> Greetings to Dan again:

> 1) So is there any possibility of the 4859
> being evicted from its present location
> under the Harrisburg trainshed? (The rumor
> mill seems to say "not if, but
> when"; but we know how accurate rumors
> are.)

This is a possibility; another is the possibility of being mounted on a separate piece of display track, still under the shed roof somewhere. If Harrisburg does get a light-rail system as the local transit agency is now in the early stages of promoting, then platform space will be at a premium.

> 2) Is there any possibility of the 4859
> being "stuffed and mounted" on a
> plinth next to Harris Tower? That would keep
> it in Harrisburg, and also right next to the
> Harrisburg NRHS's handsome project.

Don't know. NRHS Harrisburg Chapter owns the tower and the immediate ground surrounding it, but it's a small plot. Unless I'm mistaken, the land isn't big enough to park a G on even if a track would/could be laid.

> 3) what of the wooden caboose? Does the
> Commonwealth own that, too?

No, the chapter owns that. The G cost something less than $50,000 to restore cosmetically when all program costs were figured in. With that magnitude, public funding became desirable and necessary. That's where the state grant came in, and thus where state ownership came into the picture. The PRR N6B cabin car restoration project was mostly sweat equity, with about only $2,600 in direct cash outlay. Big difference.

Dan Cupper
Harrisburg, Pa.


cupper@att.net

> ... And two still(?) sitting in
> the weeds at Cooperstown, NY awaiting a
> "rebuild to operation" that may
> never come.

4909 (Amtrak 4932) has reportedly been sold to
the Henry Ford Museum for restoration and preservation. That's one out of the bullet's path. 4909 had been largely scraped and primed by a party that planned to take it to CT a couple years ago, but they suddenly disappeared without a trace.

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gg1@spikesys.com

> And insofar as 4876 being displayed in Washington Union, does anyone think for one
> nanosecond that a passenger railroad is going to prop up on display a reminder of a spectacular
> railroad WRECK--right at the spot it happened?

Ummmm, already has. About 5 years ago (I think-- I'm a bit fuzzy on the timeframe) one of the displays in the main hall was about the Federal Express wreck.


whitby@SPAMLESSerols.com

The GG1s are in Cooperstown Junction, not Cooperstown. Why did Amtrak re-number these engines?

Joshua

joshua@nospamjoshuakblay.com

Initially, Amtrak numbered all their locomotives below 1000 so they numbered the G's from 900 to 929. Some (e.g. 4892) were in the 4800's so it wasn't a simple "drop the lead 4" operation but a complete renumbering. They leased 10 more from PC which were renumbered 4930 to 4939 so as not to share the last 3 digits with the AmMotors. Later Amtrak bought the 10 PC motors which stayed numbered 4930-4939. BTW 4935 was not renumbered.

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PLENTY ROOM FOR THE GG1 complete TRAIN MAKEUPS
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Yes, I'm ready to scrap a GG-1. There are way too many of them around anyway. There's a website that lists about 20 GG-1 in existence. People should focus on something better like getting one of those big PRR steamers running at RRMPA. Wouldn't that be nice?

> People should focus on something
> better like getting one of those big PRR
> steamers running at RRMPA. Wouldn't that be
> nice?

Perhaps- but its not in their mission. Though I'd love to see #460 operating. There's hot engines right across the street anyways. Want to see PRR steam? Have to wait for the 0-4-0 and #1361 to be finished.

Josh

Want to see PRR steam? Have to wait
> for the 0-4-0 and #1361 to be finished.

> Josh

Are you refering to the Reading 0-4-0? It looks like PRR #94 is on permanent display at the museum.

mckay1995@comcast.net

> Want to see PRR steam? Have to wait

> Are you refering to the Reading 0-4-0? It
> looks like PRR #94 is on permanent display
> at the museum.
He's probably referring to the 643 wich is an
0-6-0 at Williams Grove.

jd

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RESTORED THE YARD TRACK REINSTALLED PLENTY OF ROOM
FOR THE GG1 AND COMPLETE TRAIN MAKEUPS FOR THE WORLDS LARGEST RAILROAD MUSEUM AMTRAK OWNED 19AC LEASED TO A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY STILL TIME TO THIS RAILROAD HISTORY



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