Evidence supporting current FRA/TSA Mask Rules

choodude · **Joined:** Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:58 am **Posts:** 327

6-18003 wrote:

I have had people that I knew personally die from covid and also from the vaccine.

Please tell us more about the "deaths from the Vaccination."

Brian

RCD · **Posted:** Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:18 am

6-18003 wrote:

Ed Kapuscinski wrote:

6-18003 wrote:

In before this post gets locked

I'll help it along, I guess, but you appear to be an infantile reductive troll who nobody should be taking seriously.

Or I actually read and don't listen to talking heads for medical information. The covid bug is .06 to 1.4 microns in size. If you aren't wearing an N95 mask, that patch of handkerchief loosely bound around your mouth is only for a psychological benefit.

I'm not going to get more in-depth about filtration media, or how it's sometimes easier to trap smaller particles than covid, you can look that up for yourself if you dare.

It helps because it retard the airflow comming out of your mouth so while some viruses will get through they'll be less air current to carry them along.

6-18003 · **Joined:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:31 am **Posts:** 728

choodude wrote:

6-18003 wrote:

I have had people that I knew personally die from covid and also from the vaccine.

Please tell us more about the "deaths from the Vaccination."

Brian

Without giving out too much personal information, one person in their late 60s, with a compromised immune system - slipped into a coma within 24 hours of getting the vaccine and never came out of it. Another person in their mid to late 50s with some common health issues, massive heart attack within three days of getting vaxxed, also didn’t make it.

I personally knew three people who died of covid (at least one was early on and unvaccinated). I personally know several dozens who have been vaccinated without any ill effects (at least to date), and at least three who were fully vaxxed and still got covid.

jayrod · **Posted:** Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:52 pm

Reading and comprehending scientific papers and all the footnotes that go with them is not an easy thing for anyone not in the field of study. For masking and breakthrough infections, here are some articles in plain English that explain the studies:

Masking:
https://theconversation.com/covid-19-masks-faqs-how-can-cloth-stop-a-tiny-virus-whats-the-best-fabric-do-they-protect-the-wearer-146822

Yes, masks do work to help slow the spread.

Breakthrough infections:
https://theconversation.com/what-is-a-breakthrough-infection-6-questions-answered-about-catching-covid-19-after-vaccination-164909

Keep in mind that the term “immunity” doesn’t mean what you think with vaccines. What vaccines do is prime your body to quickly kill off the invading organism you get. They do not prevent you from getting it. You’d have to live in a sterile bubble for that. They are effective at keeping you out of the hospital and/or dying. Of course there are exceptions to every rule but the percentage is very low all things considered.

Brian:
Sorry for your loss. Immunocompromised people should always consult with their physician before getting any vaccine and understand the risks with their condition. I have a friend fighting Stage 4 cancer and his doctor was very hesitant about recommending the vaccine in his case. My friend decided against it.

mRNA vaccines may cause inflammation of the heart, or around the heart but at a lower rate than the actual virus. These conditions are usually effectively treatable. You’d have to know what caused the heart attack and the contributing circumstances before attributing it to the vaccine. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/06/experts-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-likely-tied-heart-inflammation

Disclaimer: I’m not in the medical profession but I am an admittedly voracious data junky - likely a bit OCD. Especially if there is something out there that can kill me or others around me, I do an ungodly amount of research.

Bobulltech · **Joined:** Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:24 pm **Posts:** 139

choodude wrote:

6-18003 wrote:

I have had people that I knew personally die from covid and also from the vaccine.

Please tell us more about the "deaths from the Vaccination."

Brian

Where I live there have been countless dozens of deaths from astrazeneca, documented investigated and indictments from the public prosecutor...

Steamguy73 · **Joined:** Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:15 pm **Posts:** 636

Rick Rowlands wrote:

I dislike the way they lump everything together and count it as a case. Everything from an unvaccinated person in the hospital on a ventilator down to a vaccinated person with no symptoms who tests positive are given the same weight in the case count. That paints an inaccurate picture of the situation at hand. Yes cases are on the rise but if a lot of them are people with no symptoms to something akin to the flu, then what are we worried about? The vaccine is doing its job.

Precisely. The rise in cases has proved that the vaccine is effective. Rise in overall cases, very little change in the number of deaths.

jayrod · **Posted:** Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:47 pm

Bobulltech wrote:

Where I live there have been countless dozens of deaths from astrazeneca, documented investigated and indictments from the public prosecutor...

I know this is getting way off topic (sorry). I’d be interested in reading more about this.I don’t follow AstraZeneca but I’m aware of 9 deaths in Australia and 32 in Great Britain from blood clots out of I don’t know how many millions. That seems a pretty low number and very much worth the gamble compared to the virus.

Rick Rowlands · **Posted:** Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:57 pm

Steamguy73 wrote:

Rick Rowlands wrote:

I dislike the way they lump everything together and count it as a case. Everything from an unvaccinated person in the hospital on a ventilator down to a vaccinated person with no symptoms who tests positive are given the same weight in the case count. That paints an inaccurate picture of the situation at hand. Yes cases are on the rise but if a lot of them are people with no symptoms to something akin to the flu, then what are we worried about? The vaccine is doing its job.

Precisely. The rise in cases has proved that the vaccine is effective. Rise in overall cases, very little change in the number of deaths.

The case fatality rate really tells the tale and it is quite low despite the meteoric rise in aggregate cases. And while this only does talk about deaths, there should be a coorelation between deaths and those who survive with complications making this a useful metric.

6-18003 · **Joined:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:31 am **Posts:** 728

I don’t see how you can trust the death count. I believe it was the CDC who came out a few months ago and said the true number of covid-only deaths was a fraction of what was reported. I’m talking 10% or less. But of course this is what happens when you incentivize covid positive reporting.

I don’t think anyone can say anything with absolute certainty about the pandemic. We have seen conflicting data, improperly recorded data, shoddy scientific process, etc., etc. And even though natural immunity has (supposedly) been shown to be superior to vaxxed immunity (if there is such a thing), they do not test anyone for antibodies before you get the jab.

The whole thing has been botched from A to Z, and that includes your tax dollars that created this mess in a Wuhan lab in the first place.

Bobulltech · **Joined:** Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:24 pm **Posts:** 139

jayrod wrote:

Bobulltech wrote:

Where I live there have been countless dozens of deaths from astrazeneca, documented investigated and indictments from the public prosecutor...

I know this is getting way off topic (sorry). I’d be interested in reading more about this.I don’t follow AstraZeneca but I’m aware of 9 deaths in Australia and 32 in Great Britain from blood clots out of I don’t know how many millions. That seems a pretty low number and very much worth the gamble compared to the virus.

Randy Hees · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:54 pm

This is very off topic... on topic would be how to follow FRA/TSA rules... issues we are having follow said rules... changes in railroad car A/C filters to reduce transmission.

Continued debate about the virus, transmission rates, variations, and arguments about mask effectivness are not railroad preservation relaited... and are not welcome. Locking is always an option.

Your always friendly moderator...

jayrod · **Posted:** Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:39 pm

Sorry about that. Should have inquired via PM.