2860 group; I don't know what tender the #4764 was converted from, or if it was used as a water car for the #2860.

Trainorders thread from January 2013: http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,2963816

Here's some additional photos of the #4219:

At Minneapolis, taken by John Hill on July 9th, 2009: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1675038

Picture I took back in February 2014, showing end detail: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3908750

On Friday, July 12th, 2013, 9th Post on Page #8, BrassPhoenix wrote:

The SP&S 700 uses an auxiliary tender from the Great Northern Railway's first S2 class Northern, the 2575. the Tender came pretty close to being scraped when Union Pacific tore down the Brooklyn Roundhouse in Portland, Ore. however the crew managed to put it back together before the deadline and shipped it out along with the other railroad equipment and turntable.

http://www.sps700.org/rollingstock/auxtender.shtml

pic from sp&s 700 website

Like the #4219, the #2575 was also converted for fire fighting service and based at Klamath Falls (later renumbered to BN #973165). Here's a photo I took in August 2013 of the #2575 from the northbound #11 Coast Starlight, showing application of the GN Goat Herald in progress:

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Sun May 03, 2015 12:09 am

Here's an older photo of the #2575 taken by Richard Glueck, as found on steamlocomotive.com. Dick, do you recall when you took this photo?

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/tenders/

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/tenders/gn-vand.jpg

Richard Glueck · **Posted:** Sun May 03, 2015 5:13 pm

Ted, I shot that during one of the National Science Teacher Conferences in St. Louis, during the late 90's or very early 2000's. Wish I could be more precise.

CO 2666 · **Posted:** Fri May 29, 2015 8:24 pm

Just stumbled across this today, C&O T-434 at the Durbin and Greenbrier Valley in West Virginia.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=3999833

/Andrew

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Fri May 29, 2015 9:40 pm

You know, looking again at the photos of PRPX #2575 and the GN tender in St. Louis, I'm now thinking these are not the same tenders. For example, on the #2575, the slope of the fuel segment comes close to meeting, or does meet, the vertical sheet extending up from the flank/top of the water segment. On the St. Louis tender, the slope meets the vertical sheet/partition just below the top of the water segment (the fuel segment on this tender is shorter in length than that on the #2575). Second, the water segment on the #2575 is much shorter than that on the St. Louis tender, on this mystery tender there are also 2 side steps leading up to a centered roof hatch. Lastly, the air reservoir on the St. Louis tender is smaller than that on the #2575.

So, that being the case, I wonder what the identity/history is of the St. Louis tender? Anyone know?

Thanks in advance!

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