Missed This One:

361. Alabama (Lot #4998, Plan #3521J, 1926/38, 10S-buf-lng-sol-obs, ex-Mt. Gibbs)--sold to L&N (1948) reconfigured to 24 seat club 14 seat lounge #3050 Alabama Club (1954) sold to private ownership (when??) to Heart of Dixie RR Museum (199?)

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. Heart of Dixie page on L&N #3050 Alabama Club: http://www.hodrrm.org/body.cfm?id=963

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Those two would actually be three... PULL Mt. Tom, which became L&N 364 named Ohio River and later sold to the Morristown & Eastern, Mt. Hoffman, which became L&N 365 which was later converted to a [url]Track Geometry car[/url], and Mt. Thielsen, which became L&N 375 and later [url]CNW 401 [3rd][/url] which was named Chcago late in service on the CNW and now resides in Corpus Christi, Tx.

Never have been able to understand Seaboard System's choice to sell of the L&N business cars, which were superior in accommodations and looks to that of SCL cars...

PULL Mt. Peale was rebuilt by C&EI to business car 354 and later sold (after the split between MoPac and L&N).

119. Mt. Tom (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-buf-lng-obs, L&N)--sold to L&N (1948) rebuilt to business car #364 (1952??) sold to private owner (1972) to 2nd private owner (1982) and named Ohio River (1983) to M&E #2001 (#800228) (when??), recently listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar



This car hadn't been mentioned yet in this long-running thread, so...

362. Mt. Hoffman (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-buf-lng-obs, L&N)--sold to L&N (1948) rebuilt to business car #365 (1950??) rebuilt to track geometry car (when??) to SBD #972354 (#TGC-1) sold to Western New York & Pennsylvania (when??), currently stored at shops in Olean, NY (still has SBD reporting marks)

Pictures of SBD #972354: http://rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=477406



281. Mt. Thielsen (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-buf-lng-obs, L&N)--sold to L&N (1948) rebuilt to business car #375 (1949??) sold to C&NW #401 (3rd) (1982) and named Chicago (1985??) to UP (1995) sold to Fleming Company (1998) sold to Webb Family (when??) and used on Kansas & Oklahoma and South Kansas & Oklahoma railroads (both Watco lines) sold to private ownership and moved to Corpus Christi, TX (when??).



327. Mt. Peale (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-buf-lng-obs)--sold to C&EI (1948) WFL date not listed, rebuilt to business car #354 (when??) sold to private ownership (when??) and named Jo-Vi-La (#800147)

I have not been able to find any recent info on this car--does anybody know the current status/location? Thanks in advance!

Other Survivors From Lot #4998:

157. Dinwiddie County (Lot #4998, Plan #3521F, 1926/34, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, ex-Dinwiddie, nee-Mt. Angeles, N&W)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Old Dominion Chapter NRHS (1965)

46. Mt. Broderick (Lot #4998, Plan #3521L, 1926/39, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, L&N)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Kentucky RY Museum (1960)

361. Alabama (Lot #4998, Plan #3521J, 1926/38, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, ex-Mt. Gibbs, L&N)--sold to L&N (1948) reconfigured to 24 seat club 14 seat lounge #3050 Alabama Club (1954) sold to private ownership (when??) to Heart of Dixie RR Museum (199?)

201. Mt. Hillers (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-buf-lng-obs)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Georgia & Florida (1955) to Merrimack Valley RR (when??) and renamed Granite State (Concord, NH)

307. Kentucky (Lot #4998, Plan #3521J, 1926/38, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, ex-Mt. Langford, L&N)--sold to L&N (1948) reconfigured to 24 seat club 14 seat lounge #3051 Kentucky Club (1954) sold to Royal American Shows #51 (1960) sold to Florida RR Museum (when??) sold to Kentucky RY Museum (when??)

158. Norfolk County (Lot #4998, Plan #3521G, 1926/37, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, ex-Mt. Wood, N&W)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Chapman S. Root-Root Company (1968) sold to Bill Savage (when??) sold to Al Nippert (when??) sold to Indiana RY Museum (French Lick) (when??)

"Where Are They Now" Cars From Lot #4998:

This car was listed recently as one of several cars sold to Jack Ferris for which I do not have current information on:

358. Nansemond County (Lot #4998, Plan #3521F, 1926/34, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, ex-Nansemond, nee-Mt. Slyen, N&W)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Midwest Steel (1964) sold to Jack Ferris-Private RR Cars, Inc. (10/15/1965??)--does anybody know the current status/location of this car? Thanks in advance!

Also, seeing as how both the #3050 Alabama Club and the #3051 Kentucky Club are still extant, does the #3052 also still exist?

Tennessee (Lot #4998, Plan #3521J, 1926/38, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, ex-Mt. Leidy, L&N)--sold to L&N (1948) reconfigured to 24 seat club 14 seat lounge #3052 Tennessee Club (1954)

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

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3. Clover Colony (Lot #4574, Plan #4036I, 1920/40, 8S-5DB, ex-Bernadotte)--sold to SP (1948) to #8351 (1957) to Jack Ferris (1964??) to High Iron Co. (1968) to Micky Wolfson (1972**) moved to Gold Coast RR Museum (1986) to Pete Clausen (1993) to TVRM (1993)

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Clover was sold by HICO about 1973, to two former HICO people, Rudy Morgenfruh and Larry Haines. They applied roller bearings and C-S tightlock couplers to the car, and by 1974, were running it in conjunction with other PVs in the northeast-- George Pins's PRR 120 and Shenandoah (a B&O/C&O 10-6), and Larry Battley's "Lionel Ives" (heavyweight business car) and NY-RRE "Eugene Field" (SL-SF 14-4). It was the start of AAPRCO, which was founded by Pins and Morgenfruh and Haines and some others, about 1973-74. There were more far-ranging trips throughout the 70s and early 80s for Clover and some of those other cars.

Morgenfruh and Haines sold the car in the early-mid 80s to Wolfson and he subsequently moved the car to a home base at GCRM (Wolfson was/is a Miami-based "patron of the arts").

Rudy Morgenfruh relocated from Long Island, NY to California in the late 80s and I recall he became active at a railway museum out there (forget which one).

Howard P.

This car is at the Evansville (IN) Museum Transporation Center, on display with an L&N diner and a Milwaukee Road 0-6-0. I believe the car is in good repair and has been at the museum since 1966.

http://www.emuseum.org/transportation-center

Thanks, Howard, for the info on the Clover Colony!

3. Clover Colony (Lot #4574, Plan #4036I, 1920/40, 8S-5DB, ex-Bernadotte)--sold to SP (1948) to #8351 (1957) sold to Jack Ferris-Private RR Cars, Inc. (1964??) sold to High Iron Co. (1968) sold to Rudy Morgenfruh and Larry Haines (1973) sold to Micky Wolfson and moved to Gold Coast RR Museum (1986??) sold to Pete Clausen (1993) sold to TVRM (1993)

Thanks, David, for the info on the Tennessee Club!

363. Tennessee (Lot #4998, Plan #3521J, 1926/38, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, ex-Mt. Leidy, L&N)--sold to L&N (1948) reconfigured to 24 seat club 14 seat lounge #3052 Tennessee Club (1954) sold to Evansville Museum Transportation Center (1966)

A mystery car has been identified, and another survivor has been added to the list:

A Former Mystery Car:

Back on pages #10 and #14:


Well, with the other 3 Plan #2521 cars acquired by B&O accounted for, I think it is safe to say that the car in Hamburg is the...

241. Magdala (Lot #3944, Plan #2521E, 1911, 10S-lng-obs)--sold to B&O #7401 (1948) to MofW #X-4301 (1950) sold to unknown party and stored in Hamburg, PA (when??)

August 20th, 2005: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=558599 (Stephen Bradley photo)

The other 3 cars are:

234. Musina (Lot #4049, Plan #2521, 1912, 10S-lng-obs, Overland Limited)--sold to B&O #7403 (1948) to MofW #X-4303 (1950) sold to Whitewater Valley RR (Connersville, IN) (when??)

June 3rd, 1972: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1244696 (Marty Bernard photo)

I have not been able to locate any recent photos of the Musina, the only lead being that David Farlow commented on the page for Marty's photo that Whitewater Valley had acquired the car and was planning to move it to Connersville; that was in 2010.

235. Courtier (Lot #4353, Plan #2521B, 1915, 10S-lng-obs)--sold to B&O #7400 (1948) to MofW #X-4300 (1950) renumbered to #940704 (when??) to Chessie System sold to WMSR (when??)

July 1st, 2010: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2125752 (Curt Beal photo)

344. Muphrid (Lot #3944, Plan #2521E, 1912, 10S-lng-obs)--sold to B&O #7402 (1948) to MofW #X-4302 (1950) sold to private ownership (when??) sold to RY Museum of Greater Cincinnati (1995)

December 14th, 2013: https://www.flickr.com/photos/n8myc/11471506993 (Bob McGilvray, Jr. photo)

Another Survivor:

Bage on page #13, these 2 cars came up in the discussion, but at the time, neither was identified as being extant:



As listed on David Coscia's website, the 1st car is indeed still around:

364. Forestport (Lot #3881, Plan #2410, 1911, 12S-1DR, NYC)--sold to SSW (1948) to MofW #96209 (1954) sold to Cotton Belt RHS-Arkansas RR Museum (Pine Bluff) (when??)

April 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3015657 (Allan Williams, Jr. photo)

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website: http://passcarphotos.info/

4. David Coscia's list of surviving SP equipment: http://webpages.charter.net/altalair/sp_equipment.html

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I am in the process of filling in the blanks for the conversions/dispositions of Pullman sleepers and parlors acquired by Northern Pacific.

Now, besides 2 business cars, the Plan #3973A Chief-series, the Palm Point, and the Plan #4084 Poplar-series sleepers, NP acquired numerous parlors and sleepers which were converted to a variety of types, including coaches, baggage cars, etc. The NP was unique in the acquisition of several 14 section tourist cars, which were also later converted to coaches. Several of the cars acquired by NP are extant, and I'm wondering if there are additional survivors which have not been mentioned yet in this thread. Knowing the numbers for all the cars converted by NP would be helpful in finding additional survivors. Also, are there any additional cars that were acquired by NP, but which are not listed below? Thanks in advance!

#6xx-Series Coaches:

I'm also looking for info regarding the seating capacity* of these coaches, plus any info regarding cars that were sold, scrapped, or transferred to MofW.

*The Minnesota Transportation Museum website's page for #631/#1102 lists 86 seats. Was the seating capacity for all the #6xx-series cars uniform, or were there several different variations? Thanks in advance!

Vestalia (Lot #4493, Plan #2417D, 1917, 1DR-buf-plr [24])--sold to NP #600 (1941)

Amina (Lot #4265, Plan #2417B, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24], NYC)--sold to NP #601 (1941)

Borgia (Lot #4265, Plan #2417B, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24], NYC)--sold to NP #602 (1941)

Tionesta (Lot #4239, Plan #2417A, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24], PRR)--sold to NP #603 (1941)

Matilda (Lot #4108, Plan #2417, 1913, 1DR-buf-plr [24], NYC)--sold to NP #604 (1941)

Nadine (Lot #4108, Plan #2417, 1913, 1DR-buf-plr [24], NYC)--sold to NP #605 (1941)

Old Ferry (Lot #3863, Plan #2417, 1910, 1DR-buf-plr [24], ex-Pioneer, PRR)--sold to NP #606 (1941)

Vandalia (Lot #4248, Plan #2416A, 1914, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #607 (1941)

Witmer (Lot #4248, Plan #2416A, 1914, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #608 (1941) to Ontario Northland #1621 (1959)

Allsworth (Lot #3804, Plan #2416, 1910, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #609 (1941)

Cliffwood (Lot #4107, Plan #2416, 1913, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #610 (1941)

Delora (Lot #4265, Plan #2417B, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24], NYC)--sold* to NP #611 (1941)

*Listed by Madden as sold to NYC in 1941.

Kinzer (Lot #4107, Plan #2416, 1913, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #612 (1941)

Bridgeville (Lot #3804, Plan #2416, 1910, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold* to NP #613 (1941)

*Listed by Madden as sold to NYC in 1941.

Cora (Lot #4264, Plan #2416A, 1914, 1DR-plr [26])--sold to NP #614 (1941)

Armista (Lot #3950, Plan #2416, 1912, 1DR-plr [26], NYC)--sold to NP #615 (1941)

Ingleby (Lot #3986, Plan #2416, 1912, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #616 (1941)

Vivita (Lot #3902, Plan #2416, 1911, 1DR-plr [26], NYC)--sold to NP #617 (1941)

Sevena (Lot #4264, Plan #2416A, 1914, 1DR-plr [26])--sold to NP #618 (1941)

Clymer (Lot #4248, Plan #2416A, 1914, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #619 (1941) to Ontario Northland #1625 (195?)

Ophelia (Lot #4493, Plan #2417F, 1917/32, 1DR-buf-diner [10]-plr [16])--sold to NP #620 (1941)

337. Collingswood (Lot #3804, Plan #2416, 1910, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #621 (1941) to Ontario Northland #1622 (1959)

338. Daylesford (Lot #3804, Plan #2416, 1910, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #622 (1941) to Ontario Northland #1623 (1959)

Fallsington (Lot #4107, Plan #2416, 1913, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #623 (1941)

Glenlyon (Lot #3986, Plan #2416, 1912, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #624 (1941)

Burrell (Lot #4239, Plan #2417A, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24], PRR)--sold to NP #625 (1941)

Natrona (Lot #3863, Plan #2417, 1910, 1DR-buf-plr [24], PRR)--sold to NP #626 (1941)

265. Dunlap (Lot #3862, Plan #2418, 1910, 1DR-plr [28], PRR)--sold to NP #627 (1941) to Lake Whatcom RY (1968)

Zadora (Lot #4265, Plan #2417B, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24], B&M)--sold to NP #628 (1941)

Swissvale (Lot #4239, Plan #2417F, 1914/32, 1DR-buf-diner [10]-plr [16], PRR)--sold to NP #629 (1941)

336. Bamford (Lot #4239, Plan #2417A, 1914/32/37, 1DR-buf-plr [24], PRR)--sold to NP #630 (1941) to Ontario Northland #1620 (1959)

259. Reba (Lot #4265, Plan #2417B, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24], B&M)--sold* to NP #631 (1941) rebuilt to RPO (15')-baggage express-20 seat coach #1102 (1947) rebuilt to CTC instruction car #1931 (1965) to BN and stored (1970) sold to Minnesota Transportation Museum (1976) restored as #1102 (1978)

*Listed by Madden as sold to NYC in 1941.

Conflict:

Wayner lists two cars as having been converted to #632. Was there a first #632 which was either renumbered or retired before the second #632 was converted, or is this an error in the records? Thanks in advance!

Gambier (Lot #4239, Plan #2417F, 1914/32, 1DR-buf-diner [10]-plr [16], PRR)--sold to NP #632 (1941)

Tourist #2001 (Lot #4503, Plan #2410F, 1917/35, 13S, ex-Castleford)--sold to NP #632 (1947)

264. Ocean City (Lot #4250, Plan #2417F, 1914/32, 1DR-buf-diner [10]-plr [16], PRR)--sold to NP #633 (1941) to White Sulphur Springs & Yellowstone Park RY (when??)

266. Clearview (Lot #3986, Plan #2416, 1912, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #634 (1941) to Lake Whatcom RY (1968)

Laverock (Lot #3986, Plan #2416, 1912, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #635 (1941)

Yvette (Lot #4051, Plan #2668, 1912, 1DR-plr [30], LV)--sold to NP #636 (1941)

Tourist Cars, Later Converted to #13xx-Series Coaches:

These 8 Plan #4061 cars (assigned in 1947) were acquired by NP at the 12/31/1948 divestiture, and were leased to Pullman until March 1953, after which all were converted to coaches #1342-#1349. There were 4 additional Plan #4061 cars that were also assigned to NP in 1947, but were not acquired. These cars are also listed for clarity.

Tourist #3140 (Lot #4318, Plan #4061A, 1915/41, 14S, ex-Phaeton)--sold to NP (1948) to #1342 (1953)

Tourist #3121 (Lot #4105, Plan #4061A, 1913/40/41, 14S, ex-Tourist #2331, nee-Forquer, Challenger)--sold to NP (1948) to #1343 (1953)

Tourist #3130 (Lot #4271, Plan #4061A, 1914/40/41, 14S, ex-Tourist #2340, nee-Kneeland, NYC/Challenger)--sold to NP (1948) to #1344 (1953)

Tourist #3135 (Lot #4192, Plan #4061A, 1913/40/41, 14S, ex-Tourist #2345, exx-Longmont, nee-Lorelei)--sold to NP (1948) to #1345 (1953)

Tourist #3136 (Lot #4297, Plan #4061A, 1914/40/41, 14S, ex-Tourist #2346, nee-Fusan, Challenger)--sold to NP (1948) to #1346 (1953)

Tourist #3095 (Lot #4515, Plan #4061B, 1917/39/40, 14S, ex-Tourist #2308, nee-Rillton, PRR/Challenger)--sold to NP (1948) to #1347 (1953)

Tourist #3096 (Lot #4591, Plan #4061B, 1920/39/40, 14S, ex-Tourist #2311, nee-Volgara, Challenger)--sold to NP (1948) to #1348 (1953)

Tourist #3138 (Lot #4614, Plan #4061B, 1921/41, 14S, ex-Maximus)--sold to NP (1948) to #1349 (1953)

Tourist Cars Not Acquired by NP:

Tourist #3094 (Lot #4574, Plan #4061B, 1920/36/40, 14S, ex-Tourist #2153, nee-Ipsus, Challenger)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to SOU (1953)

Tourist #3128 (Lot #4234, Plan #4061A, 1913/40/41, 14S, ex-Tourist #2338, nee-Flagler)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Purdy Company (1960)

Tourist #3129 (Lot #4179, Plan #4061A, 1913/40/41, 14S, ex-Tourist #2339, nee-Guantanamo, Challenger)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold for scrap (1954)

Tourist #3137 (Lot #4215, Plan #4061A, 1913/40/41, 14S, ex-Tourist #2347, nee-Remnoy)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to AT&SF MofW #196468 (1953)

#14xx-Series Baggage-Dormitories:

Christiana (Lot #3862, Plan #2418, 1910, 1DR-plr [28], PRR)--sold to NP #1493 (1941)

Enola (Lot #3862, Plan #2418, 1910, 1DR-plr [28], PRR)--sold to NP #1494 (1941)

Antiope (Lot #4265, Plan #2417B, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24], NYC, ex-Althea)--sold to NP #1495 (1941)

Arletta (Lot #4265, Plan #2417B, 1914, 1DR-buf-plr [24], NYC)--sold to NP #1496 (1941)

Huberta (Lot #4493, Plan #2417D, 1917, 1DR-buf-plr [24])--sold* to NP #1497 (1941)

*Madden lists this car as sold to NYC in 1941.

360. Denholm (Lot #3863, Plan #2417, 1910, 1DR-buf-plr [24], PRR)--sold to NP #1498 (1941) to private ownership-Chelatchie Prairie RR (when??)

Duncannon (Lot #4107, Plan #2416, 1913, 1DR-plr [26], PRR)--sold to NP #1499 (1941)

Parlors:

NP acquired 2 parlors on 12/31/1945 which received #17xx-series numbers:

Columbian (Lot #6385, Plan #4002B, 1930, 1DR-sol-plr [24], B&O)--sold to NP #1733 (1945)

Colonial (Lot #6385, Plan #4002B, 1930, 1DR-sol-plr [24], B&O)--sold to NP #1734 (1945)

Miscellaneous Cars:

According to Wayner, when most of these cars were converted, the tourist car numbers were retained.

Tourist #1212 (Lot #4525, Plan #2410F, 1917/41, 13S, ex-Ladelle)--sold to NP coach #1371 (1947)

Tourist #1249 (Lot #4591, Plan #2410F, 1920/41, 13S, ex-Strabane)--sold to NP coach #1249 (1947)

Tourist #1250 (Lot #4625, Plan #2410F, 1922/41, 13S, ex-Eylau)--sold to NP coach #1250 (1947)

Tourist #1291 (Lot #4525, Plan #2410F, 1917/41, 13S, ex-Holquist)--sold to NP café-coach #1291 (1947)

Tourist #1430 (Lot #4565, Plan #2410F, 1920/42, 13S, ex-Potoka)--sold to NP baggage-RPO #1430 (1947)

Tourist #1508 (Lot #4565, Plan #2410F, 1920/40, 13S, ex-Luzon)--sold to NP baggage #1508 (1947)

Tourist #1511 (Lot #4367, Plan #2410E, 1916/40, 13S, ex-Bicknell, PRR)--sold to NP baggage #1511 (1947)

Tourist #1684 (Lot #4612, Plan #2410F, 1921/41, 13S, ex-Bement)--sold to NP baggage #1684 (1947)

Tourist #1694 (Lot #3881, Plan #2410, 1911/41, 13S, ex-Alburgh, NYC)--sold to NP baggage #1694 (1948)

Tourist #1851 (Lot #4192, Plan #2410A, 1913/41, 13S, ex-Wellington)--sold to NP express reefer #1851 (1947)

Tourist #1872 (Lot #4614, Plan #2410F, 1921/41, 13S, ex-Thebes)--sold to NP express reefer #1872 (1947)

Unknown Dispositions:

Does anybody have info regarding if these cars were converted, or retired? Thanks in advance!

Tourist #1146 (Lot #4497, Plan #2410F, 1917/46, 13S, ex-Fieldsboro, PRR)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #1187 (Lot #4525, Plan #2410F, 1917/41, 13S, ex-Primate)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #1392 (Lot #3893, Plan #2410, 1911/42, 13S, ex-Dumont, NYC)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #1689 (Lot #4318, Plan #2410B, 1915/41, 13S, ex-Egeria)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #1876 (Lot #4540, Plan #2410F, 1918/41, 13S, ex-Holyoke)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #1909 (Lot #4590, Plan #2410F, 1920/41, 13S, ex-Portmore)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #1960 (Lot #4613, Plan #2410F, 1921/41, 13S, ex-Jove)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #2041 (Lot #4515, Plan #2410F, 1917/35, 13S, ex-Perryman, PRR)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #2287 (Lot #4297, Plan #2410B, 1914/39, 13S, ex-Granliden)--sold to NP (1948)

Tourist #2288 (Lot #4540, Plan #2410F, 1918/39, 13S, ex-Mecca)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #2389 (Lot #4614, Plan #2410F, 1921/42, 13S, ex-Solon)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #2441 (Lot #4611, Plan #2410F, 1921/42, 13S, ex-Nampa)--sold to NP (1948)

Tourist #2546 (Lot #4503, Plan #2410F, 1917/43, 13S, ex-Orinoco)--sold to NP (1947)

Tourist #4161 (Lot #4484, Plan #2412F, 1917/35, 16S, ex-Oxnard, SP)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold* to NP (1953)

*Madden lists this car as sold to WP, whereas Wayner lists this car as sold to NP.

Scrapped Cars:

The only car listed by Wayner as sold to NP and then scrapped is:

Tourist #1101 (Lot #4515, Plan #2410F, 1917/41, 13S, ex-Sylmar, PRR)--sold to NP and scrapped (1948)

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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In looking through Wayner's "Complete Roster", I noticed that Jack Ferris also acquired:

Poplar Plains (Lot #4624, Plan #4060, 1921/37, 6S-6DB, ex-Holmes)--sold to NYC (CCC&StL) #11046 (1948) returned to Pullman (1958) sold to Kaplan* (1961) sold to Jack Ferris* (1965)

*Madden lists the sale to Kaplan, Wayner lists the sale to Jack Ferris.

Does anybody know if this car is still extant?

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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Ok, here's one for the powers to be here to help on.

You have already discussed NS-31, Former Southern R-1 and so on.

So here is another one for you/group.

What's the back ground of ATSF Heavyweight Office Car 55. This was turned into Conrail 21 (Track Geometry Car) in the 1980's and then became NS-36 (Track Geometry Car) post merger 1999 to present. Otherwise I'm looking for what the car was before ATSF Office Car 55, was it a sleeper? Was it built as an Office Car? What was it built as in 1924. Rumor has it this car was built in 1924 by Pullman. Ok you guys have a way with the details, Show me what you know! :o)

Oh also don't go by the window band, I know it's been changed at least twice since 1999 under Norfolk Southern.

Supporting Images:

ATSF 55 (Office Car)


Conrail 21 (Track Geometry Car)


Norfolk Southern 36 (Track Geometry Car)

This is information I have gleaned from several sources. Originally built as USRA 82 the car was sold to the Santa Fe after WWI, becoming ATSF 32. At some point the car was modernized and was renumbered ATSF 55. To CR 21 and then to NS 36. I do not know the dates on the renumberings nor the sale by ATSF to CR.

Sir You are crazy good and crazy fast on replying!

Thanks for clearing up even more history behind the current NS-36

USRA 82 was assigned to one of the USRA managers who was the President of the Santa Fe. The Pullman builder's photos of ATSF #30 and USRA #82 appear to be nearly identical. The Pullman Lot (order) number on these photos are the same -- Lot 4530. This would indicate that they were ordered together and the delivery of the second one coincided with the USRA administration. Both of these are very similar to the later Santa Fe 30-series business cars.

The builder's photos are reproduced in the Santa Fe Modlers' book about the ATSF business cars.

The Santa Fe Modelers' book about the business cars does not list the Pullman floor numbers of the cars. If it did, we could confirm that that they were done to the same basic design.

Brian,

Thank you too for helping fill in the early history of what is now Norfolk Southern 36. Trying to put together as much as I can on this car when it comes to documented History, drawings and images of it's "time-line".

USRA-82 (No Image or drawing yet)
ATSF-32 (No Image or drawing yet)
ATSF-55 (Check)
Conrail-21 (Check)
NS-36 (Check)

Thanks again for all the help up to this point.

Given the lot number (4530)the IRM Pullman can probably copy the specification sheets for the order. From that a floor plan drawing can probably be determined -- and obtained.

For Santa Fe photos and information, check out the original (oversize and probably hard-to-find original Shine and Ellington publication on the ATSF business cars) or the smaller format book published by the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society (this is still in print).