Just to clear up the details on some of the previously mentioned cars:

2018 Tombigbee River was scrapped after the restaurant it was attached to burnt down in Clanton, AL.

If the SOU 10-6 sleeper in New Orleans, LA at LASTA was indeed 2002 Dan River, it was recently scrapped along with several other cars including a couple of other streamlined cars, a steel sheathed wooden combine, and a few IC MOW cars.

The Baggage/RPO in Vinings, GA is of WofA heritage with MOW number 7241. I am not sure how the "Chattahoochee River" plate got there.

Thanks, sou2404, for the info on the "Dan River" and "Tombigbee River"! Anyone know the former number of the #7241?

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

Coach list almost finished. Posting later today.

Tim,

The auction brochure had only 22 cars listed, plus the E-8 NGRR 6902 (sold $40K) and the GE 65 tonner (sold $7000) that had been Hartwell No. 1 and was the NGRR shop switcher. There was also an old flatcar, MKT 13797, that was listed in the brochure and was sold, so maybe that is car 23? That flat was there when I worked there and was supposed to have been scrapped years before, so it was a surprise it was still around for the auction. It and the L&N 1966 tender were bought by Metro Alloys of Atlanta. Several of us pitched in to buy the L&N 1966 tender from the scrapper after the auction so it could go to SERM. This was not listed in the auction brochure but was included in the separate Offering Statement.

I went back through the photos I took on auction day and discovered that a third car, not a SR car so another O/T item here, was also off trucks on jack stands for the auction. This was Amtrak 3228, ex-RF&P 6 dblBR-lounge Colonial Beach, renamed (by Amtrak) William Griffin, Jr., built ACF 1949. The photo I have shows it still in Amtrak paint, the wide red band over wide blue band separated by a narrow white band, whichever "phase" that is. Letter board is really long to accommodate the full name spelled out, and the name board has both the car number and name. According to my notes it went to Great Smoky Mountains Railroad for $2000.

I don't have any more info on the Budd twin-unit diner, but ETA indicated PRR so your memory seems quite good!

Maybe we should start a separate thread for the New Georgia Railroad equipment?

My list had what looks like 21 cars and two locomotives. Nothing on the list looks like the VA Beach but some of the info is a bit thin. I suspect that the VA beach was a Nippert car. IIRC TVRM, Spencer and New Georgia each got three 10&6s and one 5 (or 6) DBR Lounge car. We each also received several containers full of parts. In our case we got three and still have two although we removed the parts from them several years ago as part of an Eagle Scout project. The third container, which was mainly full of hardware, ruptured its roof and had the contents dumped (literally) on the floor of a box car.

I think we should work on Nippert and/or New Georgia cars next. Nippert collected the equivilant of the IP (well maybe not quite that much) and had the same idea. These were two of the largest collections of cars, outside of Amtrak, Sou, AUT or VIA to go on the market in the 1980/90s.

Tim Andrews

Part Two: Coaches

This posting consists of coaches from 12 different Lots:

52 seat coaches constructed in 1949 by Budd in Lot #9613-030:

A&WP #68. Wrecked in the trains #48 and #47 head-on collision at Woodstock, AL, on 11/25/1951. Subsequently scrapped.
A&WP #69. Wrecked in the trains #48 and #47 head-on collision at Woodstock, AL, on 11/25/1951. Subsequently scrapped.

52 seat coach constructed in 1949 by Budd in Lot #9613-030:

WofA #106 to Georgia Railroad in 1/1970 as GA #106. It had been reported on the Georgia Railroad-West Point Route group over on Yahoo! Finance that it had been scrapped at Waycross. Apparently it was sold (I don't know if there was another owner in between, S.S. Siykes maybe?) to Sea Rail Cruises and converted to a club lounge. It was then sold to VIA Rail (I don't know when) and numbered #159 until converted to HEP as #4004.

58 seat coach constructed in 1953 by Budd in Lot #9613-139:

Ordered by A&WP as the replacement for the wrecked #68 and #69.

A&WP #120 to Georgia Railroad in 1/1970 as GA #120. To Seaboard as track inspection-theatre car SBD #318. To CSX as CSXT #994318.

56 seat baggage coach constructed in 1947 by AC&F in Lot #2869:

Built for CofG. To SOU 6/1963.

CofG #390 to SOU #726 to NS in 1982 as #726 "William Perdy, Jr.". Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. Tuscan Red paint. Sold to Western Maryland Scenic Railroad in 199? as WMSR #726 "Man O'War" in Cumberland, MD. Was this car sold as part of the NS equipment auction, and when was that?

44 seat baggage coach constructed in 1947 by Budd in Lot #9615-012:

Built for CofG (assigned to the Man O'War). To SOU 6/1963.

CofG #391 "Fort Mitchell" to SOU #727. Donated by SOU in 1979 to Roanoke Chapter NRHS as RNRH #727 in Roanoke, VA. Used on SOU-NS steam excursions until 1991. Sold in 1994 to Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad as CVSR #727? in Independence, OH.

68 seat divided coaches constructed in 1947 by AC&F in Lot #2867:

Built for CofG. To SOU 6/1963.

CofG #540 rebuilt to 52 seat coach #670 in 19??. To SOU #670 sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1973? as AC #441. Renumbered to #2067.

CofG #541 rebuilt to 52 seat coach #671 in 19??. To SOU #671 sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1973? as AC #442. Sold to Friends of the 261-Northern Star Rails as NSRX #202 "Wenonah". Amtrak registration #800261. Painted in MILW Maroon & Orange and used on 261 excursions.

CofG #542 rebuilt to 52 seat coach #672 in 19??. To SOU #672 sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1973? as AC #443. Sold to Friends of the 261-Northern Star Rails as NSRX #203 "Nokomis". Amtrak registration #800898. Painted in MILW Maroon & Orange and used on 261 excursions.

CofG #543 rebuilt to 52 seat coach #543 in 19??. To SOU #907. To Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum as TVRM #907 in Chattanooga, TN. Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. Tuscan Red paint.

56 seat coaches constructed in 1947 by AC&F in Lot #2866:

Built for CofG (assigned to the City of Miami and the Nancy Hanks). To SOU 6/1963.

CofG #660 to SOU #660. No disposition information whatsoever.

CofG #661 to SOU #661 to NS in 1982 as #661. Sold to Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in 19?? as TVRM #661 in Chattanooga, TN. Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. Tuscan Red paint.

CofG #662 to SOU #662 to NS in 1982 as #662. Sold to Atlanta Chapter NRHS in 19?? as SMRX #662 in Duluth, GA, at their Southeastern Railway Museum. Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. Tuscan Red paint.

CofG #663 to SOU #663 sold to Algoma Central Railway in 1973 as AC #440. Sold to Wisconsin & Michigan in 199?. To Southern Appalachia Railway Museum in 1998 as SARX #663 in Oakridge, TN. Moved to Oakridge from storage in Minnesota in 2/2001.

54 seat coaches constructed in 1947 by Budd in Lot #9613-012:

Built for CofG (assigned to the Man O'War). To SOU 6/1963.

CofG #664 "Fort Oglethorpe" to SOU #664. To Amtrak in 1979 as #5485. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #522x? To private owner in 1989? To Southern Appalachia Railway Museum in 1990 as SARX #664 "Fort Oglethorpe" in Oak Ridge, TN. Used on NS steam excursions.

CofG #665 "Fort McPherson" to SOU #665. To Amtrak in 1979 as #5486. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5220. To private owner?? in 1989. To Illinois Transit Assembly as ITAX #5220. To Southern Appalachia Railway Museum in 1999 as SARX #665 "Fort McPherson" in Oak Ridge, TN.

52 seat divided coaches constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6646 to Plan #7457:

SOU #800 "South Carolina" to South Carolina Railroad Museum in 19?? as SCRM #800 in Winnsboro, SC.

SOU #801 "Maryland"
SOU #802 "Alabama"?
SOU #803 "Alabama"?
SOU #804 "Georgia"?

No disposition information on these four whatsoever.

SOU #805 "Georgia"? to Savannah History Museum as CofG #805 "Georgia".

Why two cars named "Alabama" and two cars named "Georgia"? Can anyone elaborate?

52 seat coaches constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6646 to Plan #7457:

SOU #806 "Huntsville"
SOU #807 "Buntyn"
SOU #808 "Sheffield"
SOU #809 "Radford"

No disposition information on these four whatsoever.

SOU #810 "Bristol" to display along the Wes Davis Greenway in Bristol, TN.

SOU #811 "Sweetwater" currently used as the local Chamber of Commerce office in Sweetwater, TN.

SOU #812 "Charlottesville" to Atlanta Chapter NRHS as SMRX #812 in Duluth, GA, at their Southeastern Railway Museum.

SOU #813 "Lynchburg"
SOU #814 "Roanoke"

No disposition information on these two whatsoever.

52 seat coaches constructed in 1949 by Budd in Lot #9613-030:

Assigned to the Tennessean and the Southerner, used as well on the Royal Palm. After the Royal Palm was cancelled in 1970, these coaches saw usage on the combined Crescent-Southerner.

SOU #815 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5277. Retired and sold at unknown date to Bluewater Michigan Chapter NRHS as BMCX #815 in Royal Oak, MI. Sold to Speno. Sold to Harsco-Pardol Jackson #122. Sold to VIA Rail and reconfigured to club lounge as #188. Converted to HEP as #4006.

SOU #816 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5278. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5200. Retired 1989. Disposition?

SOU #817 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5279. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5201. Retired and sold in 1989 to Denver Railcar (for use on Roaring Fork Railroad and the Acadian) as DRCX #5201. DRCX name unknown. Amtrak registration #800417. Sold to Inland Lakes Railway for Florida Rail Adventures as ILRV #8201 in Mount Dora, FL. Sold to Ben Butterworth-Mid America Railcar Leasing as MRLX #5201. Stored in Mount Dora as of 2005.

SOU #818. No disposition information whatsoever.

SOU #819 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5280. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5202. Retired and sold in 1989 to VIA Rail. (I don't know if there was a private owner in between: Sea Rail Cruises? S.S. Siykes? Bluewater Chapter?). VIA number unknown. Sold to Waldens Ridge Railroad as WRRX #819. Currently stored at Southern Appalachia Railway Museum in Oak Ridge, TN.

SOU #820 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5281. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5203. Retired and sold in 1989 to Denver Railcar (for use on Roaring Fork Railroad and the Acadian) as DRCX #5203. DRCX name unknown. Amtrak registration #800416. Current whereabouts?

SOU #821 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5282. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5204. Retired and sold in 1989 to Denver Railcar (for use on Roaring Fork Railroad and the Acadian) as DRCX #5204 "Spruce" with "Acadian" in the letterboards. Amtrak registration #800418. Current whereabouts?

SOU #822 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5283. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5205. Retired and sold in 1989 to Denver Railcar (for use on Roaring Fork Railroad and the Acadian) as DRCX #5205 "Silver Walnut" with "Acadian" in the letterboards. Amtrak registration #800445. Sold to Grand Canyon Railway as GCRX #5205 "Buckey O'Neill" in Williams, AZ.

SOU #823 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5284. Retired and sold in 3/1984 to restaurant. For sale on Illinois Transit Assembly website (a while back-before the Gateway name change) as ITAX #5284. Current whereabouts?

SOU #824 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5285. Retired and sold in 2/1985 to S.S. Siykes. Sold to Sea Rail Cruises. Sold to VIA Rail and reconfigured to club lounge as #139. Converted to HEP as #4001.

SOU #825 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5286. Retired and sold at unknown date to Speno. Sold to Harsco-Pardol Jackson as #22. Sold to Bluewater Michigan Chapter NRHS as BMCX #825 in Royal Oak, MI. Sold to Century New York Dining Car Company as #6068. Sold to Sea Rail Cruises as #6068. Sold to VIA Rail and reconfigured to club lounge as #155. Converted to HEP as #4002.

SOU #826 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5287. Retired and sold at unknown date to private owner?? For sale on Illinois Transit Assembly website (a while back-before the Gateway name change) as ITAX #5287. Current whereabouts?

SOU #827 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5288. Retired and sold in 1981 to Speno. To private owner?? For sale on Illinois Transit Assembly website (a while back-before the Gateway name change) as ITAX #5288. Current whereabouts?

SOU #828 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5289. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5206. Involved in a wreck in 1981 with heavy damage to the vestibule end of the car (crunched!!). Stored at Alaska shops until repair work was conducted during 1983 with the car back in service in 1984. Retired in 1989. Current whereabouts or scrapped??

SOU #829 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5290. Retired and sold in 10/1982 to private owner. To Bluewater Michigan Chapter NRHS as BMCX #829 in Royal Oak, MI. Donated to the Southern Appalachia Railway Museum in 2011 as SARX #829 in Oak Ridge, TN. Used on TVRM-NCTM-NS excursions.

SOU #830 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5291. Retired and sold at unknown date to Bluewater Michigan Chapter NRHS as BMCX #830 in Royal Oak, MI. Sold to Sea Rail Cruises as #830. Sold to VIA Rail and reconfigured to club lounge as #135. Converted to HEP as #4000.

SOU #831 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5292. Retired and sold in 6/1982 to unknown party. Current whereabouts?

SOU #832 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5293. Retired and sold in 10/1982 to unknown party. Current whereabouts?

SOU #833. Wrecked in the trains #48 and #47 head-on collision at Woodstock, AL, on 11/25/1951. Subsequently scrapped.

52 seat coaches constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3138:

SOU #834
SOU #835
SOU #836
SOU #837
SOU #838
SOU #839
SOU #840

No disposition information on these seven whatsoever.

52 seat coaches constructed in 1958 by P-S in Lot #W6991 to Plan #W52838:

These cars were built as unfinished shells at Pullman's Osgood-Bradley plant in Worcester, Massachusetts (hence the "W" designation in the Lot and Plan numbers). The shells were delivered to SOU for final assembly. Sold to Amtrak in 1979 and reacquired by NS in 2/1982 for the steam excursions.

SOU #841 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5294. Retired and sold to NS in 2/1982 as #841 "Royal Palm". Used on steam excursions. Tuscan Red paint. Sold to Great Smoky Mountains Railroad as GSMR #841 "Royal Palm" in Bryson City, NC.

SOU #842 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5295. Retired and sold to NS in 2/1982 as #842 "Southerner". Used on steam excursions. Tuscan Red paint. Sold to NYS&W as #535 "Southerner".

SOU #843 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5296. Retired and sold to NS in 2/1982 as #843 "Crescent". Used on steam excursions. Tuscan Red paint. Sold to NYS&W as #536 "Crescent". Sold to New York & Greenwood Lake as NYGL #536 "Crescent" in Port Jervis, NY.

SOU #844 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5297. Retired and sold to NS in 2/1982 as #844 "Crescent". Used on steam excursions. Tuscan Red paint. Sold to Western Maryland Scenic Railroad as WMSR #844 "Crescent" in Cumberland, MD.

SOU #845 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5298. Retired and sold to NS in 2/1982 as #845 "Tennessean". Used on steam excursions. Tuscan Red paint. Sold to Western Maryland Scenic Railroad as WMSR #845 "Tennessean" in Cumberland, MD. Sold to Kentucky Railway Museum in New Haven, KY.

SOU #846 to Amtrak in 1979 as #5299. Retired and sold to NS in 2/1982 as #846. Parts source?? Sold to Ringling Brothers. When??

52 seat divided coaches constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6646 to Plan #7456:

SOU #900 "South Carolina"??
SOU #901 "South Carolina"??
SOU #902 "South Carolina"??
SOU #903 "Pulaski"
SOU #904 "Loudon"
SOU #905 "Morristown"

Why three cars named "South Carolina"? Can anyone elaborate?

No disposition information on these six whatsoever.

34 seat club lounge coaches constructed in 1949 by Budd in Lot #9621-030:

SOU #950 to Amtrak in 1979 as #3850. Retired and sold in 1980 to VIA Rail as #171. Reconfigured to coach and converted to HEP as #4110.

SOU #951 to Amtrak in 1979 as #3851. Retired and sold in 1980 to VIA Rail as #172. Reconfigured to coach and converted to HEP as #4111.

SOU #952 to Amtrak in 1979 as #3852. Retired and sold in 1980 to VIA Rail as #173. Reconfigured to coach and converted to HEP as #4112.

SOU #953 to Amtrak in 1979 as #3853. Retired and sold in 1980 to VIA Rail as #174. Reconfigured to coach and converted to HEP as #4113.

SOU #954 to Amtrak in 1979 as #3854. Retired and sold in 1980 to VIA Rail as #175. Reconfigured to coach and converted to HEP as #4114.

SOU #955 to Amtrak in 1979 as #3855. Retired and sold in 1980 to VIA Rail as #176. Reconfigured to coach and converted to HEP as #4115.

52 seat coach constructed in 1949 by Budd in Lot #9613-030:

FEC "Pahokee" sold to SAL in 1965 as #6265 to SCL as #5212 (not applied?) to Amtrak in 1971 as #5212. Reconfigured to 60 seat coach in 1974 as #6025. Retired and sold in 10/1983 to CP and reconfigured to crew dormitory as #65.

52 seat coaches constructed in 1949 by Budd in Lot #9613-030:

L&N #3250 to Amtrak in 1971 as #5213. Reconfigured to 60 seat coach in 1974 as #6067. Retired and sold 4/1983 to Arctic Storage. Sold to VIA Rail and reconfigured to club lounge as #179. Converted to HEP as #4005.

L&N #3251 to Amtrak in 1971 as #5214. Reconfigured to 60 seat coach in 1974 as #6068. Retired and sold 10/1981 to Indiana Hi Rail. Sold to Sea Rail Cruises. Sold to VIA Rail and reconfigured to club lounge as #158. Converted to HEP as #4003.

L&N #3252 involved in the trains #48 and #47 head-on collision at Woodstock, AL, on 11/25/1951. Reconfigured to 58 seat coach (same number). To Amtrak in 1971 as #5804. Sold at unknown date to VIA Rail as #152. Converted to HEP as #4102.

Pictures:

1. VIA #4004 in Brantford, ONT: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677754 (Aivo Merimets photo)

2. GA #120 in Atlanta: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3011636 (Jim Owens photo)

3. CSXT #994318 in Pensacola, FL: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3115821 (G Gerard photo)

4. NS #726 in Bellevue, OH: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2119190 (Charly Amidon photo)

5. SOU #727: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=590739 (Joseph Oates Collection)

6. NSRX #202 & #203: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3266/2570789029_33a8202205_b.jpg (Earl Leatherberry photo)

7. TVRM #907 in Chattanooga: http://www.railcarphotos.com/pix/38/TVRM%20907_Chattanooga%20TN_Joe%20Pusey_2008-06-07_38897.jpg (Joe Pusey photo)

8. TVRM #661 in Copperhill, TN: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=742168 (Robert Duncan Sr. photo)

9. SERX #662 in Atlanta: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=531522 (J. Williams photo)

10. SARX #663 in Oak Ridge: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=917074 (Kevin Owens photo)

11. SOU #664: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=556679 (B. MacGregor Collection)

12. SARX #665 in Oak Ridge: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1089945 (Robert Duncan Sr. photo)

13. SOU #800 in Rion, SC: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=929630 (Mike Stroud photo)

14. SOU #805 in Savannah: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2011988 (John Owens photo)

15. SOU #810 in Bristol, TN: http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/5/1/3/4513.1199840400.jpg (David Grizzle photo)

16. SOU #811 in Sweetwater, TN: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1377172 (Robert Duncan Sr. photo)

17. SOU #812 in Duluth: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2921991 (Doug Little photo)

18. VIA #4006 in Brantford, ONT: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2169431 (Richard Marchi photo)

19. ARR #5200: http://alaskarails.org/fp/passenger/pass-retired/arr5200-3-86.jpg (John Combs photo)

20. MRLX #5201 in Mount Dora, FL: http://alaskarails.org/fp/passenger/pass-retired/HV-5201.jpg (Hector Vazquez photo)

21. SOU #819 & #840 on the Crescent at NOUPT in July 1978: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=258050 (John Sita photo)

22. WRRX #819 in Oak Ridge: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2872920 (Stephie Kolata photo)

23. DRCX #5204: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1422913 (Richard Louderback photo)

24. GCRX #5205 in Williams, AZ: http://www.railcarphotos.com/pix/72/GCRX%205205_Williams%20AZ_Steven%20Vincent_2006-10-18_72833.jpg (Steven Vincent photo)

25. VIA #4001 in Woodstock, ONT: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1182615 (Doug Little photo)

26. VIA #4002 in Montreal: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3110772 (Richard Marchi photo)

27. SOU #826 on the Crescent at Atlanta's Peachtree Station in 8/1975: http://abpr.railfan.net/january99/01-10-99/southern826-coach-atlanta-aug75.jpg (Gary Morris photo)

28. ARR #5206 in storage after wreck in 1981: http://alaskarails.org/fp/passenger/pass-retired/SS-5206-1981-08-26.jpg (Stewart Sterling photo)

29. ARR #5206 undergoing wreck repair work in Anchorage in 1983: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3251784 (J Fischer photo)

30. ARR #5206 back in service in 1984: http://alaskarails.org/fp/passenger/pass-retired/JB-5206.jpg (John Benson photo)

31. SARX #829 with TVRM #907 in Asheville, NC: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3456907 (Jonathan Hinely photo)

32. VIA #4000 in Montreal: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2849692 (Richard Marchi photo)

33. SOU #835 on the Piedmont at Alexandria, VA: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2880796 (Frank A. Phillips Jr. photo)

34. SOU #840 at Washington Union Station: http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/passenger/sou840.jpg (Mel Lawrence photo)

35. GSMR #841 in Bryson City, NC: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=557165 (Jerry LaBoda photo)

36. NYS&W #535 in Waycross, GA: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1273678 (Max Linder photo)

37. NYGL #536 in Port Jervis, NY: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3457630 (Philip M. Goldstein photo)

38. WMSR #844 in Frostburg, MD: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=590776 (Russell Underwood photo)

39. WMSR #845 in New Haven, KY: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2292482 (James Hinman photo)

40. AMTK #5299 at NOUPT: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=755316 (James Sponholz photo)

41. VIA #4110 in Cobourg, ONT: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677806 (Aivo Merimets photo)

42. VIA #4111 in Montreal: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2545295 (Richard Marchi photo)

43. VIA #4112 in Montreal: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3084227 (Richard Marchi photo)

44. VIA #4113 in Brantford, ONT: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677823 (Aivo Merimets photo)

45. VIA #4114 in Montreal: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3110461 (Richard Marchi photo)

46. VIA #4115 in Montreal: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3084225 (Richard Marchi photo)

47. CP #65 in Montreal: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2855869 (Richard Marchi photo)

48. VIA #4005 in Dorval, QUE: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3426679 (Jim Sandilands photo)

49. VIA #4003 in Dorval, QUE: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2047690 (John McCluskey photo)

50. VIA #4102 in Brantford, ONT: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677766 (Aivo Merimets photo)

Sources:

1. Photographs located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

2. Numerous photographs located at: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/

3. Sleeper information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Amtrak information from "Amtak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon. Ordering information here: http://on-track-on-line.com/pdfs/orderform-otol.pdf

The 818 was wrecked and scrapped in the wreck of the Southern Crescent at Elma, VA on 12-3-1978.

The 826 was donated by Speno to the Southern Appalachia Railway Museum and subsequently sold to a private owner in Georgia. Not sure its current whereabouts.

The 827 was also donated by Speno to the Southern Appalachia Railway Museum. It was traded to Illinois Transit Assembly in exchange for former Central of Georgia/Southern coach 665 the Fort McPherson. This car has gone to scrap in the past 12 months.

The 828 is currently at Gateway Rail. Some of you might recall the car was missing its trucks and fluting on one side when it was auctioned off in San Antonio, Texas. The fluting is back on the car and the trucks are back under it. The vestibule was repaired sort off. There are no steps or doors if I recall. It was a very poor repair done with mild steel.

The 831 is the real mystery. I show that this car was sold to "Excursion Lines" in Rochester, New York. I spoke with someone up there many years ago that reported the car having gone to scrap. I was never able to confirm that and have never been able to find any further information or disposition. Anybody know what "Excursion Lines" was?

The 833 was not scrapped after the wreck in 1952. The roof was plated over with smooth stainless and the car lived to fight another day until it was finally destroyed in the wreck at Elma, VA on December 3, 1978. As a footnote, this was one of three cars where Southern or Budd plated the roof due to wreck damage. The other two being dining car 3869 and the CofG 665 Fort McPherson. The Forth McPherson is now the sole survivor of this group.

The 839 was wrecked and scrapped in 1952.

The rest of the ACF coaches went to the QNS&L Railway. Some or all of them were retired and put up for sale. No clue their current whereabouts.

The 846 was sold by Ringling to East Tennessee Rail Car and then went to the Station at Cedar Yard in Charlotte, NC. The car was gutted by Ringling. Last I saw the car it was in Star, North Carolina. With the modifications that have been made to it, the car might as well be cut up in my opinion.

SOU/CG 660 is in Meridian, MS. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2100120

And we have SOU 832, I believe, at TVRM. Came from Bluewater chapter.

As for multiple car names, the Tennessean and Southerner each had two dedicated train sets. Tennessean with names of cities along the way, which allowed for enough names. The Southerner named for states served, one car on each trainset, hence 2 or 3 cars, as some had backup. I believe this was carried over on the PRR cars built for the Southerner as well.

As for the Coach Lounges, they stayed at Amtrak until approximately 1991 or 1992. I was on all six of them at Beach Grove right before they were sold to VIA. The 952 was the only one that had been gutted. The rest of them were somewhat vandalized from being stored in New Orleans I think but they were all still in decent condition. I will go to my grave with deep regret that we were not able to save a single one of these cars.

We must have all been waiting by the keyboard. Several other chimed in while I was typing so there may be some duplicate info. Now where to begin.....
660 is at Queen and Crescent Chapter NRHS at Meridian Union Terminal
813 Lynchburg scrapped by TVRM sometime shortly after acquired in 1967. Like most of the 1941 PS cars the sides were falling off the cars when donated. Many have been scrapped and Southern scrapped the rest.
832 Bluewater, donated to TVRM
I show the 814 wrecked in 1955, 833 wrecked 12/3/78 and the 839 wrecked in 1952
834-838 and 840 to QNSL in 1979.
800 SC RR Museum
801 Old Dominion
802 CP Huntington
803 CP Huntington
804 Central Florida NRHS
805 Atlanta Chapter to a Rest. in Savannah
806 scrapped 1966
807 Scrapped 1966
808 Heart of Dixie
809 Scrapped Chatham Iron and Metal
810 Charleston Chapter NRHS to SC RR Museum
812 Atlanta Chapter
901 Scrapped 1966
902 Old Dominion Chapter
903 City of Roanoke
904 Scrapped Chatham Iron and Metal
905 Scrapped 1966

Tim Andrews

BTW don't forget the ACF built 3399 3899 Diner Lounges (unless I missed them on the Dining car list.

Lets see:

CofGa 540/2067 was scrapped on the Algoma Central

660 is in Meridian, MS at the depot

106 -- Its actually Rail-Sea Cruises -- and they never in serviced the car. It went direct to VIA from Waycross.

664 never went to Alaska RR. It was sold from Southern to the Speno RR Ballast Cleaning, later Pandrol Jackson who donated it to SARM.

826 was SOU to Speno/Pandrol to SARM to Private owner in Georgia, where it still is.

827 was SOU to Speno/Pandrol to SARM to Les Kasten To ITAX to Gateway to scrap last year. This was the trade bait for SARX to acquire 665.

834 to 840 (less one wrecked and scrapped) went to the QNS&L.

841 to 846 never went to Amtrak. 846 went to Bungling Bros., Snoring and Boring, 'er Ringling Bros. It was purchased by East Tennessee Rail Car then sold to The Station at Cedar Yard, Charlotte, NC, then to Private owner in North Carolina, and now at ACWR in Star, NC.

3252 the 1st was crunched at Woodstock, AL.
3252 the 2nd was a 1953 replacement (along with 120) this is the car that went to VIA

On a side note, and since we're including the rest of the C of G lightweights here, CofG 692 the "Fort Benning" lounge obs is now privately owned and is in Oak Ridge at SARM.

ETA

P.S. The only SOU Budds that Bluewater ever owned were the 829 and the 832. Somewhere I have a list of the ones that Speno/Pandrol bought -- I want to say 5 or 6 cars.

Two other notes to add. I was on the Georgia Railroad Budd 106 in the early 1990's while it was stored in Waycross. The car was in poor condition but was still salvageable. I am unaware that this car ever did anything but go straight to VIA. I could be wrong about that. It's a shame this car could not be saved given its history in mixed train service on the Georgia Railroad.

Not sure if it fits or not since the car never actually went to the Southern but Central of Georgia 692 the Fort Benning was sold to Patrick Hall who built the Carowinds Amusement Park in Charlotte, NC. He had the car modified on the inside to look like an 1850's president's car. It looked more like a French whorehouse to me but whatever. That car was later sold to a company called Melco Labs and was based at one time in Seattle, Washington. It was later sold to a shopping center development in downtown Yakima, Washington where it was used both as a retail shop. It was later moved one block down the street to serve as an office for the owner of the shopping development. Late in 2012 the car was purchased from the developer of the shopping center who by that time was in bankruptcy. The car is now owned by the Walden's Ridge Railroad Company in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. This car might well hold the record for being taken off and put back on live rail.

All of the Alaska RR cars (coaches) were sold to Denver Rail Car, DRCX. 665 as mentioned earlier went from DRCX to Les Kasten and the balance were sold at auction several years later. This includes 819, which in spite of the markings on the car was never owned or leased by VIA -- those markings were applied for a movie role.

ETA

The #905 "Morristown" was donated to the city of Morristown,Tn but city council could not agree on a display site and thus declined to accept the car.At least that is the story told around Morristown.

903 "Pulaski" went to the City of Roanoke as a display at the Roanoke Transportation Museum, VMT's predecessor, in the 1960's. It was scrapped in the early 1980's as a result of the usual condition of earlier PS built fluted cars, the sides were falling off. It was gone before the flood of 1985 and the move downtown.

Thanks to Tim Andrews, John Winkler, Steve Syfrett, Hayneshopcat, Gary Gray, ETA, David Wilkins, sou2404, and SR6900 for all the responses!



Thanks, ETA, for the clarification! Okay, so if that's the case, then why do pictures and roster lists have Amtrak numbers for all six? Were they leased to Amtrak between 1979 and 198x-something and received the #52xx-series numbers for that reason? The picture I had linked for the SOU #846 in the coach list posting was of the car at NOUPT with minimal Amtrak markings (blue number plate with #5299), but nothing else in the way of Amtrak paint, with all the Southern markings still clearly visible. Can anyone elaborate on when and if SOU coaches were used on Amtrak trains under lease, including #841-#846, and if the lease was limited to the Crescent? And were any of the Budd coaches (#815-#817 & #819-#832) only leased to Amtrak (with #52xx-series numbers)?



Thanks, ETA, for the clarification! I was wondering why one of the sources I was using said "Budd, 1953, built for L&N" for the #3252 and not "Budd, 1949, built for SOU pool service"! Guess the MKT (#1202 and #1202R, both named the "J. Pinckney Henderson") was not the only railroad to give replacement cars the same number as the wrecked cars they replaced! Did the L&N ever use an "R" or a similar designation to distinguish the two in company records or elsewhere to avoid confusion (despite the original #3252 already having been scrapped and stricken from the roster)?



So that's the history of one of the two Budd cars that made up that office! In that case, then the "Fort Benning" was parked with a former Alaska RR covered wagon (prime mover removed) and a Budd baggage/combine of some sort. They were located along the north-south alleyway (the former OWR&N/UP industrial track that they were moved on) in the block bordered by 1st & 2nd Ave (north-south streets) and Yakima Ave (downtown's main drag that used to have 2 YVTCo streetcar tracks) & MLK Blvd (east-west streets).

The locomotive shell and cars are clearly visible on Google Earth, but I had never noticed till now that the 2nd car was indeed a round-end observation! (Just as a side note, the current satellite image of Yakima on Google Earth is from 2013 and the "Fort Benning" is obviously not there anymore.) I had read somewhere that the two Budd cars like the engine had come from Alaska, but that's obviously not the case. I don't suppose anyone here knows the history of the baggage car? I've never had the time to go in person to investigate these cars, so this thread solves some of the mystery.

Thanks again to everyone who has responded!

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

Baggage, mail, dormitory, lounge, parlor, buffet, and dining cars will be coming in a later post.