Speaking of U23B's: LV/CR U23B May Be Available in Md.

u25b · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:54 am

cood101 wrote:

u25b wrote:

Don't worry you wont offend me- everyone is entitled to there opinion. As for the Conway, as far as I know, they are a for profit and for all the reasons you mention (not popular etc), that operable U23B is probably not really secured for preservation and could/ would be replaced when and if something else came along. I hope I'm wrong.

Wes

I forgot to mention 2 down at the SARM in CSX MOW orange that run.

Any idea of there numbers-I can't find them on the SARM web site?

Wes

robertjohndavis · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:10 am **Posts:** 2499

The Conway Scenic is not a museum, but an operating railroad, so I wouldn't consider any of the fleet "preserved." Their four oldest diesels have all left the property over the last couple of years. Railpace suggests a deal is in the works for the GE's to leave next.

Rob

PaulWWoodring · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:16 am

cood101 wrote:

Are you talking about the Maryland or Sayre U23B? If your talking about the sayre project, I can tell you how to help, if your talking about saving the one in Maryland, I can't help you there with how to help.

The engine in question is essentially at Jessup, MD on the CSX Capital Sub, just West of Jessup CSX yard, and just East of the Savage MARC station, across the tracks from Henkels Rd. and below the Guilford Rd. overpass of CSX. The tracks it occupies used to form the wye at Annapolis Jct.

etalcos · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:52 am

Wes[/quote]
I forgot to mention 2 down at the SARM in CSX MOW orange that run.[/quote]

Any idea of there numbers-I can't find them on the SARM web site?

Wes[/quote]

CSX 9553 and 9554 (for the moment) both former L&N. SOU 3937, L&N 1497, CSX 3118, CSX 3119, DE 009 and L&N 1616 are there as well.

Chemungvalleyrail · **Joined:** Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:12 am **Posts:** 90

Not sure if the Sayre project is still happening or not. Anyone know of if the one destined for Sayre is indeed still at RMDI? At least one of these locos should be saved as they were the LAST new engines the LV received, and were pretty spiffy looking.
Anyone want to get the ball rolling to save one or more? Would love to see it preserved here in Elmira...

Rob

scottychaos · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:04 pm

Im not affiliated with the Sayre Historical Society, but I did make their U23B webpage:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/scotty ... -U23B.html

(I was a member of the first RR museum in the Sayre Station, the "Valley Railroad Museum" back in the 1980's..the Sayre Historical Society is a different group..)

As far as I know, the Sayre U23B project has never officially died..its just going very slowly..(im not sure exactly why).. They have maintained a separate U23B fund, kept separate from the main museum funds, and perhaps fundraising for the U23B specifically hasnt been a major priority lately..but in the Society's defense, the U23B project began *before* the museum was actually up and running! the main focus of the society over the past 4-5 years has simply been to get the museum operating..which they have now successfully done.

Also, the society member who was originally the main proponent of the U-boat project had to leave town because of his job..the remaining members perhaps have had other priorities, and placed the loco lower on the to-do list..(which, as I said, makes sense when you place the loco in the context of the museum just starting up, from scratch, and having more pressing concerns over the past few years..every organization has a finite amount of manpower and money..priorities have to be set.)

But as far as I know, getting the loco to Sayre has simply been a matter of raising the funds..its not very far away, right down the LV mainline from Sayre, so logistically getting it to Sayre shouldnt be a big issue..the big "delay" has simply been raising the money..I was in Sayre a month ago, and it appears much recent work has been on the display track for the loco..so they are at least working on the project it seems..

The loco destined for Sayre would now have to be LV 510, the only LV U23B still at RMDI:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1370776

And actually, perhaps this long delay might end up being a blessing in disguise!..because the 510 is in MUCH better shape than the 501 and 511 were, (which were the earlier contenders to go to Sayre)..both were derelict, and are now scrapped..the 510 is a MUCH better preservation candidate!

As for TWO preserved LV U-boats? ABSOLUTELY! There are only four LV locomotives that are officially preserved..I think a U23B is a prime preservation candidate..
(If I had my own museum, I would be preserving Conrail SD40-2's! ;)
these things dont last forever..while I agree museums shouldnt just take ANY random loco that comes their way (im still amazed that THREE PRR GG1's made it to upstate NY..weird..) but if a society has the opportunity, and its something unique and "local" they should totally pursue it..I think this second LV U-boat would be a great opportunity for the Chemung group! So what if two end up close by? no big deal..and its also possible one of the two might not pan out, in which case we would only end up with only one...

LVRR Survivors:
http://www.frontiernet.net/~scottychaos ... tives.html

Scot

u25b · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:00 pm

What Scoty said!!

u25b · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:10 pm

etalcos wrote:

Wes

I forgot to mention 2 down at the SARM in CSX MOW orange that run.[/quote]

Any idea of there numbers-I can't find them on the SARM web site?

Wes[/quote]

CSX 9553 and 9554 (for the moment) both former L&N. SOU 3937, L&N 1497, CSX 3118, CSX 3119, DE 009 and L&N 1616 are there as well.[/quote]

This museum now must have the honour of being the GE capital of preservation!! I just wonder how secure are the "leased" Vintage Locomotive Inc. locos.

Wes

cood101 · **Joined:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:18 am **Posts:** 198

u25b wrote:

etalcos wrote:

Wes

I forgot to mention 2 down at the SARM in CSX MOW orange that run.

Any idea of there numbers-I can't find them on the SARM web site?

Wes[/quote]

CSX 9553 and 9554 (for the moment) both former L&N. SOU 3937, L&N 1497, CSX 3118, CSX 3119, DE 009 and L&N 1616 are there as well.[/quote]

This museum now must have the honour of being the GE capital of preservation!! I just wonder how secure are the "leased" Vintage Locomotive Inc. locos.

Wes[/quote]
They are VERY secure. The owner of these "lesased locomotives" has helped preserve many a rare locomotive.

cood101 · **Joined:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:18 am **Posts:** 198

scottychaos wrote:

Im not affiliated with the Sayre Historical Society, but I did make their U23B webpage:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/scotty ... -U23B.html

(I was a member of the first RR museum in the Sayre Station, the "Valley Railroad Museum" back in the 1980's..the Sayre Historical Society is a different group..)

As far as I know, the Sayre U23B project has never officially died..its just going very slowly..(im not sure exactly why).. They have maintained a separate U23B fund, kept separate from the main museum funds, and perhaps fundraising for the U23B specifically hasnt been a major priority lately..but in the Society's defense, the U23B project began *before* the museum was actually up and running! the main focus of the society over the past 4-5 years has simply been to get the museum operating..which they have now successfully done.

Also, the society member who was originally the main proponent of the U-boat project had to leave town because of his job..the remaining members perhaps have had other priorities, and placed the loco lower on the to-do list..(which, as I said, makes sense when you place the loco in the context of the museum just starting up, from scratch, and having more pressing concerns over the past few years..every organization has a finite amount of manpower and money..priorities have to be set.)

But as far as I know, getting the loco to Sayre has simply been a matter of raising the funds..its not very far away, right down the LV mainline from Sayre, so logistically getting it to Sayre shouldnt be a big issue..the big "delay" has simply been raising the money..I was in Sayre a month ago, and it appears much recent work has been on the display track for the loco..so they are at least working on the project it seems..

The loco destined for Sayre would now have to be LV 510, the only LV U23B still at RMDI:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1370776

And actually, perhaps this long delay might end up being a blessing in disguise!..because the 510 is in MUCH better shape than the 501 and 511 were, (which were the earlier contenders to go to Sayre)..both were derelict, and are now scrapped..the 510 is a MUCH better preservation candidate!

As for TWO preserved LV U-boats? ABSOLUTELY! There are only four LV locomotives that are officially preserved..I think a U23B is a prime preservation candidate..
(If I had my own museum, I would be preserving Conrail SD40-2's! ;)
these things dont last forever..while I agree museums shouldnt just take ANY random loco that comes their way (im still amazed that THREE PRR GG1's made it to upstate NY..weird..) but if a society has the opportunity, and its something unique and "local" they should totally pursue it..I think this second LV U-boat would be a great opportunity for the Chemung group! So what if two end up close by? no big deal..and its also possible one of the two might not pan out, in which case we would only end up with only one...

LVRR Survivors:
http://www.frontiernet.net/~scottychaos ... tives.html

Scot

I'm not affiliated with them either, but I do see the goal they are trying to accomplish. Is this locomotive operable (seeing it last ran 5 years ago)?
and the project page's funds bar hasn't been updated since 2005. Is $2,200 still the official count on what has been put twoards the project?

etalcos · **Posted:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:06 am

Wes[/quote]

CSX 9553 and 9554 (for the moment) both former L&N. SOU 3937, L&N 1497, CSX 3118, CSX 3119, DE 009 and L&N 1616 are there as well.[/quote]

This museum now must have the honour of being the GE capital of preservation!! I just wonder how secure are the "leased" Vintage Locomotive Inc. locos.

Wes[/quote]
They are VERY secure. The owner of these "lesased locomotives" has helped preserve many a rare locomotive.[/quote]

I think the plan is to dismantle one of the B-23-7s to provide parts for the other. Likewise the DE 009 would be parts to support the restoration of L&N 1497. They dismantled a P&LE U28B a few years back for a genset or more specifically a GT598 main generator for the 1616. And I think you would find that "security" has a lot to do with pedigree.

As far as the "owner" goes, a tremendous amount is still around because he put his money where his mouth was and beat the scrapper to them. Some run and look nice, others are just plain ratty, but as long as they exist there is hope. In addition to some nice GE stuff SARM also hosts the largest collection of "preserved" L&N diesels.

u25b · **Posted:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:55 am

A great shame about the U28B being destroyed to save 1616. While I am (obviously) a great fan of old GEs and in particular the U25B, there are no U28Bs in preservation that I am aware of. There are still a few opportunities though. Perhaps parts reclamation could be done on rarer diesels in such a way that the shell could be preserved in a museum statically.

Wes

etalcos · **Posted:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:41 am

Wes,

The U28B was a disaster. It was a former TTI that was landlocked at a shut down coal mine. The local meth heads had stripped and torched it. The genset and trucks were for the most part the only useful parts to save. Sad, but....

And there may indeed be a U28 in preservation -- I'll check.

scottychaos · **Posted:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:57 am

cood101 wrote:

I'm not affiliated with them either, but I do see the goal they are trying to accomplish. Is this locomotive operable (seeing it last ran 5 years ago)?

I dont know..I would guess that if Sayre wants the loco only for display, that RMDI might remove some internal parts for their loco rebuilding efforts..but they also might be keeping it "complete" for the SHS..I havent heard either way.

Quote:

and the project page's funds bar hasn't been updated since 2005. Is $2,200 still the official count on what has been put twoards the project?

and.. I dont know! ;)
I will email the Sayre Historical Society today and ask them for an update..
I will then update the info on the SHS U23B webpage, and update the info here..

Scot

scottychaos · **Posted:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:17 am

etalcos wrote:

And there may indeed be a U28 in preservation -- I'll check.

Possibly a preserved U28B:
VLIX 5323, U28B, at the Kentucky Railroad Museum, New Haven, KY:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2114750

Originally L&N 2504.
some internet chatter says the loco is now classed as a U30B..(a U28B that was upgraded)..probably shouldnt technically be considered a U30B, but thats debatable..

Might not actually be "preserved" though, its unclear:

Quote:

The unit is no longer Nashville & Eastern 5323. It is owned by Ed Bowers of Vintage Locomotives Incorporated (VLIX) and is likely on loan to KRM.
Unit history L&N 2504 GE serial#36083 built 11/66 as a U28B and then upgraded by L&N to a U30B in the 1970s. To SS 5540, to CSX 5323, to NERR 5323 and now VLIX 5323.

source: http://tinyurl.com/3uzllso

Scot

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