Ron -

I don't have a lot of Frisco 2-10-0 photos right at hand, but in checking Lloyd E. Stagner's book "Steam Locomotives of the Frisco Line", two Decapods are shown, numbers 1625 and 1632. Both of these had regular tenders (not cut down) and doghouses. Not sure if the engines kept the doghouses after Eagle-Picher cut down the tender sides or not. And if they WERE junked, I don't recall if IRM restored the doghouse when they rebuilt the 1630's tender.

Les

The tender does have the doghouse.

Bob Kutella

Bob -

I found a photo I took back in 1999 of sister Frisco 2-10-0 #1632 on display at the Belton, Grandview & Kansas City Railroad, a tourist line in Belton, Missouri. This is the same locomotive that appeared in photos in Lloyd Stagner's book on Frisco steam mentioned earlier. When in service on the Frisco, the tender of 1632 had a doghouse. As 1632 appeared in Belton modified with the "clear vision" tender, the doghouse had been removed. My guess is that Eagle-Picher removed the doghouses on their five ex-Frisco Decapods when the tenders were modified and since 1630 has its doghouse back, it was replicated by Illinois Railway Museum during the tender restoration.

You can confim this Ron, when you see the Frisco 2-10-0 the next time you are at MoT.

Les

I looked at the Russian Decapod at MOT today and it does have the "clear vision" type tender with no doghouse. Its fireman's side is lettered for Eagle Picher, although this side is away from the public view. I guess we should take the "Frisco" lettering off the cab on the other side and add the Eagle Picher marking to the tender there when we have a chance. The sign for it mentions both owners, although this loco was also on the Southern, MKT, and another line before the Frisco.

Ron -

The other railroad was the Fort Smith, Subiaco & Rock Island Railroad where she carried the number 101. The Frisco acquired #1621 in some type of a trade in 1925 to replace the FIRST Russian Decapod numbered 1621 which had been wrecked in 1920. Curious that the Frisco would make a special effort to get one of these engines just to fill out their roster. Must be a story behind that.

Les

Folks,

in this string of posts, I have not seen the significance.

Which paint colors were the ones worn during the cars period of most significance?

You should match it up with your mission statement or museum plan.

Painting two sides of a car is getting more and more common these days; but idon't like it because it is creating something that never existed in the history of the car, ship or what ever.

Ted Miles

Well, if the least favored livery is painted on the inside of the tender tank, no problem Ted. You'd have to be REALLY looking to see it. Perhaps better than left and right is inside and outside?

I kind of agree with Ted. It seems sort of silly to me, and slightly shady in a two-faced way. Let something unabashedly be itself or an unapologetic replica of something else, no half measures, please. Sort of like adding an Andy Warhol mural to one wall of the Cistene Chapel.

Commitment!

dave

I have to agree with Ted and Dave on this one. This has been suggested for equipment at our museum and I don't like it. Fortunately, nothing of that genre has yet occurred and hopefully it won't be. BUT, I have no problem with changing the appearance of something IF it remains true to what it represents. For instance, there was another recent thread talking about Pere Marquette 2-8-4's. I would have no problem if PM 1225 was temporarily lettered as Chesapeake & Ohio 2657, a number she would have worn if the 2-8-4's hadn't been withdrawn from service. Another example; Little River Railroad 4-6-2 # 110 has three different headlights which it wears at different times giving visitors a bit of a different look. But lettering any piece of equipment different ways on each side, kind of goes against historical integrity.

Les

Well, for those interested, I did just find out a little bit more about this trade. The FIRST Russian Decapod numbered 1621 was apparently destroyed in some type of a "dynamite blast." And the engine that the Frisco traded to the FtSS&RI for their 2-10-0 was Ten-Wheeler number 614 which had been built by Baldwin in 1903.

Les