LOL That is so funny. I'm glad I wasn't drinking my coffee when I read that.

There's dozens of topics the rightists believe in BECAUSE... Tax cuts for the rich will tinkle down. It's good to destroy the Separation of Church and State because My Religion is the right one. Tariffs really hurt China.

E Pluribus Unum

Anyways, back to this topic.

My concern has to do with the how and why of this Judge's decision. For starters the judge was rated as not qualified by the American Bar Association when she was first nominated. I'm not aware that the ABA belongs to the leftist tribe.

The judge appears to have ignored many many years of legal precedent in whitewashing her preconceived belief. The very definition of an activist judge.


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... sanitation


So when a Rails to Trails group come gunning for your right of way and judge shops for someone who will ignore legal precedent, I don't want to hear how tribal beliefs are involved.

Brian

ps. Risky click of the day:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... le-tanning

It pays to have a sense of humor.

I know they are not as informed as a guy who posts on a political charged topic, I mean railway preservation, website but the Mayo Clinic disagrees with you.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

As for the rest of your rambling, you seem to be displacing your anger.

With that I will conclude my little experiment. In another topic, MailMech3 asks if people can get Back to Basics of steam locomotive maintenance. While there have been some informative and helpful responses, it is fairly quiet for a topic that this group should know a lot about. On the other hand, dragging people into a useless debate about something none of us have any power over and people dive right in with fervor. Way to go RYPN.

Roger

Roger,

Thanks for the credit. I started that thread because as I have traveled around a bit and visited different organizations I have seen and heard things that do slightly worry me with how things are being done. I know a certain way to do things, however I would like to know the “best” way, or most responsible way, before I teach others. I am young and getting into the hobby. It is hard for someone like me to go up to an organization and say “you’re wrong” without knowing the best way to do things.
I’m a little frustrated that threads like this one. Or the ones beating a dead horse aka the Rimmasch/WRC soap opera, get more attention than the positive threads that have been tried and forgotten about.

I’ve tried to put a stop to those by calling people out or whatever. Because of that people always suspect I must be Rimmasch. But I am not. I am just someone young who is tired of the BS that i see on here. Yes I’ve added to it a bit but that’s because I’m so sick of the bs. Oh well.

Guess people can go on suspecting who I am, it’s kind of fun that way. I don’t post my name on here because I don’t feel comfortable with that. Im nothing special, so that’s that.

There is an old trial lawyers’ saying “When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law. When neither is on you side, pound the table.”

You (and NPR as well) are pounding the table.

The law and facts are on the side of overturning the mandate.

One can always "shop around" to find an "expert in the field" to support some contention or another. It has long been argued that this is precisely the modus operandi of the news department of NPR and PBS: Report on a story (selected because it fits the interests of a leftist audience), then find an "expert" to interview to support the "leftist" view on the subject as the "absolute word" on the topic, without interviewing a "dissenting" viewpoint if they can get away without doing so. (Listen to NPR's news programming with a skeptical and neutral ear for long enough, and the practice will be self-evident.)

In this case, NPR runs out to find experts disapproving of the justice's decision based on one sweeping 1944 law, hyperfocusing on ONE WORD, and then adds an accompanying article profiling the justice negatively. That's pounding the table while ignoring BOTH the "facts" and the "law" and "shooting the messenger."

Instead, there's a broader case to be made (and has been made, repeatedly over the decades) that the Public Health Service Act is an unconstitutional overreach of legislative and executive authority, in violation of the Tenth Amendment. It was, for example, how many justified the passage and continued existence of the "Obamacare" Affordable Care Act.

What every aspects of the TSA transportation mask mandate has boiled down to is this: Does the Federal government have the right and authority to issue such a sweeping order? If not, can it empower itself to do so in the case of a national emergency such as a war, pandemic, or giant meteor?

Your answer to that question probably tells where you lie on the political spectrum. And it's a discussion that won't "end well" in a forum like this. So drop it, at least here.

As for my opinion? The mere fact that the Public Health Services Act was passed both in wartime and under the administration of the most "socialist" president we ever had, who had many of his other "signature" executive and legislative actions overturned as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, instantly renders it suspect from the get-go.........

Which of the two threads did you choose to participate in?

Good riddance. Those masks are totally useless. Considering cigarette smoke (which we can visibly see) will easily penetrate any of those masks and go up your nose. A microbe a million times smaller is going to pass through it with little resistance. Lets not forget the two gaping holes on either side of the nose the mask doesn't cover. You can also get infected through your eyes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7882915/

So unless you are wearing a full face respirator you are not doing a whole lot. At this point there needs to be two people in this world. Those who are ready to move on with our life and accept there is a 99.9% chance we are going to survive this. And those who are going to drive alone in their cars with their masks on.

The CDC is pursuing an appeal of the justice's decision to vacate the mask mandate:

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022 ... ation.html

NBC:


Some of the online punditry suggests that the motive for appeal has less to do with the actual mandate than it does with protecting the arbitrarily-claimed power of the CDC to have authority over issuing mandates absent Congressional cooperation via legislation.......

LOL That is so funny. I'm glad I wasn't drinking my coffee when I read that.

1998 and AOL called. They want their shorthand back.


There's dozens of topics the rightists believe in BECAUSE... Tax cuts for the rich will tinkle down.

No, that's not why economically literate believe in tax cuts for the "rich". It's about the marginal cost of capital and perverse incentives. Of course under the present arrangement, it's almost impossible to have tax cuts for the "poor", since 57% of Americans pay no taxes at all and some get free money courtesy of the EITC. If you like that, you can thank Milton Friedman, who fathered it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/25/57perce ... study.html

It's good to destroy the Separation of Church and State because My Religion is the right one. Tariffs really hurt China.

"Separation of Church and State" is a slogan, largely devoid of objective meaning. It doesn't mean what you think it means, apparently.

Tariffs are not a province of the right. For decades, unions supported tariffs to prevent the importation of goods made with cheaper labor. Tariffs are like any other tax, they have distortionary effects. I have no special affection or disaffection for them.

E Pluribus Unum

You have some problem with the slogan on coins and currency.


Anyways, back to this topic.


My concern has to do with the how and why of this Judge's decision. For starters the judge was rated as not qualified by the American Bar Association when she was first nominated.

The ABA is a private organization, no more dedicated to the public that the National Association of Automobile Dealers represents the public. They are free to express an opinion, but we're free not to care.


In case you are wondering what is required to be a federal judge, even an SCOTUS judge, meet James F. Byrnes. Judge Byrnes was appointed as a Supreme Court Justice by FDR.

He didn't have the now obligatory Harvard/Yale Law Degree.
He didn't have a lesser law degree.
He didn't have any college degree.
He didn't have a high school diploma.

I'm not aware that the ABA belongs to the leftist tribe.

Now it's my turn to spit coffee. You can't be that dense.

The judge appears to have ignored many many years of legal precedent in whitewashing her preconceived belief. The very definition of an activist judge.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... sanitation

Next you'll tell us NPR doesn't belong to the leftist tribe. As for ignoring legal precedent, research Minersville v. Gobitis. (yes the home of 113). It was reversed three years later, with some judges switching sides. South Dakota v. Wayfair, Inc.,(2018) reversed Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, (1992). And in 1944 the United States V. The South-Eastern Underwriters Association reversed the 1869 Paul v. Virginia.


So when a Rails to Trails group come gunning for your right of way and judge shops for someone who will ignore legal precedent, I don't want to hear how tribal beliefs are involved.

That's not the matter at hand. but I guess your mind wanders, even when you publicly announce confining it

I know they are not as informed as a guy who posts on a political charged topic, I mean railway preservation, website but the Mayo Clinic disagrees with you.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

As for the rest of your rambling, you seem to be displacing your anger.

Notice the assertion of anger (emotion, note my observation leftists emote-addendum they assume everybody else does as well). I'm sorry, but if I have an emotional undercurrent here, it's pity. I'm also a bit frightened that you might be in a safety sensitive environments.

You guys think masks work? Prove it. Skip the N95, face shield, and full body PPE and walk into a Covid patients room.

And if you want a url urinating match, I'm always up for that.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/mas ... ial-policy

Hmm, ....

I guess the concept of just letting the people decide for themselves if they want to wear a mask or not is just too hard of a concept to grasp for the bureaucrats in Washington D.C.

Sad, and unfortunately true. ....

I think what astounds me the most is automatically assuming anyone who disagrees with you is a leftist. Yikes.

What's amazing to me is that there appears to be enough doubters out there that we continue to have these debates when the facts make it crystal clear which way to go.

The CDC has spent an enormous amount of money studying this Covid monster and has complied the following figures which you've seen numerous times.

You are 16 times more likely to die from Covid if unvaccinated vs. 2 shots.

You are 41 times more likely to die from Covid if unvaccinated vs. 2 shots plus booster

Approx. 96 % of the 7,500 who have died from Covid in the last 2 weeks were unvaccinated.

Your chances of contracting Covid are 11 times greater umasked vs. a common cloth one in an indoor setting.

Your chances of contracting Covid are 39 times greater unmasked vs. an N 95 mask
in an indoor setting.

If after learning those odds you still want to be a member of the deniers club well, all I can say is enjoy your remaining time on earth.

Sad but true. Ross Rowland

I want to see a "sad but true" competition between ross and eric, since they like to use the dumb saying for every damn thing.

Anybody here want to talk about railway preservation? I thought that's what this forum was about.

Understand that vast majority of those opposed to mask restrictions are opposed to increased governmental control and government overstep period. That's an entirely different debate and has nothing to do with the science or CDC recommendations. The bickering back and forth over the effectiveness of masks gets us no where and definitely has no place on this forum.

What I'd like to know is how an extended mask mandate or lack thereof will affect the railway preservation industry? Are tourist railroads eager to drop masking or will most consider holding onto it as their own policy? Most folks around me are eager to be done with masks for good, but I also know that the tourist railroad audience has a higher percentage of older, at risk customers. Are mask mandates vs. non-masks being factored into the 2022 sales projections at all and if so, which way?

If we are going to talk about masks, let's at least talk about how it affects railway preservation. The rest of the debate does not belong here and we aren't going to solve America's social divide on RYPN.