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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:57 am 

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TylerWV wrote:
Yes she willl lead! Was posted on another forum by a crew member that NS is assisiting with the insallation of a cab signal system on the 765 so it can lead the train. They will also have the NS 8100 (NKP) with them on the ferry moves.


I'm curious to know more about this cab signal system installation. What kind of system and how its being installed. Will this system meet PTC requirements once those regulations kick in? Is 765 keeping its old Barco speedo, or is something else being installed since you now have to have either an axle driven alternator or some other kind of speed sensing device?


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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:13 am 

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The parts for the cab signals just arrived yesterday. We'll be documenting the installation of the system through our website and newsletter.

The "old" Speedometer will be retained and we have a GPS speedometer we installed two years ago. Having the NKP Heritage Unit behind us will also allow us to tie into that unit's system and power.

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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:46 am 

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nathansixchime wrote:
Having the NKP Heritage Unit behind us will also allow us to tie into that unit's system and power.

Does that mean 765 will or will not have M.U. controls for the trailing diesel? I would assume no M.U. is needed at this point.


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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:28 pm 

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p51 wrote:
When was a steam locomotive most recently on the curve, anyway, and which engine was it?


I believe that a later move than 2102 over the curve would have been the DH move of CP 1293 from Steamtown to the Ohio Central in the early '90's. I think I remember a friend photographing it going through Gallitzin. Also, probably sister engine 1278 came the same way after the OC bought it from the Gettysburg some years later, although I couldn't say for sure and don't know of any photos taken of that move.

As for the question of the second weekend of trips for the infamous 2102/4070 double-headers, yes they did come off. The Midwest Railway Historical Foundation (owners of 4070 at the time, now Midwest Railway Preservation Society - totally spun off from Midwest Chapter, NRHS) found a shop in the Pittsburgh area to do an emergency straightening out of the eccentric rod that came off (it didn't break, but did bow significantly from repeatedly digging into the ballast before the train came to a stop - see John Corns' extraordinary photo taken at the moment it happened from the walkway of one of the CR diesels behind the steam engines that appeared in Trains the issue after the event, I think August '77, he literally snapped the photo as the train went into emergency). Apparently a cotter pin/key holding a nut that secured the rod to the linkage fell out and allowed the nut to work it's way loose and fall off), were able to get everything back together during the week between trips, and 4070 ran successfully on the last two trips, and came back to Ohio under steam, if not on it's own. I know for a fact that it and the MRHF cars returned to Cleveland from Akron as part of a regular Chessie freight, because I photographed it leaving Akron on the CT&V sub (now the CVSR), after sitting overnight on the old Pennsy running track through downtown Akron across from the old McCoy St. E-L yard.


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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:38 pm 

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Pretty sure you're right about 1278. One of our friends e-mailed that day to say he'd been up on the caboose platform at Gallitzin shooting the breeze with Ed when a steam engine and two Fs came out of the tunnel. He was, shall we say, mildly surprised.

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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:29 pm 

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Just the news helicopters jockeying for airspace is a scary enough thought.

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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:04 pm 

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Folks, all our nattering may have been for naught.

Below is a tentative proposal published by Trains Magazine at their website today:

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Aug. 11-12: Conway Yard, Conway, Pa. to CP Wood (Homewood, Pa.) [about 13 miles]
Aug. 18-19: Enola Yard (Harrisburg, Pa.) to CP Capital, a junction in Harrisburg [over Rockville Bridge and down to Harrisburg Station, turn on a wye there--there's a way to do a complete loop back to Enola, but one connecting track faces the wrong way]


Other employee trips reported are all of a similar nature--very local, short-mileage runs, apparently conducive to loading a couple trips' worth of employees/families/kids over the course of a day. This ISN'T runs over the Horse Shoe Curve, or flying through the Great Dismal Swamp or over the Old Fort Loops or Fast Freight over the Nickel Plate.

Now, of course, 765 and train have to GET to Harrisburg, and that will most likely happen via Altoona. But they can move at night, you know.

*Sigh* Excuse me, I have a tent at Kittaning Point to strike.......


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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:57 pm 

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Richard Glueck wrote:
Just the news helicopters jockeying for airspace is a scary enough thought.



I imagine more than one railfan with too much camera gear (ooops, I mean professional video team) will be up in the air, too!

Rob

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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:03 pm 

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robertjohndavis wrote:
I imagine more than one railfan with too much camera gear (ooops, I mean professional video team) will be up in the air, too!


Norfolk Southern now has one in their employment. With a company-supplied SUV, it's rumored.


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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:04 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
Folks, all our nattering may have been for naught.

Now, of course, 765 and train have to GET to Harrisburg, and that will most likely happen via Altoona. But they can move at night, you know.


Going by reliable sources, the plan is to have the ferry moves in daylight (as much as feasibly possible) with #765 in the lead.

Unless there is something "up" that is as-yet-unannounced with the long break between the Harrisburg and Missouri trips, one could reasonably expect an uphill daylight run out of Altoona to occur the Monday or Tuesday after Harrisburg. We (and thousands of others) shall see... but will he hear?

I wouldn't mind joining the gaggle at the curve, if everyone takes a vow of silence so we can enjoy the aural treat (which should last for many minutes pre and post Curve). A nice spot in the woods, away from NS property, might be the best place to hear the show.

Rob

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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:32 pm 

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robertjohndavis wrote:
I wouldn't mind joining the gaggle at the curve, if everyone takes a vow of silence so we can enjoy the aural treat (which should last for many minutes pre and post Curve). A nice spot in the woods, away from NS property, might be the best place to hear the show.


*secretly sets up tent behind MG Tower*

*reconsiders the odds of NS keeping the diesel in MU to assure timekeeping over that bottleneck*

*strikes tent again and glumly heads back down the access road......*


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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:57 pm 

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I'm jealous...you East Coast guys are gonna have the show of the year....


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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:21 pm 

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And now you know how we Easterners feel every time we hear about another trip with 4449, 261, 3751, 844, or 3985.

Oh, sure, for years we had 4501, 611, 1218, 2102, and a few others.

Not since 1996 (261 on a snow trip at Steamtown), mates. I knew damn well what I was doing when I went down to South Carolina to post out a "Thanks For The Memories, Norfolk Southern!" banner at Clemson for one of the final trips.....


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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:36 am 

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Txhighballer wrote:
I'm jealous...you East Coast guys are gonna have the show of the year....


You guys have 844 year round and 4449, 3751, etc etc at strategic points throughout the year. It's high time the East had some good steam again hahah.

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 Post subject: Re: 765 Over Horseshoe Curve
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:41 am 

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Mark Z. Yerkes wrote:
Txhighballer wrote:
I'm jealous...you East Coast guys are gonna have the show of the year....


You guys have 844 year round and 4449, 3751, etc etc at strategic points throughout the year. It's high time the East had some good steam again hahah.


Don't get me wrong...I'm glad you are getting a long deserved revival...I'm just mad that I can't get there to see it....


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