> Mexicano 218 at Nogales, Sonora, on display.
> These are essentially the same design
> (UNRRA) 2-8-0s that also went to Belgium,
> China and Jamaica.

Bob:

Thanks for the reply. So there are apparently two of these UNRRA design 2-8-0's preserved in Mexico; #212 and #218. But now you have brought up three other countries. Were these others all built be Baldwin too? How many were sent to each destination? Are any still in existance there? Anybody know?

Les

midlandblb@cs.com

The majority of the equipment that was there belonged to the Midwest Central Railroad, which is still operating there. So I assume that, with the exception of the privately owned stuff brought in for contract repair, it's probably mostly still there. I'll have to get back there and check sometime.

Boyd


bowens@rypn.org

Yes Bob, that is my understanding as well.

Sincerely,
Glenn

> I think it was Coahuila y
> Zacatecas No. 1, a 2-8-0 that sat at about
> three sites in Southern California before
> going to Iowa. I think it is one of about
> five CyZ engines extant.


christensenge@yahoo.com

> In time the passenger cars went to the
> Huckleberry. I believe the freight cars and
> the caboose also went there.

its interesting to note that one of those passenger cars was a true gem - it is possibly the sole remaining coach from the the Catskill Mountain Railway, which ran from Catskill, NY to Palenville and Cairo, NY. The Huckleberry had returned her to beautiful operating condition the last time I visited.

Best regards,
Glenn

christensenge@yahoo.com

1. KD7 534 (don't know who the builder is, built 1947) was at Kangzhuang shed, Beijing, Hebei Province; and is/will be moved to the new railway museum in Beijing.

2. There were a pair of 29 class 2-8-0s being used as stationary boilers in Louvain, Belgium. I don't know if they are the 1945 batch built by Montreal Locomotives Works (of which preserved 29.013 in the Belgium National Railways Museum, Louvain is an example) or the Baldwin built ones from 1946-47. It is also believed that they were scrapped.

3. I believe that US Army #610 at the TVRM was built from parts for a UNRRA locomotive, and not the USRA S-160s built during the war; since dimensionaly it is slightly different from an S-160.

They are of course very similiar to the S-160s built for the USRA during the war, of which examples still exist in the USA, UK, Belguim, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Serbia, and China. The firm of Duro Dakovic Industrija Lokomotiva in former Yugoslavia also built "clones" of the S-160s, just as they built copies of the USRA 0-6-0T engines, and at least one of these is still around as well.

Like the MacArthurs discussed earlier and the German "Kreigsloks", it became a standard design found across Europe and Asia long after the war ended.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

> Bob:

> Thanks for the reply. So there are
> apparently two of these UNRRA design 2-8-0's
> preserved in Mexico; #212 and #218. But now
> you have brought up three other countries.
> Were these others all built be Baldwin too?
> How many were sent to each destination? Are
> any still in existance there? Anybody know?

> Les


Surviving World Steam Project
james@survivingworldsteam.com

One of these engines sat in some guy's back yard at Mt Pleasant,TEXAS just off I 30 in the early 80's. It was an aborted project called "The Rairoaders Memorial Museum." I believe that that particular engine wound up somewhere in Colorado (Longmont,maybe).

I Painted and lettered the C y Z No.1 soon after it was rescued from a restaurant demolition in the LA area back in 1986. It was hauled to PSRM at Campo, CA, where the work was done. The little 1897 Baldwin had a slope backed tender and complete Stephenson gear. The cab had been stripped and the bell, whistle, builders plates and other collectables had been stolen long before PSRM got it. I found the original lettering under layers of goofy restaurant paint, including some nifty pin stripes on the tender and cab sides. All of this was put back on the engine in its proper place. I can find pictures of this engine while at PSRM if anyone is interested. I'd sure like to see a picture of what it looks like now if the rumors of its continued existence are true.
Larry Rose

> The 2-8-0 was one of three locomotives
> brought up from Mexico in 1965. They came up
> from the CyZ along with some fright cars.
> Also imported were some passenger cars from
> the Yucatan. The intention was to operate a
> steam powered line in a county part near
> Pomona, California. This project never got
> going and the equipment was dispersed.

> The three engines initially went to a local
> chain of restaurants called "The loose
> caboose." The engines were:

> #1 2-8-0 BLW #15435 8/97
> #6 4-6-0 BLW #24252 5/04
> #12 2-8-0 BLW #35990 1/11

> When the restaurants closed the engines went
> various ways.

> In time the passenger cars went to the
> Huckleberry. I believe the freight cars and
> the caboose also went there.

> See the old Pacific News #44 from April 1965
> for the story of the equipment coming up
> from Mexico.

> Brian Norden


railrose@aol.com

Larry;

According to my records; all three are still around:

#1 is Mt Pleasant, as mentioned previously
#6 is in Menifee Valley, CA; no further details
#12 is Colorado Central Station Casino, Blackhawk, CO. I believe both www.steamlocomotive.com and www.steamlocomotive.info have pictures of it; it was cosmetically restored a few years ago IIRC.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

> I Painted and lettered the C y Z No.1 soon
> after it was rescued from a restaurant
> demolition in the LA area back in 1986. It
> was hauled to PSRM at Campo, CA, where the
> work was done. The little 1897 Baldwin had a
> slope backed tender and complete Stephenson
> gear. The cab had been stripped and the
> bell, whistle, builders plates and other
> collectables had been stolen long before
> PSRM got it. I found the original lettering
> under layers of goofy restaurant paint,
> including some nifty pin stripes on the
> tender and cab sides. All of this was put
> back on the engine in its proper place. I
> can find pictures of this engine while at
> PSRM if anyone is interested. I'd sure like
> to see a picture of what it looks like now
> if the rumors of its continued existence are
> true.
> Larry Rose


Surviving World Steam Project
james@survivingworldsteam.com

> #1 is Mt Pleasant, as mentioned previously
> #6 is in Menifee Valley, CA; no further details
> #12 is Colorado Central Station Casino, Blackhawk, CO.

Last I knew #6 is still in the Meifee Valley. This is about 15 miles south of Orange Empire. I've been told where the engine is located and a few years ago I was by the property. The engine and the buildings set back about 1/4 mile from the public road.

Brian Norden

I think we'd all like to see a photo if someone has one. No. 6 is unusual in that it was built as a 4-6-2 Pacific, then rebuilt into a ten wheeler.

> Last I knew #6 is still in the Meifee
> Valley. This is about 15 miles south of
> Orange Empire. I've been told where the
> engine is located and a few years ago I was
> by the property. The engine and the
> buildings set back about 1/4 mile from the
> public road.

> Brian Norden


ryarger@rypn.org

Looks like it was lettered for the Santa Fe for a time at Claremont. Was this at the restaurant?

http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=1430
ryarger@rypn.org

> Looks like it was lettered for the Santa Fe
> for a time at Claremont. Was this at the
> restaurant?

I believe it was. The restaurant was in the former station building. After the restaurant closed the engine was in a city park for a while and then sold private.

I have had someone tell me that the engine frame shows no signs of having been rebuilt and there are other differances from the builder's photo of the 4-6-2. To this persom it would seem that major changes happened -- maybe even going back to the builder (BLW) (??).

Brian Norden