Age Of Steam, Dallas Folks.

Frisco1522 · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:18 am

Any Frisco steam is hallowed ground to me as most people know by now. I'm glad to see her and the 4500 finally cleaned up and looking good.
Has anyone ever fixed the predicament that the 1527 is in down in Mobile? Shameful!

DuesyJ29 · **Joined:** Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:52 pm **Posts:** 95

I did a search on the 1527 here on RYPN and couldn't find anything about the situation that the engine is currently in. Are you referring to the paint scheme?

Steve B · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:23 pm

A picture is worth a thousand words and that is all I am going to say.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2515957

Steve

survivingworldsteam · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:29 pm

Steve B wrote:

A picture is worth a thousand words and that is all I am going to say.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2515957

Steve

Considering she rode out Hurricane Katrina several years ago, and is a stones throw from the Gulf; I don't think it looks bad at all. It does need cover; though that won't protect it from the salt spray coming from the Gulf.

Matt3985 · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:48 pm

I remember visiting this museum while it was still in Dallas and I like it but I do admit to say that If I ever go back to Texas, I will defenitly look forward to the new site. The old site in Dallas was good but I felt like I was pack inside a small backyard while touring the museum grounds. I still remember the awsome site seeing a Union Pacific Big Boy up close and personal and actually touching it made me feel somewhat speical to finally come face to face looking at it and also wishing by god, I wish she had a fire in her firebox and rolling down the mainline and feeling (from what the Pentrex DVD) "The Union Pacific Big Boy Collection" that said when a Big Boy Rolls by it shakes the ground as it moves. God I wish I could had experience but at least I get to touch a peice of Steam Locomotive History. I look forward to the new site

Charlie · **Posted:** Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:18 pm

Just wondering what the status of the move is? Haven't heard anything about it or the preparations at Frisco in awhile.

survivingworldsteam · **Posted:** Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:37 pm

Charlie wrote:

Just wondering what the status of the move is? Haven't heard anything about it or the preparations at Frisco in awhile.

From the museum newsletter; the equipment mentioned was actually stored in Grapevine, Texas:

Quote:

Project Updates
08/27/2012

The rolling stock is rolling! The first group of cars, Santa Fe M-160, M-K-T
Dining Car, Pullman Glen Nevis, along with a few other boxcars have departed
the BNSF's Irving yard at 2:35 p.m. en route to Frisco.

Fort Worth-based Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway recently completed
installation of a switch in its main line through Frisco to provide rail
access to the Museum's new site on Cotton Gin Road. The switch will allow
the Museum's 40-piece collection of historic locomotives and rail cars to
move the 55 rail miles between Dallas and Frisco and enter its new facility
on their own wheels. Many of those pieces are not capable of movement by
any other means due to their immense size and weight.
"This is a major contribution from BNSF, one that literally makes the Museum
s relocation possible. We are grateful to BNSF for their continued support
of this project, and their commitment to preserving our nation's railroad
heritage," says Museum CEO, Bob LaPrelle.
The majority of the Museum's rolling stock collection consists of heritage
pieces from BNSF predecessor lines, including Santa Fe, Frisco, Fort Worth &
Denver, and Northern Pacific. The largest heritage piece, the 800,000 lb.
Frisco Steam Locomotive #4501, will negotiate the new switch this Fall when
a modern BNSF diesel locomotive eases it onto the Museum's new trackage.
BNSF has graciously agreed to donate transportation of the Museum's
collection as part of the move.
The Museum's track contractor completed the final 500 feet of lead track
between the new site and BNSF's main line switch in late July. A symbolic
driving of the last spike ceremony took place on July 26th, with Frisco
Mayor Maher Maso and several Council Members taking part in the event.
Final inspection of the track took place last week and some pieces of the
Museum's collection are now on their way to Frisco.

Final Phase IA site work is underway in Frisco, including installation of a
decorative iron security fence around the perimeter. The 3,400 foot fence
will essentially encompass the Museum's footprint including tail track
behind the Frisco Discovery Center. The fence is expected to be complete by
the arrival of the first pieces of rolling stock in the collection.
Meanwhile, the foundation for Tower 19 is progressing. Piers have been
poured and the slab should be completed soon. Once the slab has cured, the
first floor base will be formed-up and poured. Vertical steel reinforcing
rod for the base will be included as part of the slab work. A nice touch
will be provisions for original doors and windows in the new base that were
not replicated at Fair Park.
Placement of the H&TC depot on its new concrete piers and Tower 19 on its
newly-constructed base should take place in a few weeks. Conduit for
utilities is being installed as foundation work progresses. We are looking
forward to permanently placing both buildings so that reconstruction can
begin.

Our sincere thanks to TXI Concrete, Lingle Engineers, Able Concrete
Contractors, and N.L. Schutte Foundation Drilling for their generosity and
support of the foundation projects.

Help us make a difference!
Here are some great ways to help support the Museum.

survivingworldsteam · **Posted:** Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:38 pm

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From: Museum of the American Railroad
Date: 8/29/2012 12:54:16 PM
To: John
Subject: Big Move to Frisco

Frisco project updates about the Museum of the American Railroad.

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Project Updates
08/29/2012

Just after 4:00pm on 08/27/12, a BNSF engine and crew eased the first pieces
of the Museum's rolling stock collection onto the Frisco site. Taking less
than an hour and a half to travel from BNSF's Irving yard, the special train
consisted of Santa Fe Motorcar M-160, M-K-T Dining Car #438, Pullman
Sleeping Car Glen Nevis, two Armour Ice Reefer Cars, and a 40-ft T&P boxcar.

The move was uneventful thanks to careful planning and preparation by BNSF
crews, including the Sherman Car Department. The Museum's staff provided
mechanical support along the way, but no running repairs were necessary. A
roll-by inspection was performed in Carrollton, which is approximately half
way between Irving and Frisco.
The train arrived at the Museum's Frisco site while many onlookers,
including local media, recorded the event. Residents of nearby townhomes,
including families with small children, were delighted to greet their new
neighbors.
We are indebted to BNSF for devoting their resources to the first move. Two
members of the train crew are former Frisco employees, dating back to the
early 1970s. Mike Dodson, the train's brakeman recalled working with Harold
Bacchus, the long-time Station Agent and former Mayor of Frisco. It only
seems fitting that today's crew would have strong ties to the Frisco
Railway.
The celebrated arrival of today's train will be one of several, as the
Museum's collection travels to Frisco over the next few weeks. The
relocation will culminate in the move of the Museum's two largest steam
locomotives.

Click here in order to see a short clip of the move, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ3tIAoWQkw

Charlie · **Posted:** Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:53 pm

Many thanks for the report! That's exciting news. Hope the rest of the moves go as smoothly.

Gary Gray · **Posted:** Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:53 pm

Steam Operations Corporation is involved with the move as a contractor also, which means that the locomotives are in very good hands.

Brandon261 · **Joined:** Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:35 pm **Posts:** 3

This is great news! It will be nice to see all of the equipment at a new facility and hopefully larger as I remember as a kid it was very crowded and hard to view some of the equipment! I remember mostly the GG1 UP 4018 and FRISCO 4501. You guys have a wonderful verity of equipment and hope you guys the best in moving all of it!

Brandon

junior · **Posted:** Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:31 pm

Steve B wrote:

A picture is worth a thousand words and that is all I am going to say.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2515957

Steve

Someone apparently confused this loco for one built in China....

Overmod · **Joined:** Thu May 24, 2012 1:37 pm **Posts:** 2492

... or Germany.

Interesting that 1522 has disc main drivers, but this locomotive has Web-Spoke. Is there any discussion, on the Web or elsewhere, about choice of mains at the time the balancing was updated?

Robbie Hanson · **Joined:** Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:48 pm **Posts:** 40

Overmod wrote:

... or Germany.

Interesting that 1522 has disc main drivers, but this locomotive has Web-Spoke. Is there any discussion, on the Web or elsewhere, about choice of mains at the time the balancing was updated?

I don't know why as I don't know the history of the locomotive, but the 1522 only has one axle with Scullin discs, the second driver axle.

Overmod · **Joined:** Thu May 24, 2012 1:37 pm **Posts:** 2492

Yes, that's correct, and that is the point. Those are the 'main' drivers, where the main rods from the cylinders attach. These are the wheels most in need of balancing, and the most difficult to balance.

If you look at Johnson's or Bruce's books, you'll get a better appreciation for what is involved in balancing locomotives. Many locomotives built in the '20s were given better balancing in the 1930s to improve their usable speed -- a good example is T&P 610, which received extensive attention in 1938. There, again, a disc main was installed, to give better strength and lower rim deflection, and to ease the requirements for installing mass in the proper locations to give full cross-balancing.

The point I was making is that a 'response' to the disc wheel designs (such as Boxpok, Scullin, and Baldwin disc) with respect to those desiderata was the Web-Spoke design. This provides an arched stiffening web between spokes at the rim, giving the same stiffness and resistance to deflection provided by the disc wheel. Evidently the Frisco thought enough of its capability for accommodating appropriate balance mass that they applied it in place of a disc center... on a numerically later member of the class. As I indicated, it would be useful to find out what year the conversion was done, and whether data indicate the Web-Spoke was comparable, inferior, or superior in various respects to other centers that might have been tried.

As an interesting note: Staufer, in Thoroughbreds, indicates that pairs of Web-Spoke wheels were swapped out, apparently indiscriminately, with Boxpok or Scullin drivers -- but I believe only as coupled wheelsets, and later in the life of the J3 Hudsons. It would be interesting to know from Kiefer's perspective what the advantages of the Web-Spoke wheels turned out to be...

RME