> However, I think the most likely rebuild
> prospect for a CB&Q 4-6-4 would be #3007
> at the Illinois Railway Museum.

Kevin:

Is 3007 the S-4 that was at the (now) Amtrak depot
in Galesburg, IL?

Maybe I'm confused.

Scott

shawsinoly@aol.com

> Kevin:

> Is 3007 the S-4 that was at the (now) Amtrak
> depot
> in Galesburg, IL?

> Maybe I'm confused.

> Scott

Scott,
3006 is the "Q" Hudson which is proudly displayed by the railroad museum in Galesburg. 3007 was originally donated to the City of Quincy, IL, and displayed on a small island in the Mississippi River. It then became one of the unloved and unwanted and ended up being saved by a gentleman in Griggsville, IL, (on the old Wabash) who was an authority concerning Purple Martins (birds, NOT gas stations!). He housed his collection in an assortment of passenger cars painted, what else?......PURPLE! The locomotive then moved on to Atlantic, IA, with a number of the passenger cars and was displayed facing I-80 alongside a former Rock Island branch on which excursions were proposed with a smaller locomotive but which never materialized. When this bubble burst, IRM thankfully stepped in but not without their own controversy over the price and authority to spend the money, and the locomotive was saved for posterity. I'd be happy to see any of the remaining five "Q" Hudsons under steam.

Don C.

http://www.261.com
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> Scott,
> 3006 is the "Q" Hudson which is
> proudly displayed by the railroad museum in
> Galesburg. 3007 was originally donated to
> the City of Quincy, IL, and displayed on a
> small island in the Mississippi River. It
> then became one of the unloved and unwanted
> and ended up being saved by a gentleman in
> Griggsville, IL, (on the old Wabash) who was
> an authority concerning Purple Martins
> (birds, NOT gas stations!). He housed his
> collection in an assortment of passenger
> cars painted, what else?......PURPLE! The
> locomotive then moved on to Atlantic, IA,
> with a number of the passenger cars and was
> displayed facing I-80 alongside a former
> Rock Island branch on which excursions were
> proposed with a smaller locomotive but which
> never materialized. When this bubble burst,
> IRM thankfully stepped in but not without
> their own controversy over the price and
> authority to spend the money, and the
> locomotive was saved for posterity. I'd be
> happy to see any of the remaining five
> "Q" Hudsons under steam.

> Don C.

Don:

I'd second that! But I would be happy to see ANY Burlington engine under steam; S4, O5, O1 or even a 4-6-0. BTW, former O1a #4960 doesn't count as it no longer has the appearance of a Burlington engine.

Les Beckman (Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum/North Judson, Indiana)

midlandblb@cs.com

Don---
Heres what really happened. When the 3007 was in Quincy it was far from unloved and unwanted and it wasn't saved by the gentleman from Griggsville, Ill, he used good old fashioned Illinois politics and aced IRM out of it. As a matter of fact IRM asked the park district for it back in the days when Dave Conrad was the IRM Steam Dept Supt.. After he left I continued to monitor the 3007 as well as other Q Hudsons (Ottumwa's and LaCrosse, we tried for Galesburg's but thats another story) because we wanted one for our collection. About every 6 months I would call on the engines inquiring about their status and reaffirming our interest. Several months after calling on the 3007 I heard that it had been sold. When I called the park district and inquired about the rumor I was told that yes indeed it had been sold and that they never called us because they didn'tthink that we could afford to purchase it. The sale price--a lousy $4,000. We were prepared to go much higher than that. Come to find out several years later that the fix was in and we never would have got it as the gentleman who saved it was friends with influential people in Quincy.
Quincy and Griggsville are not too far from each other in downstate western Illinois and seeing as IRM is considered a 'Chicago' museum (even tho we are in a rural town --600 population 65 miles from the Loop) there probably never was a chance to get it when a 'local' boy wants it. If nothing elso IRM has caused many a park engine to get a coat of paint put on it because we asked for it. That's what happened in Galesburg, Ottumwa, and LaCrosse, locals rose to the occasion to save their heritage from going to that Chicago museum. How Ironic that in 1995 we came full circle in our pursuit of the 3007 when I was bidding for it at the auction in Atlantic. And yes its true that we finally got a Q Hudson but not without controversy (thats another story) here's the real one to ponder in the woulda, coulda, shoulda department and the possibilities. The other two bidders who were in there close to the end (and consequently ran the price up) were Jerry Jacobson who dropped first, then John Baldwin who was bidding on behalf of John Larkin. To quote Paul Harvey...'and now you know the rest of the story"

nkallas@irm.org

> Don---
> Heres what really happened. When the 3007
> was in Quincy it was far from unloved and
> unwanted and it wasn't saved by the
> gentleman from Griggsville, Ill, he used
> good old fashioned Illinois politics and
> aced IRM out of it. As a matter of fact IRM
> asked the park district for it back in the
> days when Dave Conrad was the IRM Steam Dept
> Supt.. After he left I continued to monitor
> the 3007 as well as other Q Hudsons
> (Ottumwa's and LaCrosse, we tried for
> Galesburg's but thats another story) because
> we wanted one for our collection. About
> every 6 months I would call on the engines
> inquiring about their status and reaffirming
> our interest. Several months after calling
> on the 3007 I heard that it had been sold.
> When I called the park district and inquired
> about the rumor I was told that yes indeed
> it had been sold and that they never called
> us because they didn'tthink that we could
> afford to purchase it. The sale price--a
> lousy $4,000. We were prepared to go much
> higher than that. Come to find out several
> years later that the fix was in and we never
> would have got it as the gentleman who saved
> it was friends with influential people in
> Quincy.
> Quincy and Griggsville are not too far from
> each other in downstate western Illinois and
> seeing as IRM is considered a 'Chicago'
> museum (even tho we are in a rural town
> --600 population 65 miles from the Loop)
> there probably never was a chance to get it
> when a 'local' boy wants it. If nothing elso
> IRM has caused many a park engine to get a
> coat of paint put on it because we asked for
> it. That's what happened in Galesburg,
> Ottumwa, and LaCrosse, locals rose to the
> occasion to save their heritage from going
> to that Chicago museum. How Ironic that in
> 1995 we came full circle in our pursuit of
> the 3007 when I was bidding for it at the
> auction in Atlantic. And yes its true that
> we finally got a Q Hudson but not without
> controversy (thats another story) here's the
> real one to ponder in the woulda, coulda,
> shoulda department and the possibilities.
> The other two bidders who were in there
> close to the end (and consequently ran the
> price up) were Jerry Jacobson who dropped
> first, then John Baldwin who was bidding on
> behalf of John Larkin. To quote Paul
> Harvey...'and now you know the rest of the
> story"

Nick:

Thanks for the insight. A very interesting story; maybe Paul Harvey would be interested (Page 3?)

Les Beckman (HVRM)


midlandblb@cs.com

> Nick:

> Thanks for the insight. A very interesting
> story; maybe Paul Harvey would be interested
> (Page 3?)

> Les Beckman (HVRM)

Nick,
Ah, politics, even when it comes to park engines. Nothing like having someone running the price up needlessly when a deserving group wants to preserve it but doesn't need to get into a bidding war. A rhetorical question, what else could IRM have preserved or put back into operation if they could have secured #3007 for the original $4,000 price? The thought of the OCHR getting the locomotive sure brings a lot of "what ifs" into the equation. Might we have a Hudson operating in Ohio today in lieu of a Northern....?

Don C.

http://www.261.com
milw261@sbcglobal.net

Don--
Answer to your rhetorical question. Back in '74-'75 we made a proposal to the city of Galesburg for the 3006 to be used as power for the "Illinois Bicentennial Train". As part of that proposal the 3006 would be restored back to operation, be given to IRM and kept at Union but would be sent back to Galesburg for any civic celebrations they could arrange for. Kind of a win-win situation. Well if that would have happened IRM wouldn't have been interested in the 3007, and if Jerry bought it at the auction years later it's possible that 2 Q Hudsons would be running. At the auction Jerry told me he would get it running if he got it. so the answer to your rhetorical question is Yes a Hudson might be operating in Ohio today as well as one in Illinois. Back to reality. The auction got down to a 3 man race as the price got higher. Jerry dropped out first. It was now down to IRM and John Baldwin bidding for John Larkin who was on the cell phone telling him what to do. If IRM dropped out and John was the winning bidder its possible that in order to see the 3007 today you would have to make an appointment.

> Ah, politics, even when it comes to park
> engines. Nothing like having someone running
> the price up needlessly when a deserving
> group wants to preserve it but doesn't need
> to get into a bidding war. A rhetorical
> question, what else could IRM have preserved
> or put back into operation if they could
> have secured #3007 for the original $4,000
> price? The thought of the OCHR getting the
> locomotive sure brings a lot of "what
> ifs" into the equation. Might we have a
> Hudson operating in Ohio today in lieu of a
> Northern....?

> Don C.


nkallas@irm.org