What Happened to the All Daylight Consist?

HRMO'Biph · **Posted:** Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:13 am

Hey, Dennis, what happened to the private car collection that had some of the articulated cars? It was somewhere in east Texas, and I can remember a texas highways article about it.

lorija799@aol.com

Dennis Hogan · **Posted:** Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:20 am

That's Flint Ranch, just south of Tyler, TX. All those cars and cabooses are still there. I believe the articulated ones are "Shasta Daylight" cars, though.

> Hey, Dennis, what happened to the private
> car collection that had some of the
> articulated cars? It was somewhere in east
> Texas, and I can remember a texas highways
> article about it.

denmeg_hogan@msn.com

Hume Kading · **Posted:** Tue Mar 19, 2002 12:09 pm

> At one time, both Algoma Central and
> California Western had passenger cars from
> the 1937-era SP "Daylight" and
> T&NO "Sunbeam." You'd have to
> research the cars further to determine
> which.

What are the cars parked outside of Tyler, Dennis?

hkading@rypn.org

Dennis Hogan · **Posted:** Tue Mar 19, 2002 12:36 pm

It's been about 6 years since YOU and I were both there as a prelude sidetrip to Texas State RR debuting the No. 300, Hume. Anyway...
Flint Ranch is really Whistle Stop Ranch in Flint, TX. As I recall, a retired Cotton Belt employee there has collected some cabooses, a Southern Ry. or Central of Georgia business car, that articulated SP "Shasta Daylight" lounge-whatever car set, and some wrecked Amtrak cars. I believe the articulated car set came from the Judge Hofheinz passenger car collection in Houston. Anyone have a roster of what the old Judge amassed? I recall seeing part of that huge collection at the Houston SP depot in the early 1970's.

> What are the cars parked outside of Tyler,
> Dennis?

denmeg_hogan@msn.com

Ted Miles · **Posted:** Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:29 pm

Guys,

The Golden Gate Railroad Museum, here in San Francisco, has an SP articulated coach in their collection. I don't know if it is a Daylight car or not. It was last used in MOW service by Amtrak. So the outside at least looks pretty bad.The interior may be better.
TM

ted_miles@NPS.gov

Smokebox · **Posted:** Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:48 pm

Are any of the remaining articulated cars a three unit set?

Doyles car was totaled on the Algoma, it was a two unit set.

Smokebox

John Linda · **Posted:** Tue Mar 19, 2002 5:02 pm

> Are any of the remaining articulated cars a
> three unit set?

> Doyles car was totaled on the Algoma, it was
> a two unit set.

> Smokebox

The car at the Whistle Stop ranch is a 3 unit set. The owner I have been told also owned another articulated car set which sat by the old Bordon milk plant in Tyler in the early 70's. He supposedly sold them to Lone Star Steel for an employee park, but I have heard they were scrapped.
John Linda
Waco

jcbml@texasinternet.com

Earl Knoob · **Posted:** Tue Mar 19, 2002 5:37 pm

> Are any of the remaining articulated cars a
> three unit set?

> Doyles car was totaled on the Algoma, it was
> a two unit set.

> Smokebox

There was a 3 unit articulated set on the Sierra years ago, but it was stored there and never used. All the 3 unit sets I know of were Coffee Shop/Diner/Lounge cars used on the Daylights and the Larks. There were no 3 unit coaches I've ever seen. But, I'm no Espee passenger man..

earlk489@hotmail.com

Brian Norden · **Posted:** Wed Mar 20, 2002 12:52 am

The triple-units were all meal service cars. For the Daylights the units were diner-kitchen-coffee shop. For the overnight trains (Lark and Cascade) the units were dorm/kitchen-diner-lounge.

On the SP coffee shop cars served a more moderate fare and had a higher density seating. I believe that I read that as service when down (and before they took off the triple units) the service levels were also changed to reduce costs.

On the Lark the dormitory area was later removed and replaced with a coffee shop for the coach passengers that had been added to the train.

The unit that was on the Sierra was one of the Cascade cars.

One of the Daylight triple units was reconfigured into a two unit coach. The kitchen unit was removed and the two table units were converted into coaches. A couple of problems were that there were no vestibules and maybe no restrooms. As such the car could only be used along with other cars. But it had a capacity of 68 per unit!

If I've got any of this wrong it is because I haven't gone to the source books, but am only working from memory.

Brian Norden

ARM Western Regional meeting information
bnorden49@earthlink.net

R. Ruiz · **Posted:** Wed Mar 20, 2002 2:57 pm

The Golden Gate Railroad Museum has an articulated coach built in 1941 for the Coast Daylight, and a 1949 triple-unit diner from the Cascade. They also list a 1939 combine (#3302) that I would guess is also an original Daylight car. Another coach (#293, nee #2386) was built in 1954 for the Coast Daylight. I believe this coach was mentioned earlier in this thread. The SP kept this car in their business fleet into the 90s.

GGRM Roster

randy@jonespartners.com

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:29 am

Updating another old thread.

Last year over on Railroad Picture Archives I found a photo taken by Michael Palmieri at NOUPT of Amtak's Crescent and the World's Fair Daylight: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1931904. The photographer lists the consist of the Daylight in the caption:

Michael Palmieri wrote:

Across the platform on track 6 is the WORLD'S FAIR DAYLIGHT, which would depart for Oregon the next morning. The DAYLIGHT had GS-4 4-8-4 4449, water car PNWC 4219, combine PNWC 3300 MILN D. GILESPIE, sleeper-lounge PNWC 600 MT. HOOD, coaches SW 542 SONOMA, SW 544 MENDOCINO, SW 546 HUMBOLDT, SW 507 SHASTA, SW 511 STANISLAUS, PAR 2397, SW 500 SAN JOAQUIN, SW 518 TUOLUMNE, and GW 598 RED RIVER, diner SW 156 LAKE PEPIN and observation-lounge GS 1290 APPEKUNNY MOUNTAIN. (GW was Great Western Tours, GS was Grant Supply, PAR was Pacific Railroad Society, PNWC was Pacific Northwest Chapter-NRHS, and SW was Sierra Western.)

The DAYLIGHT had arrived in New Orleans the previous Saturday, and SP 4449 had spent the week parked outside the Fair site. UP 4-8-4 8444 was on display inside the Fair, so for a week there were two big Northern's at the Fair.

Roster of the World's Fair Daylight:

Water Car DLMX #4219 was modified from the tender of SP AC-10 4-8-8-2 Cab Forward #4219 by Daylight Locomotive & Machine Works, the group that maintains and operates the #4449 for the City of Portland. It is still on the DLMX active roster for use with the #4449 and is Amtrak certified.

Crew Car PNWC #3300 "Miln D. Gillespie" was originally built for the SP Daylight in 1937 by P-S in Lot #6500 to Plan #7375 as 44 seat baggage coach #3300. To the Pacific Northwest Chapter as PNWC #3300 "Miln D. Gillespie". It was heavily damaged while being switched by the SP in Portland in 1990. Has been out-of-service since.

Buffet Lounge Sleeper PNWC #600 "Mount Hood" was built for the Mid-Century Empire Builder in 1950 by P-S in Lot #6829 to Plan #4163 with 22 seats in the lounge, 6 roomettes, and 3 double bedrooms. Owned by the SP&S as #600 for the Portland section of the Builder. Along with the other SP&S-owned cars, the #600 was repainted from EB colors to SP&S green & yellow in 1955. To BN #1205 (I don't know if the number was applied). Retired in 1971. Donated by BN to the Pacific Northwest Chapter in 1972 in original condition as PNWC #600. Amtrak certification #800198. Currently painted in EB colors with "Empire Builder" in the letterboard and "S. P. & S. RY. CO." at the ends of the letterboard.

Daylight Coach SW #542 "Sonoma" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2355. To Amtrak #4842. Retired 10/1981. To Sierra Western Railroad Company as SW #542 "Sonoma" for use on Eureka Southern-North Coast Daylight excursions on the Northwestern Pacific. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Scotia, CA (at the Pacific Lumber Company?).

Daylight Coach SW #544 "Mendocino" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2358. To Amtrak #4844. Sold 9/1983 to Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #544 "Mendocino" for use on Eur. Sou.-North Coast Daylight excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Scotia, CA (at the Pacific Lumber Co?).

Daylight Coach SW #546 "Humboldt" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2361. To Amtrak #4846. Sold 9/1983 to Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #546 "Humboldt" for use on Eur. Sou.-North Coast Daylight excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Scotia, CA (at the Pacific Lumber Co?).

Daylight Coach SW #507 "Shasta" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571 as 48 seat coach #2387. To Amtrak #7507 in 1973. Retired 11/1977. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #507 "Shasta" for use on Eur. Sou.-North Coast Daylight excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Willits, CA.

Daylight Coach SW #511 "Stanislaus" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571A as a 48 seat coach. Confusion over the Amtrak #75xx-series number.* To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #511 "Stanislaus" for use on Eur. Sou.-North Coast Daylight excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Willits, CA.

Daylight Coach PAR #2397 "Shasta Springs" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571A as 48 seat coach #2397. To Amtrak #7512 in 1973. Retired 11/1977. To William Gawzner-Miramar Hotel in Santa Barbara. To Pacific Railroad Society as PAR #2397 "Shasta Springs" with Amtrak certification #800229. Currently located at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA.

Daylight Coach SW #500 "San Joaquin" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7575 as "Timberline" coffee shop tavern lounge #10317. Rebuilt to 86 seat coach #2241 in 1963. To Amtrak #7500 in 1973. Retired 1976. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #500 "San Joaquin" for use on Eur. Sou.-North Coast Daylight excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Willits, CA.

Daylight Coach SW #510 "Tuolumne" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571A as 48 seat coach #2395. To Amtrak #7510 in 1973. Retired 1976. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #510 "Tuolumne" for use on Eur. Sou.-North Coast Daylight excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Healdsburg, CA.

Coach GW #568 "Red River" was built for the GN Red River in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3125 as 21 seat diner 20 seat lounge observation #1147 "Red River". Rebuilt to 68 seat coach #1147 in 1962. To BN #6800 (number was applied). To Amtrak #6800. Retired 11/1977. To private ownership (in 1978?). To Great Western Tours as GW #568. To the Pacific Northwest Chapter as PNWC #6800. Currently in Daylight paint.

Diner SW #156 "Lake Pepin" was built for the SLSF-MKT Texas Special in 1947 by P-S in Lot #6768 to Plan #7540 as SLSF 36 seat diner #650 "Alexander Doniphan". Sold to the GN in 1966 as renumbered/renamed to #1156 "Lake Pepin". To BN. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #156 "Lake Pepin" for use on Eur. Sou.-North Coast Daylight excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Asti, CA, alongside SW #151 (ex-GN Ranch Car #1242 "Hidden Lake"). The SW #156 "Lake Pepin" was acquired by Jon Clark. The SW #151 was acquired by Matt Munson.

Buffet Lounge Observation GS #1290 "Appekunny Mountain" was built for the Mid-Century Empire Builder in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3447 as GN #1290 "Appekunny Mountain" with 36 buffet lounge seats and 3 crew roomettes. To BN #1290, renumbered to #1200. To Grant Supply Company as GS #1290 "Appekunny Mountain" with Amtrak registration #800005. To the Arizona & California Railroad for use on the California Northern as CFNR #100.

Pictures of the Roster of the World's Fair Daylight:

1. The World's Fair Daylight at Ansel, CA: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1928715 (Mike Woodruff photo)

2. DLMX #4219 at Michigan City, IN: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1688836 (Jonathon Leese photo)

3. PNWC #600 "Mount Hood" at Portland, OR: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2673721 (Mark Herren photo)

4. SW #542 "Sonoma" at Willits, CA: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1109887 (John Hill photo)

5. SW #507 "Shasta" at Eureka, CA: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1109930 (John Hill photo)

6. SW #511 "Stanislaus" in storage at Willits, CA: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=455083 (Michael Hawkins photo)

7. PAR #2397 "Shasta Springs" at OERM in Perris, CA: http://www.oerm.org/sites/default/files/collection/PRS%20Daylight%20car%2002%2024%2006%20sm.JPG (OERM photo)

8. SW #500 "San Joaquin" in storage at Willits, CA: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=455081 (Michael Hawkins photo)

9. GW #568 "Red River" as PNWC #6800 at Portland, OR: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=593721 (Robert Ulberg photo)

10. SW #156 "Lake Pepin" in storage at Asti, CA: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3074693 (Joseph Cliscagne photo)

11. GS #1290 "Appekunny Mountain" at Lafayette, LA: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1950388 (Michael Palmieri photo)

SP to Amtrak Numbering Discrepancies:

*Different sources give different roster details for the 1949 Shasta Daylight coaches that Amtrak purchased in 1973 and numbered in the #75xx-series. For reference, Plan #7571 coaches had the vestibule at the non-restroom end, Plan #7571A coaches had the vestibule at the restroom end, and Plan #7570 coaches had 38 seats and a crew locker.

"Amtrak by the Numbers" gives this listing:
SP #2382 (#7571) to Amtrak #7503. Retired 3/1976.
SP #2383 (#7571) to Amtrak #7504. Retired 11/1977.
SP #2384 (#7571A) to Amtrak #7505. Retired 11/1977.
SP #2385 (#7570) to Amtrak #7506. Retired 1976.
SP #2387 (#7571) to Amtrak #7507. Retired 11/1977. SW #507 "Shasta"
SP #2389 (#7571A) to Amtrak #7508. Retired 5/1975.
SP #2392 (#7571) to Amtrak #7509. Retired 11/1977.
SP #2395 (#7571A) to Amtrak #7510. Retired 1976. SW #510 "Tuolumne"
SP #2397 (#7571A) to Amtrak #7511. Retired 11/1977. PAR #2397 "Shasta Springs"

Another source gives this listing:
SP #2382 to Amtrak #7503.
SP #2383 to Amtrak #7504.
No listing for Amtrak #7505.
SP #2384 to Amtrak #7506.
SP #2385 to Amtrak #7507. SW #507 "Shasta"
SP #2387 to Amtrak #7508.
SP #2389 to Amtrak #7509.
SP #2392 to Amtrak #7510. SW #510 "Tuolumne"
SP #2395 to Amtrak #7511. SW #511 "Stanislaus"??
SP #2397 to Amtrak #7512. PAR #2397 "Shasta Springs"

Can anyone clarify the discrepancy? Note: "Amtrak by the Numbers" lists SP coach #2401 "Golden Flake" as being Amtrak #7512.

Sources:

1. Amtrak retirement dates from "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon. Ordering info here: http://on-track-on-line.com/pdfs/orderform-otol.pdf

2. Information on the Mid-Century Empire Builder from GNRHS Reference Sheet #227 at: http://www.gnrhs.org/ref_sheet_227.htm

3. Information on the rolling stock owned by DLMX at: http://www.4449.com/roster.html

4. Information on the rolling stock owned by PNWC at: http://www.pnwc-nrhs.org/stock.html

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:32 am

Dave W wrote:

GGRM also has their own Daylight-painted coach #293, but I'm not sure if that car was used on either of the above trains.

Brian Norden wrote:

The 293 at the Golden Gate Railroad Museum was originally SP #2386. When the SP reassigned it to company (non-revenue) service it was given #293. This car was built in 1954.

Ted Miles wrote:

The Golden Gate Railroad Museum, here in San Francisco, has an SP articulated coach in their collection.

Randolph R. Ruiz wrote:

The Golden Gate Railroad Museum has an articulated coach built in 1941 for the Coast Daylight, and a 1949 triple-unit diner from the Cascade. They also list a 1939 combine (#3302) that I would guess is also an original Daylight car. Another coach (#293, nee #2386) was built in 1954 for the Coast Daylight. I believe this coach was mentioned earlier in this thread. The SP kept this car in their business fleet into the 90s.

Daylight Coach SP #293 was built for the Coast Daylight in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2356 in Class 83-C-5. Retained by the SP in 1971 for executive service and renumbered #293. Amtrak registration #800493. To UP via merger in 1996. Sold to Golden Gate Railroad Museum in 2001 as GGRX #293.

Articulated Coach SP #2473-#2474 was built for the Coast Daylight in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6638 to Plans #7424A-#7423A as 46 seat coaches in Classes 66-ACM-2 & 66-ACW-2. Sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1974 as AC #458-#459. Retired in 1988 and sold to Bytown Railway Society in Ottawa. To Golden Gate Railroad Museum in 1996 as GGRX #2473-#2474.

Articulated Triple Diner SP #10280-#10281-#10282 was built for the Cascade in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6816 to Plans #7576 (Kitchen-Dorm)-#7577 (Diner)-#7578 (Tavern Lounge). To Golden Gate Railroad Museum as GGRX #10280-#10281-#10282.

Baggage Coach SP #3302 was built for the Daylight in 1939 by P-S in Lot #6588 to Plan #7415 with 44 seats in Class 79-CB-1. To Golden Gate Railroad Museum as GGRX #3302.

C.Wylde wrote:

I'm not sure if it was part of the trains you refer to but the Amber Trail is in Daylight colors and in the Bay Area. It was part of a train pulled by SP4449.

Coach "Amber Trail" was built for the UP in 1950 by P-S in Lot #6844 to Plan #7617 as 44 seat leg rest coach #5430. Sold to PC in 1969 as #3003. To Amtrak in 1971 as #4403. Retired 1979. Sold in 1981 to private owner as #5430 "Bear Creek Pass". Amtrak registration #800359. Later resold to Bill & Debbie Hatrick as "Amber Trail". The Hatricks also own lounge "Overland Trail" built as SP club lounge #2981 by P-S in 1949 (Lot #6806, Plan #7580, Class 83-L-1).

Dennis Hogan wrote:

At one time, both Algoma Central and California Western had passenger cars from the 1937-era SP "Daylight" and T&NO "Sunbeam."

Earl Knoob wrote:

The California Western had a pair of articulated coaches (as in 2 sets). One fluted sided the other not. One set went to the San Pedro Southwestern in Benson, AZ. Don't know what happend to the pass equipment when the SPSW stopped running passenger trains.

Brian Norden wrote:

I believe that the San Pedro Southwestern had two articulated sets.

Articulated Coach SP #2445-#2446 was built in 1939 by P-S in Lot #6594 to Plans #7423-#7424 as 46 seat coaches in Classes 66-ACM-1 & 66-ACW-1. To California Western Railroad as CWR #2445-#2446. To San Pedro & Southwestern Railway as SWKR #2445-#2446.

Articulated Coach SP #2467-#2468 was built in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6638 to Plans #7424A-#7423A as 46 seat coaches in Classes 66-ACM-2 & 66-ACW-2. To Amtrak in 1973 as #7530-#7531. Retired 11/1977. Sold to California Western Railroad as CWR #2467-#2468. To San Pedro & Southwestern Railway as SWKR #2467-#2468. To Pacific Railroad Society as PAR #2467-#2468. Currently at Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA.

Articulated Coach T&NO #500-#501 was built for the Sunbeam in 1937 by P-S in Lot #6515 to Plan #7377 as 50 seat coaches in Classes 64-ACW-2 & 64-ACM-2. Transferred to SP in 1954 as #2496-#2497. Sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1974 as AC #450-#451.

Articulated Coach T&NO #504-#505 was built for the Sunbeam in 1937 by P-S in Lot #6515 to Plan #7377 as 50 seat coaches in Classes 64-ACW-2 & 64-ACM-2. Transferred to SP in 1955 as #2453-#2454. Sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1974 as AC #455-#454. To MofW service as bunk car #10635-auxiliary kitchen-diner #10634.

Articulated Coach SP #2471-#2472 was built for the Coast Daylight in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6638 to Plans #7424A-#7423A as 46 seat coaches in Classes 66-ACM-2 & 66-ACW-2. Sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1974 as AC #460-#461. To MofW service as diner lounge #10672-kitchen-staff car #10673.

Articulated Coach SP #2477-#2478 was built for the Coast Daylight in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6638 to Plans #7424A-#7423A as 46 seat coaches in Classes 66-ACM-2 & 66-ACW-2. Sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1974 as AC #462-#463. To MofW service as auxiliary bunk car #10014-supervisor bunk car #10015.

Smokebox wrote:

Doyle used to own an articulated set, but it was totaled while on lease.

Michael Seitz wrote:

If I am thinking of the same set of articulated SP coaches then the Doyle car is still around. I recall seeing a photo of SP equipment operating on the Central Montana Railroad in the mid 90's. This may have been his car. At about the same time, a SP articulated coach popped up at the Montana Rail Link Laurel (Montana) yard with major draft gear damage (reportedly they kicked the car but couldn't access the handbrake after the car was in motion). The car is now in Missoula, the interior stripped, pending use in the MRL business car fleet. Since there are not too many SP articulated cars out there, I would surmise it was Doyle McCormick's but I don't have my notes handy to confirm this.

Articulated Coach T&NO #502-#503 was built for the Sunbeam in 1937 by P-S in Lot #6515 to Plan #7377 as 50 seat coaches in Classes 64-ACW-2 & 64-ACM-2. Transferred to SP in 1954 as #2498-#2499. Sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1974 as AC #452-#453. To Doyle McCormack as DLMX #2498A-#2498B. Damaged during switching move. To Montana Rail Link as MRL #102A-#102B and used in executive service. Recently (2013) refurbished in the Vancouver, BC, area and returned to Montana via Seattle. Video of the move along Puget Sound here (the #102A-B is in between the 2 ex-GN Budd dome coaches): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Pt1VsrvlM (Andrew Temoshek video)

Dennis Hogan wrote:

Flint Ranch is really Whistle Stop Ranch in Flint, TX. As I recall, a retired Cotton Belt employee there has collected some cabooses, a Southern Ry. or Central of Georgia business car, that articulated SP "Shasta Daylight" lounge-whatever car set, and some wrecked Amtrak cars. I believe the articulated car set came from the Judge Hofheinz passenger car collection in Houston.

John Linda wrote:

The car at the Whistle Stop ranch is a 3 unit set. The owner I have been told also owned another articulated car set which sat by the old Bordon milk plant in Tyler in the early 70's. He supposedly sold them to Lone Star Steel for an employee park, but I have heard they were scrapped.

B.B. Garrett's Whistle Stop Ranch in Flint, TX, included the following cars:

Business Car SOU #18 was built for Georgia Pacific in 1875! by the New Haven Car Company. Listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar.

Daylight Coach SP #2352 was built for the Coast Daylight in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as a 48 seat coach in Class 83-C-5. To Amtrak #4840. Retired 1976. Sold to B.B. Garrett.

Coach SP #2375 was built for the Sunset Limited in 1954 by Budd in Lot #9613-140 as a 44 seat leg rest coach in Class 83-C-4. To Amtrak #4438. Retired 1976.* Sold to B.B. Garrett.

*Of the sixteen 1954 Budd-built coaches for the Sunset Limited sold to Amtrak, only #2367 & #2375 were not converted to HEP.

Economy Baggage SP #6701 was built by Pacific Car & Foundry (PACCAR) in 1962 in Class 66-B-2. To MofW service as #MW6029. To B.B. Garrett.

10RM-6DB Sleeper SP #9008 was built for the Sunset Limited in 1950 by Budd in Lot #9660-040 to Plan #9522. Equipped with HSCE D-22-BR Budd disc brakes and riding on 41-ND-11 trucks (later changed to 11-NP-11). To Amtrak #2687. Retired 1976. Sold to B.B. Garrett.

10RM-6DB Sleeper SP #9010 was built for the Sunset Limited in 1950 by Budd in Lot #9660-040 to Plan #9522. Equipped with HSCE D-22-BR Budd disc brakes and riding on 41-ND-11 trucks. To Amtrak #2688. Retired 9/1975. Sold to B.B. Garrett.

Articulated Triple Diner SP #10262-#10263-#10264 was built for the Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6806 to Plans #7574 (Coffee Shop)-#7573 (Kitchen)-#7572 (Diner). Sold in 1968 to Judge Roy Hofheinz for the ASTRODOMAIN development project in Houston. Stored at Houston Union Station (still in Daylight paint). Sold to B.B. Garrett. Stored at Borden Dairy Company in Tyler, TX. Sold to Lone Star Steel for use as an employee lounge at their facility in Dangerfield, TX. The employee lounge idea was canceled and the triple unit set was scrapped.

Articulated Triple Diner SP #10277-#10278-#10279 was built for the Lark in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6638 to Plans #7454 (Kitchen-Dorm)-#7453 (Diner)-#7452 (Tavern Lounge). Sold in 1968 to Judge Roy Hofheinz for the ASTRODOMAIN development project in Houston. Sold to B.B. Garrett. Listed on Ozark Mountain Railcar. Sold to Grapevine Vintage Railroad as FWWR #10277-78-79.

Coffee Shop-Tavern Lounge SP #10408 was built for the Sunset Limited in 1950 by Budd in Lot #9609-040 in Class 83-DL-2. To Amtrak #8321. Wrecked in 1976 and retired. Sold to B.B. Garrett. Listed on Ozark Mountain Railcar.

Smokebox wrote:

NRM owns two original Daylight cars. One of them is the last remaining SP roundend observation car.

The Northwest Rail Museum in Portland, OR (not the museum in Snoqualmie, WA, that's the Northwest Railway Museum) was founded by Ed Immel to maintain equipment for 4449 excursions. The 2 NRM-owned prewar Daylight cars were:

Commute Coach SP #2202 was built for the Daylight in 1937 by P-S in Lot #6500 to Plan #7376 as 48 seat coach #2400 in Class 77-C-1. Transferred to T&NO as #452. Rebuilt to commute coach #2202 with 122 seats (3 and 2 arrangement) in 1965. To Northwest Rail Museum as NRM #2202. To Oregon Coast Scenic Railroad in 2010 as OCSR #2202. Currently located in Tillamook, OR.

Coach Observation SP #2955 was built for the Daylight in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6638 to Plan #7419A as 22 seat parlor observation #2955 in Class 79-PRO-2. Rebuilt to 72 seat coach observation #2297 in 1963. To Northwest Rail Museum as NRM #2955 "James J. Gilmore". Leased to DLMX for 4449 excursions. Non-Amtrak certified.

Earl Knoob wrote:

There was a 3 unit articulated set on the Sierra years ago, but it was stored there and never used.

Brian Norden wrote:

The unit that was on the Sierra was one of the Cascade cars.

Is this the Cascade set #10280-#10281-#10282 that is now part of the GGRX collection?

Sources:

1. Amtrak retirement dates from "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon. Ordering information here: http://on-track-on-line.com/pdfs/orderform-otol.pdf

2. David Coscia's list of surviving SP passenger equipment at: http://webpages.charter.net/altalair/sp_equipment.html

3. E.O. Gibson's page on SP's Peninsula commute operations (Part 2: Gallery Cars and the #2202) at: http://www.wx4.org/to/foam/sp/san_jose/depot/commcars/cars2.html

4. Sleeper information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

nickco201 · **Joined:** Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:15 pm **Posts:** 4

Just curious, How many cars from Southern's Crescent limited have survived?

filmteknik · **Posted:** Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:21 am

Great question but how about a new thread for that?

Topfuel · **Joined:** Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:49 pm **Posts:** 526

Here is an update to the current status of 7 of the World's Fair Daylight cars:

Daylight Coach SW #542 "Sonoma" was built for the SP Coast Daylight in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2355. To Amtrak #4842. Retired 10/1981. To Sierra Western Railroad Company as SW #542 "Sonoma" for use on Eureka Southern-[i]North Coast Daylight[/i] excursions on the Northwestern Pacific. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Scotia, CA (at the Pacific Lumber Company). Sold to Jon Clark 2011. Moved by highway to live rail at Napa, CA. For sale 2013.

Daylight Coach SW #544 "Mendocino" was built for the SP [i]Shasta Daylight[/i] in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2358. To Amtrak #4844. Sold 9/1983 to Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #544 "Mendocino" for use on Eur. Sou.-[i]North Coast Daylight[/i] excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Scotia, CA (at the Pacific Lumber Co). Sold to Jon Clark 2011. Moved by highway to live rail at Napa, CA. For sale 2013.

Daylight Coach SW #546 "Humboldt" was built for the SP [i]Shasta Daylight[/i] in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2361. To Amtrak #4846. Sold 9/1983 to Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #546 "Humboldt" for use on Eur. Sou.-[i]North Coast Daylight[/i] excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Scotia, CA (at the Pacific Lumber Co). Sold to Jon Clark 2011. Moved by highway to live rail at Napa, CA. Held.

Daylight Coach SW #507 "Shasta" was built for the SP [i]Shasta Daylight[/i] in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571 as 48 seat coach #2387. To Amtrak #7507 in 1973. Retired 11/1977. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #507 "Shasta" for use on Eur. Sou.-[i]North Coast Daylight[/i] excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Willits, CA. Scrapped 2008 at Willits - minor fire damage.

Daylight Coach SW #511 "Stanislaus" was built for the SP [i]Shasta Daylight[/i] in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571A as a 48 seat coach. To Amtrak #7511. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #511 "Stanislaus" for use on Eur. Sou.-[i]North Coast Daylight[/i] excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Willits, CA. Sold to Jon Clark 2008. Moved by highway to live rail at Los Angeles, CA. Held.

Daylight Coach PAR #2397 "Shasta Springs" was built for the SP [i]Shasta Daylight[/i] in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571A as 48 seat coach #2397. To Amtrak #7512 in 1973. Retired 11/1977. To William Gawzner-Miramar Hotel in Santa Barbara. To Pacific Railroad Society as PAR #2397 "Shasta Springs" with Amtrak certification #800229. Currently located at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA.

Daylight Coach SW #500 "San Joaquin" was built for the SP [i]Shasta Daylight[/i] in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7575 as "Timberline" coffee shop tavern lounge #10317. Rebuilt to 86 seat coach #2241 in 1963. To Amtrak #7500 in 1973. Retired 1976. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #500 "San Joaquin" for use on Eur. Sou.-[i]North Coast Daylight[/i] excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Willits, CA. Scrapped 2008 at Willits - fire damage.

Daylight Coach SW #510 "Tuolumne" was built for the SP [i]Shasta Daylight[/i] in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571A as 48 seat coach #2395. To Amtrak #7510 in 1973. Retired 1976. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #510 "Tuolumne" for use on Eur. Sou.-[i]North Coast Daylight[/i] excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Healdsburg, CA. Sold to Jon Clark 2011. For sale 2013.

Coach GW #568 "Red River" was built for the GN [i]Red River[/i] in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3125 as 21 seat diner 20 seat lounge observation #1147 "Red River". Rebuilt to 68 seat coach #1147 in 1962. To BN #6800 (number was applied). To Amtrak #6800. Retired 11/1977. To private ownership (in 1978?). To Great Western Tours as GW #568. To the Pacific Northwest Chapter as PNWC #6800. Currently in Daylight paint.

Diner SW #156 "Lake Pepin" was built for the SLSF-MKT [i]Texas Special[/i] in 1947 by P-S in Lot #6768 to Plan #7540 as SLSF 36 seat diner #650 "Alexander Doniphan". Sold to the GN in 1966 as renumbered/renamed to #1156 "Lake Pepin". To BN. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #156 "Lake Pepin" for use on Eur. Sou.-[i]North Coast Daylight[/i] excursions on the NWP. After the NWP washouts and end of operations, stored in Asti, CA, alongside SW #151 (ex-GN Ranch Car #1242 "Hidden Lake"). The SW #156 "Lake Pepin" was acquired by Jon Clark. For sale 2013. The SW #151 was acquired by Matt Munson.

Buffet Lounge Observation GS #1290 "Appekunny Mountain" was built for the Mid-Century [i]Empire Builder[/i] in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3447 as GN #1290 "Appekunny Mountain" with 36 buffet lounge seats and 3 crew roomettes. To BN #1290, renumbered to #1200. To Grant Supply Company as GS #1290 "Appekunny Mountain" with Amtrak registration #800005. To the Arizona & California Railroad for use on the California Northern as CFNR #100.

Also note that the former SP 2397, owned by Pacific RR Society, is not Amtrak Certified. Many cars have Amtrak 800000 numbers that are not or were not ever Amtrak Certified. However, the 2397 did run on several Amtrak special trains prior to the requirements for 40 year rebuilds and HEP.

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