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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Railway
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:31 pm 

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Activity on this board seems slower than in the past . We
could use some pix just to keep our spirits up. This is
a loco that we see fewer of everyday so it is appropriate to
post the pix.
Remember a lot of piss and moaning and cheap shots led to
the loss of one of Our Leaders posting, something a lot of
us miss.
But no need to get too testy with JB. Not good if either of
you leave.


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Railway
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:38 pm 

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I'm not 100% sure, but did you check right above where the front drawbar goes into the locomotive? (basically behind where the chain connects the cut lever to the pin)

scottychaos wrote:
Do U-boats have a GE builders number stamped on them anywhere *besides* the builders plate?

I ask because no one is certain on the exact heritage of the two Lehigh Railway units..

We know one was Conrail 2794 and the other was Conrail 2796, but we arent sure which is which! ;)

and it seems the builders plates have been stolen on both..If anyone has the chance to inspect one of these units up close to look for a number, I would appreciate it! here is what is known about them so far:

http://gold.mylargescale.com/scottychaos/owego/

check page 6 for the Lehigh Railway.

thanks,
Scot


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Railway
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:45 pm 

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nyc4030 wrote:
Activity on this board seems slower than in the past . We could use some pix just to keep our spirits up. This is a loco that we see fewer of everyday so it is appropriate to post the pix.
Remember a lot of piss and moaning and cheap shots led to the loss of one of Our Leaders posting, something a lot of us miss.
But no need to get too testy with JB. Not good if either of you leave.


I believe--and as administrator of one Yahoo Group and webmaster of a rail website, I have some experience with this--that what the original reactionary post was, in effect, worried about is the propensity for some people online to use membership in a group/forum as an assumed license to post willy-nilly, in a "shotgun scatter" approach, any AND EVERY photo and/or video they ever took, no matter how tenuous the actual connection to the group/forum's subject matter may be. And, I speak from experience, once the offenders are "called" on it, the results are sometimes ugly with much name-calling and figurative foot-stomping.

The sad part is that few of these folks who post direct video/photos as e-mails to the Yahoo Groups haven't figured out that a great many members get "Daily Digests" that strip away any attachments, and all we see is the "Look at this terific clip from 1975! Joe Bloh", and they'd be better off just posting a link to an alternate hosting service.

It was pointed out that the LR U23B is technically not preserved. That's entirely true, but given the number of discreet and not-so-discreet diesel preservationists in that region, it wouldn't surprise me if, many years from now, that loco gets offered to the likes of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania.


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Railway
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:32 pm 

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Nail hit on head ADM.

The last thong this board needs is photos of every old growler. That's what RailPics and the like are for. If this unit ends up available to a musuem or private preservationist then bring it up here.

Or if one is so inclined to write about U23B's how about updating us on the active preservation efforts around 2 ex LV units? Now that is RYPN fodder and they are both happening near the old bucket o'bolts that started this thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Railway
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:22 pm 

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So we should sit and wait until the scrappers drop off their roll-offs and fire up their torches before we pay attention to the "old growlers"?

To me, there is more history being preserved by a "bucket of bolts" actually doing work and burning fuel, then some way too clean locomotive sitting in some non-descript building collecting dust and cobwebs. This is machinery, people - not fine art. If we cannot take the time to recognize the last revenue gasps of some of this equipment, performing its intended role, then I dare say we do not deserve the title of presrvationists. By the time these engines are sitting in the weeds behind some shop, awaiting to be cut and baled, it is too late. Sure we can preserve that hunk of metal, but that's all we are preserving: unprocessed scrap. I just can't understand the complete uncaring attitude of this locomotive. While the owner of this equipment may not have a deaccessioning policy, it is not like any equipment in any other museum is 100% safe, either.

We lament how we missed the last of this or the last of that, or long for seeing a New York Central Hudson screaming down the water level route. Well this IS that Hudson screaming down the water level route. This may be that GE's last assignment where it turns a wheel in its designated service. It may not be the most common definition for preservation, but it is preserving the inent of its builders and designers.

Just my opinion.
(from someone that is too young to have seen Uboats in mainline service, but has seen the end of the -7s and is now watching the -8s being put to bed)


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Railway
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:23 pm 

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Another consideration in this. This is the same path most steam locomotives took to being saved. Retired by the class one, put in storage, found by an operation that needed power and could only afford an "older undesireable" locmotive and put it back to work.
In these cases you often time find out the new owners if nothing else,understands or even likes the historical connection. (seams to be the case here).A case such as this greatly adds to the chances it will some day end up in a museum. If it went to scrap it would would never get to be preserved.(stuffed and mounted)
Not to many groups have the money(long term support), space or interest (untill it's to late)to save the units such as these. They are still operating so they are preserved in as close to the orginal context (as possible) they were built for.
One thing all "stuffed and mounted" steam and diesel locmotives have in common..they all SOUND the same. A Big Boy sounds just like a GP-9. no noise, you miss a large part of the experiance!
I see Ed's posting on many other sites and think he does limit his posts here to things relavent.Most of us could have only dreamed of doing some of the things he's done (and photographed) and I for one welcome it when he posts here.


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Railway
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:26 pm 

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Forgot one thing, this is a case of preservation in progress!


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Railway
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:45 pm 

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It wasn't my intent to stir up this contrversary over a local operation here in NE. PA. However, It was my intent to show an old dinosaur still up and running. I've witnessed this in Steam days, NKP. 759 in fan trip service. First generation diesel BR&W GP-9 752 still working for a living, and now the second generation. I can't understand why anyone here has an issue with this kind of post. No one will ever convince me this is not preservation!

Ed K. cp Laurel Run


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Railway
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:25 pm 

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I was certain that I had posted a reply but its gone now. But since my point had been made by a couple others its no big deal.


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