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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:03 am 

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Now thousands of ventilators ahead of Ford, GM, and Tesla - Sandpoint's Percussionaire with their Mass Casualty, TXP 5. Non electric 100% pneumatic, ventilate all patient types. Runs on hospital wall gas, blended gas, tanks and compressors. FDA 510(k) clearance. Some being delivered by the Kodiak, our Sandpoint-made plane.

https://www.kxly.com/sandpoints-percussonaire-teams-up-with-daher-to-fly-1000-ventilators-to-california/?fbclid=IwAR3hopLM14JO3P1S_ltuy5IB40zomynNhutGgIrq1o28FzVgchOn6LRJOfE


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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:33 pm 

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So am I benighted in having spelled 'Percussionaire' wrong all these years, or is it reprehensible that a whole media story didn't bother to fact-check it?

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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:56 pm 

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Overmod wrote:
So am I benighted in having spelled 'Percussionaire' wrong all these years, or is it reprehensible that a whole media story didn't bother to fact-check it?


Mr. Ellsworth: Is this a question or comment? Would you re-state it (them) for me?

Here are the stats as best I can determine:

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/pe ... on-325666/

PERCUSSIONAIRE

Filed: May 7, 1984
Intrapulmonary Therapy Apparatus-Namely, Respirators and/or Ventilators and Structural Parts Therefor
Owned by: Percussionaire Corporation
Serial Number: 73479086

As of April 17:
Percussionaire shipped 400 last week, 600 this week of 1000 unit order to CA
https://gooddaysacramento.cbslocal.com/ ... r-airlift/

GM/Ventec has shipped about 54 units of 30,000
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/17/gm-de ... -contract/

Ford/Airon has shipped 0 of 50,000
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... -next-week

Tesla has shipped somewhere between 10 and 1100 depending on who you believe
https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/ar ... 206282.php

History will decide if like the GPW to the Willys MB, those brought in for mass production succeed in a better rig.


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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:26 pm 

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The story as posted consistently spelled the name of the company differently from the way I thought it was. I thought they, not I, were spelling it wrong, and was surprised not only that it passed proofreading and fact-check but continued to be linked from its source in that state.

As far as I know, the Percussionaire-equipped systems are among the only ones that should be relatively safe for patients with well-developed ARDS. It would be interesting to see comparative stats on the 'relative death rate' of patients using different mouthpieces on otherwise similarly-controlled respirators with similar supplemental oxygen.

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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:47 pm 

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Mr. Ellsworth,

OK - Understood.

I had the honor of spending some time around Dr. Bird and his wife who started our area's inventors club. His inventions were amazing; made with the best intents and proven effective. He took the time to listen and inspire new generations of innovators in a variety of fields.


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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm 

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Something that will doubtless be fascinating is the initial Ford/GE Healthcare rampup to produce Airon's product. If I have read the stories correctly, this should be producing initial line product starting today, April 20th, and has claimed to scale to 'thousands produced' in a quick timeframe thereafter -- the initial 'lessons learned' video discussion is already in production, and will be available here on the 22nd:

https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/3060535002468073996

I highly encourage those with interest to register and participate. I suspect there will be some highly interesting answers in the Q&A to pointed questions from people like Matt who understand both engineering rapid development and the 'things that matter' in designing ventilation to assist ARDS patients.

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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:29 pm 

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https://virginorbit.com/ventilators/


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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:28 pm 

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Ventilators may not help, more than 80% of the people put on them pass away: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... 020-4?op=1

However, as the article notes the people going on ventilators were already very ill, what is needed is a study of what percentage of people who would otherwise die are kept alive by ventilators. A lot of people are dying not from pneumonia but by some sort of unusual blood clotting, there have been reports of people needing legs amputated because of it (an actor as I recall among them).


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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:34 pm 

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It sounds like a couple places in NYC may need the shelving originally asked for of the Strasburg shops, and yesterday, not in a few days:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/bodies-st ... e-sources/


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 Post subject: Re: Ventilators, How Can We Help?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:40 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
It sounds like a couple places in NYC may need the shelving originally asked for of the Strasburg shops, and yesterday, not in a few days:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/bodies-st ... e-sources/

It apparently didn't occur to them to use a refrigerated semi trailer, you can order one delivered right to your street or parking lot, no questions asked, and they can maintain the temperature well below zero, just a bit noisy. I know of businesses that park them on a dock door and run them to cool their warehouse in the summer (a foundry in Denver comes to mind). No one will ever know that the trailer that brought their lettuce had corpses stored in them previously.


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