Kinzua Viaduct Collapses

Erik Ledbetter · **Posted:** Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:19 am

> Wasn't the Knox & Kane running over that
> bridge up until a couple of years ago?

Yes, until Summer of 2002, when the State inspectors closed it to rail traffic.

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George Kaplan · **Posted:** Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:24 am

A book on the Phoenix Bridge Co. says the original Kinzua bridge was made of iron. Then it was replaced in 1900 by a steel one.
While it was in business, Phoenix had its share of collapsed bridge disasters.

ge13031 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:59 am

>Phoenix had its
> share of collapsed bridge disasters.

As more and more pictures of the rotted out sections become available I see a great similarity with the L&WV derelict bridge (1906) over the Black River in Lorain,OH. Bridges in the woods collect a lot of leaves that hold the water and guarantee accelerated corrosion down in the lower sections of the structure. Our bridge inspector recommended clear cutting to the ROW line to try to help the situation. It looks like the area around the Kinzua bridge is fresh growth brush but how long did that baby sit surrounded by trees?

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Steve Gilbert · **Posted:** Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:18 pm

> The Erie also had two other notable
> "bridges":

> Moodna Viaduct in New York State on the
> Graham Line (you can ride a NJ Transit train
> over it 7 days a week)

This steel bridge is on the line travelled by the 614 trips out of Hoboken in the '90s, and may be seen on the various videos.

Scott · **Posted:** Wed Jul 23, 2003 11:26 pm

Yes, for many years trees grew around the base. I don't think it will be rebuilt, but it would be nice to see the existing piers be stabilized(should not be hard since each pier is independant). Install a WYE and put in some interperative exhibts and the historical excurion (Knox Kane and Kinzua) can be be saved. Glad I had the chance to walk across and below several years ago.

Thomas Manz · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:39 am

> The Erie also had two other notable
> "bridges":

> Moodna Viaduct in New York State on the
> Graham Line (you can ride a NJ Transit train
> over it 7 days a week)

> Starrucca Viaduct near Susquehanna, PA (the
> D&H Penn Division is gone from
> underneath, but between NS and NYS&W a
> train crosses over it every day)

I should have made the distinction. Starucca's stone construction puts it in a completely different category. Is Moodna masonry or steel?

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Tim Stuy · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2003 9:44 am

> I should have made the distinction.
> Starucca's stone construction puts it in a
> completely different category. Is Moodna
> masonry or steel?

Moodna is steel. Here is a shot of C&O 614 crossing it.

Moodna Viaduct

Mike142 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:26 am

> And hopefully in better condition since NS
> and CP trains use it every day!

> The Erie also had two other notable
> "bridges":

> Moodna Viaduct in New York State on the
> Graham Line (you can ride a NJ Transit train
> over it 7 days a w
> Starrucca Viaduct near Susquehanna, PA (the
> D&H Penn Division is gone from
> underneath, but between NS and NYS&W a
> train crosses over it every day)

How old is Moodna?

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